(01-18-2020 03:20 PM)Longhorn Wrote: LR has lost this team. It’s rare, but JMU has replaced coaches mid season before. I say do it now. Transfer LR to administrative functions, and start the MBB HC search now.
I'd like to, but what's the point? What are we going to do, have one of these assistants fill in for the remainder of the year? That's not going to help.
If the search for a coach hasn't already begun, Jeff Bourne has his head in the mud. He's got to have a list of candidates already, and they're employed. So, we'll just have to wait out the end of this disaster.
We need a new voice selling the new arena. I don't even want to give Rowe any administrative position. Why? He's not qualified for that any more than he was qualified to be the head basketball coach.
(This post was last modified: 01-18-2020 03:59 PM by DoubleDDuke.)
I think I will have pre-game beers and more beers during the game Thursday at W&M. I usually prefer to watch the game intently, but maybe not so much anymore.
Louis Rowe has killed the program.
Great move by the nerds to provide a public beer garden so JMU fans can drown their sorrows.
(01-18-2020 03:55 PM)JacksonHall Wrote: Banks really could have used some help in this game. Nobody's playing time or starting status should be safe on this team. Rowe or someone has to shake them up.
watching the pre-game scrimmage back at Homecoming, I was curious what Richey would contribute. His stroke looked super smooth. I also thought I'd see more of Dobbs as well. I'm surely not watching them practice daily, but they passed the eye test at the scrimmage as being able to contribute some this year. And with the record we have, I would have assumed Rowe might have taken a peak to see what they have to offer. You sometimes see two different players from practice to game time.
(01-18-2020 04:19 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote: I think I will have pre-game beers and more beers during the game Thursday at W&M. I usually prefer to watch the game intently, but maybe not so much anymore.
Louis Rowe has killed the program.
Great move by the nerds to provide a public beer garden so JMU fans can drown their sorrows.
I don't think Lou killed it. It has been dead and buried for a long time, but he certainly has not brought it back to life and he's not going to. I kept laughing when Feinstein called him Louis Orr throughout the entire game.
(01-18-2020 03:20 PM)Longhorn Wrote: LR has lost this team. It’s rare, but JMU has replaced coaches mid season before. I say do it now. Transfer LR to administrative functions, and start the MBB HC search now.
I'd like to, but what's the point? What are we going to do, have one of these assistants fill in for the remainder of the year? That's not going to help.
If the search for a coach hasn't already begun, Jeff Bourne has his head in the mud. He's got to have a list of candidates already, and they're employed. So, we'll just have to wait out the end of this disaster.
We need a new voice selling the new arena. I don't even want to give Rowe any administrative position. Why? He's not qualified for that any more than he was qualified to be the head basketball coach.
The point is the season is already lost, and filling in with an assistant isn’t about helping this season. It’s about sending a message that a new direction in MBB is starting now.
And while JB may have a short list of candidates in his head, I’m not sure I trust JB with this process. JMU needs the extra time to get this hire right.
And “administrative reassignment” is a euphemism...a “make work” category for ex-HCs who still have contract money owed them. Sheila Moorman was one example.
(01-18-2020 04:19 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote: I think I will have pre-game beers and more beers during the game Thursday at W&M. I usually prefer to watch the game intently, but maybe not so much anymore.
Louis Rowe has killed the program.
Great move by the nerds to provide a public beer garden so JMU fans can drown their sorrows.
I don't think Lou killed it. It has been dead and buried for a long time, but he certainly has not brought it back to life and he's not going to. I kept laughing when Feinstein called him Louis Orr throughout the entire game.
Brady had ot on life support after Keener nearly killed it, but I assure you support for men's basketball is dead. It's at an all-time low. I wish Bourne would get fired too. His decision making in this area has been irresponsible.
Sherm and Keener killed it, Brady brought back a little life but we needed someone that could take it beyond where Brady plateaued. Lou killed it again instead. Not his fault, all he did was take what's probably way up his list of dream jobs. Bourne and co. killed it by offering the job to someone who wasn't ready and qualified.
They've obviously done a lot of good in football and some other sports, their handling of conference movement is debatable... But man I hope they can finally come through in basketball. Getting baseball closer to where softball is would be a ton of fun as well.
I don't think anybody blames Rowe for taking the job. But, I damn sure do blame him for this consistently pathetic product and for letting a lot of people down.
When you've lost 6 of the last 7 and 4 straight, it doesn't make a lot of sense to me to keep trying the same things and expect better results. Why not try something a little different in the rotations?
For example, if Pinkard deserves time off the bench like some apparently have faith in Rowe for doing, then why did Pinkard only get 25 minutes of TOTAL court time in the pre-CAA schedule? Why are Dobbs and Richey not at least getting a few runs up and down the court to show if they can be a spark plug? And, spare me with the coaches see them in practice argument. We ALL see what's going on in the games. Don't make me insert a gif of Iverson here about "PRACTICE?" When you continue to do the same things with the same groupings and getting the same pathetic results, it's time to consider some changes.
Christmas showed so much potential in the early portion of the schedule. He got 13 minutes today. Btw, not saying he deserved more...just that I can't really point to any one player who appears to be progressing/improving their game performance at this point in the season, now 18 games in. Most are regressing or at best staying the same.
Banks was the only one who showed up. The rest should've just stayed on the bus. It's very possible that he has lost the team at this point as this continues to spiral down the toilet.
Again, nobody faults Rowe for taking the job. And yes, the admin deserves a big fat F for their handling of JMU MBB over the past 3 decades. But, Rowe deserves a ton of blame and he is getting paid handsomely (~20 grand per win...a little more for wins over D1 opponents). Shame on them all.
(01-18-2020 04:37 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote: Sherm and Keener killed it, Brady brought back a little life but we needed someone that could take it beyond where Brady plateaued. Lou killed it again instead. Not his fault, all he did was take what's probably way up his list of dream jobs. Bourne and co. killed it by offering the job to someone who wasn't ready and qualified.
They've obviously done a lot of good in football and some other sports, their handling of conference movement is debatable... But man I hope they can finally come through in basketball. Getting baseball closer to where softball is would be a ton of fun as well.
No conference wants to add a horrible basketball program. It just weakens everything. JMU has no real options at this point because of the dregs that the basketball team has become.
Brady was a decent coach, but he had to give out 7 scholarships to bums with a year left on his contract. That resulted in a lot of bad basketball, so there was no surprise I think we actually have better players now but Lou is just lost. He has no idea how to coach. This hire was doomed from the outset.
It's weird how they seem to hit on coaches in every sport except basketball. I know we can't pay but so much but holy ****, is this it? What's the point of building a new stadium to put this bull**** in it?
(01-18-2020 06:28 PM)DoubleDDuke Wrote: It's weird how they seem to hit on coaches in every sport except basketball. I know we can't pay but so much but holy ****, is this it? What's the point of building a new stadium to put this bull**** in it?
It's not hard to see, this JMU can't or won't compete at sports that alpha schools prioritize, football and men's basketball and it won't change with this administration.
(01-18-2020 06:14 PM)Purplehazed Wrote: Way pitch fork Lou Rowe? Lou did what you would have done.
This is on King and Bourne, the stewards of the CAA.
Were you this quick to defend Dean Keener? He was hired by the same doofus athletic director. Keener sure gets hit hard on this board yet people want to defend Rowe " because he took the job." Rowe is the second worst coach JMU men's basketball has ever had behind Keener. Maybe instead of referring to it as the Keener round in the CAA tournament it should be referred to as the Bourne round.
Well Keener wasn’t one of the JMU basketball greats. If in 20 years Vad Lee doesn’t have the qualifications to earn the head football coach job but is given the job anyway then predictably fails, I think anyone who was around for his playing days is gonna be pretty reluctant to be mad at him rather than the people that hired him.
(01-18-2020 10:23 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote: Well Keener wasn’t one of the JMU basketball greats. If in 20 years Vad Lee doesn’t have the qualifications to earn the head football coach job but is given the job anyway then predictably fails, I think anyone who was around for his playing days is gonna be pretty reluctant to be mad at him rather than the people that hired him.
This is a great way of putting it for someone, like me, who wasn’t around for the Rowe playing days.
(01-18-2020 10:23 PM)KickItToScotty Wrote: Well Keener wasn’t one of the JMU basketball greats. If in 20 years Vad Lee doesn’t have the qualifications to earn the head football coach job but is given the job anyway then predictably fails, I think anyone who was around for his playing days is gonna be pretty reluctant to be mad at him rather than the people that hired him.
Cool. If you want to give the guy a free pass then go ahead. That's what Bourne was counting on. I'm not that big of a sucker. The only thing Rowe deserves is to get fired.
(01-18-2020 04:19 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote: I think I will have pre-game beers and more beers during the game Thursday at W&M. I usually prefer to watch the game intently, but maybe not so much anymore.
Louis Rowe has killed the program.
Great move by the nerds to provide a public beer garden so JMU fans can drown their sorrows.
I don't think Lou killed it. It has been dead and buried for a long time, but he certainly has not brought it back to life and he's not going to. I kept laughing when Feinstein called him Louis Orr throughout the entire game.
Brady had ot on life support after Keener nearly killed it, but I assure you support for men's basketball is dead. It's at an all-time low. I wish Bourne would get fired too. His decision making in this area has been irresponsible.
How on earth do they seemingly get other hires right, yet screw this major one up time after time after time?
Serially, nigh on 3 decades?
This, right here, is why 79.8% of our fan base is even still on board!
My gosh, my goodness. What’s been done here is near criminal. Used to be packed houses.
(01-19-2020 12:13 AM)JMUDunk Wrote: How on earth do they seemingly get other hires right, yet screw this major one up time after time after time?
Serially, nigh on 3 decades?
This, right here, is why 79.8% of our fan base is even still on board!
My gosh, my goodness. What’s been done here is near criminal. Used to be packed houses.
And this is why, and I can't emphasize this enough, that all new blood needs to pick our next coach. King and Bourne are 0-3. Alger was on the last search panel and signed off on Lou. And any Board member who was on the search committee that came up w/ Rowe is also banned.
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result."
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