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RE: Would Boise join the WAC?
Shouldn't this thread be on WAC expansion board? In a nutshell Boise State would never join the WAC. They are full of themselves and are not going to play in a conference with a bunch of D2 moveups and a junior college (even though ironically they are a junior college move up too with a crappy academic rating). Aggie fans that think that Commissioner Hurd hasn't talked to existing D1 schools are delusional. He has talked to everything that moves. NMSU fans that think Mario Moccia and the present admin are not working on moving to another conference are also delusional. Aggie fans whining about the WAC not liking us are also delusional. Why would the WAC be in love with us? NMSU has made it clear we want out. Its not a secret and the WAC isn't going to be promoting NMSU as its flagship school because NMSU wants out. Period. Hurd as a person loves NMSU. He told me personally face to face. I have talked to the man on numerous occasions. But NMSU fans hate the WAC in general and want out and he knows that. It has been a factor for our attendance drops over the years since teams like Nevada, Utah State, etc. left to the MWC and left us with Idaho. I'm glad GCU has promoted the crap out of our "rivalry" with NMSU cause honestly if it wasn't for GCU the WAC as a conference would be boring as hell. So to those people that whine about ridiculous scenarios, No D1 school is ever going to join the WAC. I'm not even sure any more D2 schools are on the horizon. Another fact: NMSU cannot afford to join any conference. Real case scenario is we hope and pray Hurd can convince some more D2 schools to continue to move up so the WAC doesn't go away. NMSU fans need to enjoy the ride beating up on the D2 moveups, beat our real rivals, UNM and Utep, and try to win a couple of games in the NCAA tournament. NMSU fans need to attend games, buy season tickets, and make donations and stop whining about everything. Maybe the dream will someday finally come true that we join the MWC or Conf USA.
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RE: Would Boise join the WAC?
It really is a dumb thread... and it scares me to think that's why I'm responding with a straight face.

The true main point here is to remember when Gonzaga threatened to move to the Mountain West. The Zags got their concession and stayed. That's the way to bet here.

I go back to the Boise board (24/7) now and then... even though a fair number of the people who "grew up" with the conference jumping days are now semi-retired. That was a good place for perspective on these matters, and sometimes still is. As it is, I think the growing consensus I'm seeing is there's no reason to leave. Their dream scenario is a "best of the rest" conference with eastern and western divisions that keep the meaningful schools and discard, say, San Jose State and the like. But I don't see many smart people believing that's the way to bet.
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RE: Would Boise join the WAC?
So, the premise of this thread was IF Boise were to leave the MWC. I personally put that likelihood at close to zero. That said, IF they were to leave the MWC for the AAC (Or Independence), where would they park their OLY Sports? I just don't see going any further east makes ANY sense for them from a cost standpoint.

The WAC really isn't all that attractive, the WCC is not really an option due to Boise being a) public and b) not as prestigious, from an academic point of view. The BW is a California bus league and really is no better than the WAC. The Big Sky? Please. Summit? Possibly, but again, I just don't see why they would send their OLY sports East.

That said, I will let it be if people think this is a dumb thread. That's fine with me.

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Again, Boise State would never "park anything in the WAC. I see where you are coming from Indy but its never going to happen. Sorry but the only way the WAC is going to expand is to convince D2 schools to move up. Boise State will never in a million years "park" their OLY sports or anything else with the WAC.
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(01-21-2020 10:34 AM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  Shouldn't this thread be on WAC expansion board? In a nutshell Boise State would never join the WAC. They are full of themselves and are not going to play in a conference with a bunch of D2 moveups and a junior college (even though ironically they are a junior college move up too with a crappy academic rating). Aggie fans that think that Commissioner Hurd hasn't talked to existing D1 schools are delusional. He has talked to everything that moves. NMSU fans that think Mario Moccia and the present admin are not working on moving to another conference are also delusional. Aggie fans whining about the WAC not liking us are also delusional. Why would the WAC be in love with us? NMSU has made it clear we want out. Its not a secret and the WAC isn't going to be promoting NMSU as its flagship school because NMSU wants out. Period. Hurd as a person loves NMSU. He told me personally face to face. I have talked to the man on numerous occasions. But NMSU fans hate the WAC in general and want out and he knows that. It has been a factor for our attendance drops over the years since teams like Nevada, Utah State, etc. left to the MWC and left us with Idaho. I'm glad GCU has promoted the crap out of our "rivalry" with NMSU cause honestly if it wasn't for GCU the WAC as a conference would be boring as hell. So to those people that whine about ridiculous scenarios, No D1 school is ever going to join the WAC. I'm not even sure any more D2 schools are on the horizon. Another fact: NMSU cannot afford to join any conference. Real case scenario is we hope and pray Hurd can convince some more D2 schools to continue to move up so the WAC doesn't go away. NMSU fans need to enjoy the ride beating up on the D2 moveups, beat our real rivals, UNM and Utep, and try to win a couple of games in the NCAA tournament. NMSU fans need to attend games, buy season tickets, and make donations and stop whining about everything. Maybe the dream will someday finally come true that we join the MWC or Conf USA.

Dancing- you mentioned the CUSA as a potential option. Wouldn't UTEP fight to block that due to your proximity? You’re in the footprint otherwise. I follow Middle Tennessee in football (undergrad alma mater), and Memphis blocked the Raiders from joining until the Tigers were off to the AAC with the rest of the CUSA upper crust.
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(01-21-2020 06:12 PM)Country_Wisdom_359 Wrote:  
(01-21-2020 10:34 AM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  Shouldn't this thread be on WAC expansion board? In a nutshell Boise State would never join the WAC. They are full of themselves and are not going to play in a conference with a bunch of D2 moveups and a junior college (even though ironically they are a junior college move up too with a crappy academic rating). Aggie fans that think that Commissioner Hurd hasn't talked to existing D1 schools are delusional. He has talked to everything that moves. NMSU fans that think Mario Moccia and the present admin are not working on moving to another conference are also delusional. Aggie fans whining about the WAC not liking us are also delusional. Why would the WAC be in love with us? NMSU has made it clear we want out. Its not a secret and the WAC isn't going to be promoting NMSU as its flagship school because NMSU wants out. Period. Hurd as a person loves NMSU. He told me personally face to face. I have talked to the man on numerous occasions. But NMSU fans hate the WAC in general and want out and he knows that. It has been a factor for our attendance drops over the years since teams like Nevada, Utah State, etc. left to the MWC and left us with Idaho. I'm glad GCU has promoted the crap out of our "rivalry" with NMSU cause honestly if it wasn't for GCU the WAC as a conference would be boring as hell. So to those people that whine about ridiculous scenarios, No D1 school is ever going to join the WAC. I'm not even sure any more D2 schools are on the horizon. Another fact: NMSU cannot afford to join any conference. Real case scenario is we hope and pray Hurd can convince some more D2 schools to continue to move up so the WAC doesn't go away. NMSU fans need to enjoy the ride beating up on the D2 moveups, beat our real rivals, UNM and Utep, and try to win a couple of games in the NCAA tournament. NMSU fans need to attend games, buy season tickets, and make donations and stop whining about everything. Maybe the dream will someday finally come true that we join the MWC or Conf USA.

Dancing- you mentioned the CUSA as a potential option. Wouldn't UTEP fight to block that due to your proximity? You’re in the footprint otherwise. I follow Middle Tennessee in football (undergrad alma mater), and Memphis blocked the Raiders from joining until the Tigers were off to the AAC with the rest of the CUSA upper crust.

From what I know UTEP has already blocked previous bids to get into CUSA. With how bad UTEP is right now CUSA might want to replace them with us.
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You are correct CW359. UNM and Utep have been behind the scenes for decades trying to get us to eliminate our football program and trying to relegate our teams to a tier below them even though their fan bases as a whole love the over 100 year rivalry with us. Uteps previous president Diana Natalicio publicly and privately said she would never allow Utep to be in the same conference as NMSU, even though as an academic institution we are ranked much higher than Utep. UNM and its politicians have given hundreds and millions of NM tax payer money to their athletic dept for facilities and paying off coaches they fire and given NMSU pretty much nothing in comparison. In spite of both schools financial superiority it hasn't translated on the field. NMSU has dominated Utep in all sports and there is complete parity over the years as far as success vs. the crooked disgusting sow school up north.
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(01-18-2020 03:32 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  No way BYU joins the WAC. That ship has sailed.

DoubleRSU is correct. BYU is in a conference with other religious schools that doesn't play on Sunday. They get to act like a big fish in a little pond. I don't think BYU would leave the WCC unless the mythical P5 invite happens (something I have serious doubts about BYU getting).

I think it's a big (and very big) IF Boise State goes independent. In all likelihood BSU and the MWC will kiss and make up sometime in the near future. I don't think the pipe dreams of BSU joining the AAC in a football only capacity will come to fruition. Too many top teams in the AAC are out the door the moment any openings come up in the Big XII and I don't think BSU wants to be in a gutted AAC.
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Quote:The Broncos have filed a lawsuit against the conference after the MW announced earlier this month a new television deal worth $270 million over six seasons. As part of the deal, Boise State would get an annual $1.8 million bonus payment over the revenue given to the rest of the full members in the conference.

That bonus is a result of Boise State's re-entry agreement signed with the MW on Dec. 31, 2012 and an amendment made in November 2016 after the Broncos decided not to leave the conference for the Big East. That original contract stated Boise State's home football games would be negotiated separate from the rest of the MW games. There was no end date listed on that contract regarding Boise State's home games being sold separate.

"MWC will ensure that the Boise State home football games are sold as a separate package," the 2012 contract read. "Boise State and MWC must mutually agree to whom such Boise State home football game rights are licensed and to the material terms of such license (provided that Boise State agrees in advance that CBS/CSTV may remain the prime licensee of the conference for television rights and the agreement for the sale of the Boise State home football games may take the form of a sub-license from CBS/CSTV in which case Boise State and the MWC must mutually agree to who sub-licensee is and the material terms of the sub-license."

Boise State is arguing the MW breached their original contract and “violated, nullified and significantly impaired Boise’s State’s rights” by signing the six-year deal without the Broncos’ approval and saying it would end the $1.8 million bonus after the new agreement ends. That $1.8 million bonus was settled upon on Nov. 30, 2016 when the MW scrapped its national television bonus revenue system, which was disproportionately helping programs in the Mountain Division.

The MW and Boise State released a statement Wednesday afternoon saying they are in discussions to resolve their conflict without litigation.

"Last week Boise State filed a complaint regarding media right against the Mountain West Conference, however, that action alone does not formally begin a lawsuit," the statement read. "The University and the Mountain West are currently in discussions in hopes of bringing this matter to a resolution without litigation."

Under the new television deal signed earlier this month, which begins July 1, 2020, Boise State's home games will air on Fox rather than ESPN and its road games on CBS Sports Network. The Broncos will maintain their $1.8 million bonus for the length of the contract, which runs through the 2025-26 athletic season. But commissioner Craig Thompson said during a conference call to announce the deal Boise State's home games wouldn't be sold separately in any future deals, meaning the bonus revenue would cease.

"This will be arguably the last contract we will negotiate Boise State separately, but their membership agreement when we named them the Mountain West Conference years ago was predicated on us negotiating their home games separately," Thompson said early in the teleconference.

Later on, he was more definitive, adding the membership had discussed the Boise State situation: "That is the whole membership agreement was discussed in December with the board of directors, and as we move forward, that is the anticipation, that everybody's membership agreements would get more germane and equal, if you will. But this will be the last Boise State separate negotiation for television rights."

Boise State disagreed, releasing a statement last Friday saying: “Boise State’s decision to join the conference was predicated on a number of negotiated provisions, including the right to separately negotiate material terms of media rights relating to our home games. This is stated in our conference agreement and cannot be changed by any vote of the membership or conflicting agreement. We will not support any change to this provision and are in the process of weighing our options to move forward.”

In the lawsuit, Boise State writes: "Although the MWC is still paying the $1.8 million bonus explicitly required by this contract, it inexplicably and improperly elected to cease such payments in six years. By electing to do so, again without Boise State's consent, and despite the fact the Re-Entry Agreement as amended by the Re-Entry Agreement Amendment does not have a termination date, the MWC anticipatorily repudiated one of the material obligations it owes to Boise State under that contract."

Boise State also wrote it anticipated to not only keep the extra $1.8 million annually but get a larger bonus with the new increased deal.

"Consistent with the Re-Entry Agreement as amended by the Re-Entry Agreement Amendment, the spirit of that agreement, Boise State's importance to Fox and the increase in revenue its football games generated for the MWC, (Boise State president Marlene) Tromp notified Mr. Thompson during their December 2019 meeting that not only did Boise State expect to retain the $1.8 million guaranteed bonus set forth in the Re-Entry Agreement Amendment, but to also gain an additional, proportionate share of the increased revenue from the new television deal with Fox," Boise State wrote.

Boise State is requesting a jury trial. Its lawsuit alleges the Broncos have suffered damages as a result of the MW's actions. No specific amount of damages were provided in the suit. Boise State's prayer for relief includes: "Awarding all economic and non-economic damages sustained by Boise State as a result of the defendants' conduct in an amount to be determined at trial."

The Mountain West Conference released the following statement after the lawsuit was filed:

Last week Boise State filed a complaint regarding media rights against the Mountain West Conference, however, that action alone does not formally begin a lawsuit. The University and the Mountain West are currently in discussions in hopes of bringing this matter to a resolution without litigation.

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It turns out BSU wanted 3.5 times more than the rest of the MW teams. Or 6.3 mil bonus each year of the 6 year deal plus any new negotiated contract after that forever.
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Boise State is ridiculous.
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(01-22-2020 08:18 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  Boise State is ridiculous.

The Boise brand hasn’t been as relevant since Kellen graduated. Peterson leaving for Washington pretty much ended the era. Those were glory days that’ll be hard to repeat any time soon.

Kind of like Butler in basketball. The core of players developed by Stevens left shortly after he did. We won’t see them in the championship game any time soon. Much less twice in a row. You don’t see Butler demanding more from the Big East because they were very good several years ago.
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Exactly CW359. Outside of the MWC no one cares about Boise State. The perception they have of themselves is ridiculous. I applaud “”The Hair” commissioner to give them a big screw you and get paid like everyone else. The MWC is evolving into another WAC scenario where it’s two marquee schools (BSU & SDSU) wanna leave and the MWC is gonna have no choice but to invite Utep and NMSU to fill those holes up if they leave.
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(01-23-2020 07:17 AM)Country_Wisdom_359 Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 08:18 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  Boise State is ridiculous.

The Boise brand hasn’t been as relevant since Kellen graduated. Peterson leaving for Washington pretty much ended the era. Those were glory days that’ll be hard to repeat any time soon.

Kind of like Butler in basketball. The core of players developed by Stevens left shortly after he did. We won’t see them in the championship game any time soon. Much less twice in a row. You don’t see Butler demanding more from the Big East because they were very good several years ago.

Butler was ranked in the top 5 in the country at one point during this year. Just saying...
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Quote:ANAHEIM, Calif. — Maybe this is all just one big Bronco bluff. Maybe the complaint Boise State filed last week in an Idaho court against the Mountain West Conference alleging bad faith and breach of contract is just a ploy to get back to the negotiating table so that they can keep their sweetheart television deal in perpetuity. Maybe all the posturing and loaded language about considering their options is as phony as a piece of blue turf.

But this much is true: Boise State’s grievances with the Mountain West are now adding up, culminating with the league’s plan to eventually phase out the special financial treatment the Broncos have enjoyed as the ink dries on a new television contract with Fox Sports and CBS.

This much is also true: The Mountain West’s peer league, the American Athletic Conference, is watching this soap opera closely, considering whether the time is right to make a play that would significantly strengthen its brand as the best football league outside the Power Five, kneecap its rival and fill a hole in its membership that was created when UConn announced it was leaving last summer.

Within AAC circles, the question of whether Boise State would make sense as a football-only member has become an informal but significant topic of conversation in recent days.

Yes, that’s right — seven years after Boise State reneged on an agreement to join the crumbling Big East, whose schools eventually reformed as the AAC, it’s within the realm of possibility that the Broncos could end up flirting with them once again. But that’s also a big part of the plot line here.

When Boise State re-entered the Mountain West, it used its leverage to secure an agreement that allowed the television rights to the Broncos’ home games to be negotiated separately and returned to them as bonus money totaling $1.8 million above the regular conference distribution. Boise State believes there’s no finish line to that money in its contract within the league and in fact wanted that bonus to be scaled up to a proportionate share of the increased TV revenue from the new deal. Instead, the league voted to end the bonus arrangement in 2026, and Boise State is fighting back with a legal complaint and a threat to explore its options.

In one breath, this could all be construed as Boise being Boise — a program that has exploited its unique brand at every turn, trying to squeeze the lemon one more time in the absence of interest from a power league.

At the same time, Boise’s actions over the last week have been so provocative they could easily be construed as laying the groundwork for an exit. And unless Boise is prepared to go the independent route — which would shut the Broncos out of an automatic access point to a coveted New Year’s Six bowl game spot — the only possible alternative would be the AAC.

The question then becomes, would the AAC really want Boise State? On one hand, their presidents and athletics directors could make the argument that they don’t really need the Broncos and all the potential drama that seems to follow in their wake. Even without Boise State, the AAC is generally perceived as the best Group of Five league and its champion has gotten the lucrative New Year’s Six bowl game bid in four of the last five years.

At the same time, there are complications. Shortly after the AAC negotiated a new television deal with ESPN last year that would have boosted the per-school distribution to around $7 million a year, UConn bolted, opening up a provision that would allow the network to renegotiate terms. That bit of uncertainty, according to multiple people with knowledge of the matter, still hasn’t been resolved. It’s possible that adding a football brand like Boise State would not only make up for the value lost by UConn basketball but potentially increase it.

Also, the AAC can only continue to hold a football championship game as an 11-team league without divisions for two more years without an NCAA waiver. AAC commissioner Mike Aresco has made recent comments indicating that getting back to a 12-team model might be preferable in the future. He did not immediately return a message seeking comment about Boise State’s situation on Wednesday.

There are probably more reasons for Boise State to continue dominating its regional rivals in the Mountain West than playing a bunch of teams two time zones away. On the other hand, the Broncos haven’t been as nationally relevant the last few years, and the AAC’s strength with programs like UCF, Memphis and Houston has been hard to overcome. If Boise State was in the same league, it could try to beat them head-to-head instead of in the computer rankings and narrative wars.

Either way, for the first time in awhile, it appears Boise State has some options and is going to use them to their fullest extent. And instead of trying to get the Mountain West’s attention behind the scenes, it lit a Roman candle of acrimony that could have major realignment consequences in the coming weeks.

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A linked article from a legitimate news source? What the hell are you trying to do here, CP? Fact-based conversations informed by people who actually know what is happening in such situations really aren't welcome around these parts. Take your fancy fake news somewhere else.
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Damn, this went a bit nuclear.

https://www.ktvb.com/article/sports/ncaa...cTE0pC5zRE

Understand that Boise State wins the lawsuit, if it gets that far. If there's a negotiation, it may well be without a suddenly departing Craig Thompson. I know how you feel about fairness, but contracts can be screwy things.
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(01-23-2020 10:34 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(01-23-2020 07:17 AM)Country_Wisdom_359 Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 08:18 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  Boise State is ridiculous.

The Boise brand hasn’t been as relevant since Kellen graduated. Peterson leaving for Washington pretty much ended the era. Those were glory days that’ll be hard to repeat any time soon.

Kind of like Butler in basketball. The core of players developed by Stevens left shortly after he did. We won’t see them in the championship game any time soon. Much less twice in a row. You don’t see Butler demanding more from the Big East because they were very good several years ago.

Butler was ranked in the top 5 in the country at one point during this year. Just saying...

Oh wow. Okay I withdraw that comparison. I haven’t been following other leagues all that much this year. I was mostly going off of the last couple years’ lack of tourney runs.
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(01-23-2020 06:17 PM)Country_Wisdom_359 Wrote:  
(01-23-2020 10:34 AM)PojoaquePosse Wrote:  
(01-23-2020 07:17 AM)Country_Wisdom_359 Wrote:  
(01-22-2020 08:18 PM)dancingNMSUaggie Wrote:  Boise State is ridiculous.

The Boise brand hasn’t been as relevant since Kellen graduated. Peterson leaving for Washington pretty much ended the era. Those were glory days that’ll be hard to repeat any time soon.

Kind of like Butler in basketball. The core of players developed by Stevens left shortly after he did. We won’t see them in the championship game any time soon. Much less twice in a row. You don’t see Butler demanding more from the Big East because they were very good several years ago.

Butler was ranked in the top 5 in the country at one point during this year. Just saying...

Oh wow. Okay I withdraw that comparison. I haven’t been following other leagues all that much this year. I was mostly going off of the last couple years’ lack of tourney runs.

Butler is currently ranked #12. They entered the polls in week 5 this year. They were actually ranked #5 just last week and lost 3 in a row (2 of those were to ranked teams) and they fell to #12 this week.
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(01-23-2020 09:36 PM)Johnny Crunch Wrote:  https://twitter.com/C_Austin_Cox/status/...96065?s=19

It’s WCC or bust for them. The Big Sky ? Lol. They better hope they’re going to NMSU the league every year.
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