Rowe isn't going to be fired before the season's end. He is an alum. We are paying him anyway. There is no real upside (BION) to the current team with him being fired. We aren't going anywhere after a 1-or-2-and-out appearance at the CAAT. As bad as he's been in the W-L columns, he hasn't really done anything significant to embarrass the university. And so forth...

So, that isn't happening and nor should it. Having said that, I wouldn't expect the admin to say diddly about his future until the time is appropriate...which, should be the day after the season is officially over (IMO). In fact, I hope the admin keeps their pie holes shut until the time is right. Work the future changes quietly behind the scenes. In truth, let the dominos fall and if we don't hire someone until after the coaches convention at the final 4 in early April, that works just fine too. If the right candidate is available before then and we think we've got it right (feel free to laugh now), then pull the trigger. Just make sure it is right this time around (again, feel free to laugh).

If Rowe is the head coach next year, it would follow the same approach apparently as Ikenberry is being given. The difference of course is a shiny new 9-figure arena, hoops "supposedly" being a money sport at JMU, etc. I'd put the chances of Rowe being HC next year at less than 20% if we continue on the same path we've been in so far in this CAA schedule (and I expect that to be the case). But, to your point JMad03, it could happen. This admin makes a lot of stupid decisions when it comes to MBB.

(01-21-2020 12:39 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  You guys talk about this next hiring as if they admin has already fired Rowe. We don't even know if they will even come to that decision.
I'm just saying it isn't impossible to suggest all of this new coach optimism is for nothing. Rowe could easily be coaching this team next season. I still believe there are members of the admin that aren't ready to pull the plug on the Rowe experiment.
Aside from Rowe being awful, there isn't anything coming out from the admin to suggest that they are even considering firing Rowe. I think it's pretty laughable to think that the admin is proactive enough to actually start looking for a replacement. Even a candidate list seems pretty far fetched.
I think Rowe could literally lose every single game left on the schedule and the admin would want to take the time to assess his job. He is not getting fired before the season is over.
However, if that were to happen, I think that would be a HUGE sign that perhaps they are ready to take MBB more seriously. Until then, be prepared to be disappointed.

"Rowe could be coaching next season" OMG could you even fathom how much more apathetic we would become? I really wasn't sure it was possible to get any lower.

(01-21-2020 01:29 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(01-21-2020 12:39 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  You guys talk about this next hiring as if they admin has already fired Rowe. We don't even know if they will even come to that decision.
I'm just saying it isn't impossible to suggest all of this new coach optimism is for nothing. Rowe could easily be coaching this team next season. I still believe there are members of the admin that aren't ready to pull the plug on the Rowe experiment.
Aside from Rowe being awful, there isn't anything coming out from the admin to suggest that they are even considering firing Rowe. I think it's pretty laughable to think that the admin is proactive enough to actually start looking for a replacement. Even a candidate list seems pretty far fetched.
I think Rowe could literally lose every single game left on the schedule and the admin would want to take the time to assess his job. He is not getting fired before the season is over.
However, if that were to happen, I think that would be a HUGE sign that perhaps they are ready to take MBB more seriously. Until then, be prepared to be disappointed.

"Rowe could be coaching next season" OMG could you even fathom how much more apathetic we would become? I really wasn't sure it was possible to get any lower.

I don't think it's possible without a huge turnaround, but I've been surprised before.

I would rather Rowe back than another cheap hire thzt does not mzke an impact.

Plus, Rowe back (I would root for Lou) and getting the same would open more alum minds to the notion that JMU has outgrown the athletic admin although we will end up with Bourne caa butt nuggets

(01-21-2020 03:10 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  I would rather Rowe back than another cheap hire thzt does not mzke an impact.

Plus, Rowe back (I would root for Lou) and getting the same would open more alum minds to the notion that JMU has outgrown the athletic admin although we will end up with Bourne caa butt nuggets

I want a market appropriate hire. I can't/won't consider anything else.

(01-21-2020 03:10 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  Plus, Rowe back (I would root for Lou) and getting the same would open more alum minds to the notion that JMU has outgrown the athletic admin although we will end up with Bourne caa butt nuggets

(01-21-2020 01:29 PM)Deez Nuts Wrote:  

(01-21-2020 12:39 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  You guys talk about this next hiring as if they admin has already fired Rowe. We don't even know if they will even come to that decision.
I'm just saying it isn't impossible to suggest all of this new coach optimism is for nothing. Rowe could easily be coaching this team next season. I still believe there are members of the admin that aren't ready to pull the plug on the Rowe experiment.
Aside from Rowe being awful, there isn't anything coming out from the admin to suggest that they are even considering firing Rowe. I think it's pretty laughable to think that the admin is proactive enough to actually start looking for a replacement. Even a candidate list seems pretty far fetched.
I think Rowe could literally lose every single game left on the schedule and the admin would want to take the time to assess his job. He is not getting fired before the season is over.
However, if that were to happen, I think that would be a HUGE sign that perhaps they are ready to take MBB more seriously. Until then, be prepared to be disappointed.

"Rowe could be coaching next season" OMG could you even fathom how much more apathetic we would become? I really wasn't sure it was possible to get any lower.

There isn't anything that would counter a new stadium more than bringing Rowe back.
Imagine the first game in the new arena and they couldn't even fill it. That would be beyond embarrassing.
I really want to go see a game in the new arena, but there's no way in hell I'm going if Rowe is coaching.
However, I would definitely go see the women play.

(01-21-2020 05:59 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  There isn't anything that would counter a new stadium more than bringing Rowe back.
Imagine the first game in the new arena and they couldn't even fill it. That would be beyond embarrassing.
I really want to go see a game in the new arena, but there's no way in hell I'm going if Rowe is coaching.
However, I would definitely go see the women play.

Agree. It still boggles my mind that we gave Rowe a 5-year contract. You might consider giving a top notch candidate who is a proven winner a 5-year deal. Not Rowe or someone with his lack of experience as CEO of MBB.

If we could somehow lure an Andy Kennedy or the like, then 5 years? OK. I'm not wild about it, but I understand. When you go on the cheap - and let's unfortunately be honest about it, that is entirely possible based on past behaviors - don't lock yourself in for 5 years for crying out loud. 4 max and then if he does well and earns it, extend the contract a year or two.

Rowe would have taken a 4-year deal for what at the moment was a dream opportunity. Heck, he might have taken a 3-year deal.

Believe 5-year contracts are pretty standard to help with recruiting. Not saying you don’t have a point, just doubt that less than 5 was even a consideration.

(01-21-2020 06:57 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Believe 5-year contracts are pretty standard to help with recruiting. Not saying you don’t have a point, just doubt that less than 5 was even a consideration.

The 5 year term isn't a big deal, unlike the buyout. Just curious, does anyone know what Coach's buyout is? I would assume it's relatively small since we aren't paying him the big bucks and he was "entry level"

(01-22-2020 03:39 PM)RamDawg Wrote:  

(01-21-2020 06:57 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Believe 5-year contracts are pretty standard to help with recruiting. Not saying you don’t have a point, just doubt that less than 5 was even a consideration.

The 5 year term isn't a big deal, unlike the buyout. Just curious, does anyone know what Coach's buyout is? I would assume it's relatively small since we aren't paying him the big bucks and he was "entry level"

His contract was posted recently. There is no mention of any buyout or decreased options in year 5. My interpretation is we owe him his full base through April 2021; which would mean whether Coach is terminated today or retained through next April it costs JMU around 325K between now and then.