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Just like our football team our basketball team is not good. There is an old saying that fit with our football team and our basketball team. Good Teams find ways to win. Bad teams find ways to lose. I had predicted 18 wins when everyone else said +20 and I was crazy. Well...I would love to see an 18 win season now. Everyone should stop being so negative. Reality is a *****.

(01-18-2020 11:45 PM)Maryland Monarch Wrote:  I hate to say this, and I mean that sincerely, but I’m at the point I was at during football season. Emotionally, I’m pulling for this team and hoping they win. But intellectually, I think the best thing for the program is to lose enough to force a change in leadership. I just don’t see Coach Jones ever taking us beyond average.

To the posters previous observation, I also think this is probably the worst offensive team I’ve witnessed in 35 years of ODU fandom. It’s just ugly, uninteresting and frustrating to watch.

This team is on par with the 5 win 2012-2013 team. The question is will Wood tolerate this level of ineptitude.

(01-18-2020 10:29 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(01-18-2020 10:23 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(01-18-2020 09:48 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(01-18-2020 09:38 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(01-18-2020 09:33 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  We’re definitely better than our record. Does anyone disagree? I know it’s not saying much, but we can beat anyone in our conference.

I think we can improve enough to win, but I'm not sure we can win 3 games in 3 days as fatigue is clearly an issue with us in late game situations. In fact, if we don't get a little winning streak going soon, it may be 4 games in 4 days.

We lost to JMU at home. Bottom line: We aren't good.

Agreed - we need to start Monday to have any hope. But I’m going to go against the grain and say we have potential to make the NCAAT. Too many moving parts recently to know what we have. I think this team can hunt if they figure it out.

The team has some pieces, but we're a few players short of being good. We have some players forced into action that clearly aren't ready, Green and Oliver aren't getting it done, and Kalu can't stay on the floor. Wade and Curry are our offense.

We need a big man and a sniper badly.

Unfortunately, a big man is not in our future for this year. But we will be a different team if X and AJ start showing up. We’ll be a dangerous team if they start playing to their potential. Push our record aside - and I like our chances in the CUSAT w/a bye.

We are 18 games into the season. X has been what he is going to be. As the focal point of the defense, he just isn't good enough to carry the load at this point. Oliver isn't going to all of a sudden become a 15ppg scorer in this offense that doesn't run any plays for him either now that defenses have figured out he is the only perimeter threat on the team. There are games where the matchups will allow X and Oliver to thrive, but they are not going to consistently be a lot different than what you are seeing now.

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(01-19-2020 12:02 AM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(01-18-2020 09:00 PM)ODUMONARCHZ1 Wrote:  Curry was a ball hog a lot this game from what I saw

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Hopefully he continues to develop and understand his role. He could have made better decisions down the stretch that could have resulted in a different outcome.

I really like Curry and this team would be a complete disaster without him, but boy did he blow it down the stretch. Going to the rim with 18 seconds left in a tie game is an inexcusable mistake. The foul is really secondary to the clock management for me.

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(01-19-2020 08:09 AM)ODUDon Wrote:  

(01-18-2020 11:45 PM)Maryland Monarch Wrote:  I hate to say this, and I mean that sincerely, but I’m at the point I was at during football season. Emotionally, I’m pulling for this team and hoping they win. But intellectually, I think the best thing for the program is to lose enough to force a change in leadership. I just don’t see Coach Jones ever taking us beyond average.

To the posters previous observation, I also think this is probably the worst offensive team I’ve witnessed in 35 years of ODU fandom. It’s just ugly, uninteresting and frustrating to watch.

This team is on par with the 5 win 2012-2013 team. The question is will Wood tolerate this level of ineptitude.

I disagree. This team scores 62 a game and gives up 64 a game. They’ve lost a ton of games right at the end. We aren’t good, but the guys are out there busting their asses. Other than Washington State and Illinois they’ve had a lead in all of these games they’ve lost. A lot of them late leads in the last couple minutes.

We’ve been pretty bad. Played some bad games. I just feel like the team goes out there and has competed really hard. Especially the last 6 games we are out there getting after it. Now if they don’t win these home games coming up we might see that competitive spirit die and it really might get ugly. I have faith we are gonna win some more ball games and keep battling.

(01-19-2020 09:56 AM)Prideofalion Wrote:  We’ve been pretty bad. Played some bad games. I just feel like the team goes out there and has competed really hard. Especially the last 6 games we are out there getting after it. Now if they don’t win these home games coming up we might see that competitive spirit die and it really might get ugly. I have faith we are gonna win some more ball games and keep battling.

Agree, this team frustrates the heck out of me but one thing for sure, they are playing extremely hard. Last night it seemed players were trying so hard they got away from team ball. Yes, Curry played very well but as the point guard he has to understand ,even though the play was called for him in the huddle, if it’s not there don’t force it. Whether or not someone else makes the play, he has to trust the other options. At worst last night we should have had overtime when we had the ball with 35 seconds on the clock.
Jones has not lost this team as Wilder did. They are playing hard and playing to win. I am on the side of thinking this sorry conference is still winnable but it’s still going to take our best player stepping up, and that is X. We have some very good role players but X is the one guy talented enough to carry us through games like we had this week. So far it hasn’t happened and it might not. But I think that’s our best chance to get over the hump.

(01-19-2020 09:35 AM)Prideofalion Wrote:  

(01-19-2020 08:09 AM)ODUDon Wrote:  

(01-18-2020 11:45 PM)Maryland Monarch Wrote:  I hate to say this, and I mean that sincerely, but I’m at the point I was at during football season. Emotionally, I’m pulling for this team and hoping they win. But intellectually, I think the best thing for the program is to lose enough to force a change in leadership. I just don’t see Coach Jones ever taking us beyond average.

To the posters previous observation, I also think this is probably the worst offensive team I’ve witnessed in 35 years of ODU fandom. It’s just ugly, uninteresting and frustrating to watch.

This team is on par with the 5 win 2012-2013 team. The question is will Wood tolerate this level of ineptitude.

I disagree. This team scores 62 a game and gives up 64 a game. They’ve lost a ton of games right at the end. We aren’t good, but the guys are out there busting their asses. Other than Washington State and Illinois they’ve had a lead in all of these games they’ve lost. A lot of them late leads in the last couple minutes.

Agreed. JMU was a fraction of a second from a win (obvs it never should have gotten to that point, but work with me here). Richmond hit a dagger. WKU and Marshall easily could have been wins with one play in the endgame changing for the better. They played UNI and VCU, both at-large contenders, tough on the road, and beat Northeastern on the road, which isn't an especially sexy win but it's not a tomato can either.

With the exception of being outclassed by a top-25 team in Illinois, and that putrid W&M/Caymans stretch, ODU has been respectable for the most part, and a couple of breaks would at least have them with a winning record at this point. That still makes this JJ's worst ODU team, and only a surprise run in the curtatined football stadium gets them into the postseason, but this isn't 2-20 with home losses to VMI, Fairfield and Holy Cross either.

Not even close to the football program. That team had no prayer before kickoff. They got handled in every game. This b-ball team has a chance to win. They just aren’t.

(01-19-2020 10:31 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(01-19-2020 09:35 AM)Prideofalion Wrote:  

(01-19-2020 08:09 AM)ODUDon Wrote:  

(01-18-2020 11:45 PM)Maryland Monarch Wrote:  I hate to say this, and I mean that sincerely, but I’m at the point I was at during football season. Emotionally, I’m pulling for this team and hoping they win. But intellectually, I think the best thing for the program is to lose enough to force a change in leadership. I just don’t see Coach Jones ever taking us beyond average.

To the posters previous observation, I also think this is probably the worst offensive team I’ve witnessed in 35 years of ODU fandom. It’s just ugly, uninteresting and frustrating to watch.

This team is on par with the 5 win 2012-2013 team. The question is will Wood tolerate this level of ineptitude.

I disagree. This team scores 62 a game and gives up 64 a game. They’ve lost a ton of games right at the end. We aren’t good, but the guys are out there busting their asses. Other than Washington State and Illinois they’ve had a lead in all of these games they’ve lost. A lot of them late leads in the last couple minutes.

Agreed. JMU was a fraction of a second from a win (obvs it never should have gotten to that point, but work with me here). Richmond hit a dagger. WKU and Marshall easily could have been wins with one play in the endgame changing for the better. They played UNI and VCU, both at-large contenders, tough on the road, and beat Northeastern on the road, which isn't an especially sexy win but it's not a tomato can either.

With the exception of being outclassed by a top-25 team in Illinois, and that putrid W&M/Caymans stretch, ODU has been respectable for the most part, and a couple of breaks would at least have them with a winning record at this point. That still makes this JJ's worst ODU team, and only a surprise run in the curtatined football stadium gets them into the postseason, but this isn't 2-20 with home losses to VMI, Fairfield and Holy Cross either.

This isn't the same ODU team that played in most of the games you mentioned. Dajour and Godwin are no longer eating up significant minutes. Alvis is now one of the first guys off the bench and is playing a lot more minutes than he was before. The bench is 2 guys shorter and guys are not getting as much in game rest as they were allotted before. Depth takes a toll at the end of games and even earlier as the season progresses. Some players are conditioned to play heavy minutes and others aren't and never will be for one reason or another.

At what point do people stop saying that Green just has to snap out of it and rise to his presumed lofty level. Maybe he is just not the star that so many have projected him to be. It could be similar to suddenly expecting Wade to become a lights out 3 point shooter because we all know he is capable but just not doing it yet.

With Dickens and Godwin gone the team is thin and really can’t present different looks offensively. We’ve competed the last couple of games but I expect teams to be able to shut down Wade and Curry then what do we do? This is JJ’s dream team. Great defense and admirable effort with offense as an afterthought.

We can't shoot the 3, and we have no low post game. Thus we are extremely limited in what we can do offensively (and good opposing coaches are going to take those options away).

So many air balls. Maybe let the team go spend a night eating some mushrooms and talking to a team psychologist and come back mentally reset. In my opinion it isn't a physical issue.

I'm half joking. =] I'm kind of into the idea behind mdma and psilocybin for mental wellness in a clinical setting though.

(01-19-2020 12:22 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  So many air balls. Maybe let the team go spend a night eating some mushrooms and talking to a team psychologist and come back mentally reset. In my opinion it isn't a physical issue.

I'm half joking. =] I'm kind of into the idea behind mdma and psilocybin for mental wellness in a clinical setting though.

Speaking from experience?

(01-19-2020 11:53 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  We can't shoot the 3, and we have no low post game. Thus we are extremely limited in what we can do offensively (and good opposing coaches are going to take those options away).

CORRECT CORRECT CORRECT and after 7 years of Jeff Jones, this is what we have with NO light at the end of the tunnel! Jones needs to go and we need to move to the A10.

(01-19-2020 12:30 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(01-19-2020 12:22 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  So many air balls. Maybe let the team go spend a night eating some mushrooms and talking to a team psychologist and come back mentally reset. In my opinion it isn't a physical issue.

I'm half joking. =] I'm kind of into the idea behind mdma and psilocybin for mental wellness in a clinical setting though.

Speaking from experience?

Fif!

(01-19-2020 09:35 AM)Prideofalion Wrote:  

(01-19-2020 08:09 AM)ODUDon Wrote:  

(01-18-2020 11:45 PM)Maryland Monarch Wrote:  I hate to say this, and I mean that sincerely, but I’m at the point I was at during football season. Emotionally, I’m pulling for this team and hoping they win. But intellectually, I think the best thing for the program is to lose enough to force a change in leadership. I just don’t see Coach Jones ever taking us beyond average.

To the posters previous observation, I also think this is probably the worst offensive team I’ve witnessed in 35 years of ODU fandom. It’s just ugly, uninteresting and frustrating to watch.

This team is on par with the 5 win 2012-2013 team. The question is will Wood tolerate this level of ineptitude.

I disagree. This team scores 62 a game and gives up 64 a game. They’ve lost a ton of games right at the end. We aren’t good, but the guys are out there busting their asses. Other than Washington State and Illinois they’ve had a lead in all of these games they’ve lost. A lot of them late leads in the last couple minutes.

That's what happens when you can't make shots. Defense will keep things close, but at the end of the day, if you can't make a shot when you need one, you will lose.

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(01-19-2020 12:35 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  

(01-19-2020 12:30 PM)Chillie Willie Wrote:  

(01-19-2020 12:22 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  So many air balls. Maybe let the team go spend a night eating some mushrooms and talking to a team psychologist and come back mentally reset. In my opinion it isn't a physical issue.

I'm half joking. =] I'm kind of into the idea behind mdma and psilocybin for mental wellness in a clinical setting though.

Speaking from experience?

Fif!

Some evidence to support shrooms to treat depression.

(01-19-2020 11:53 AM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  We can't shoot the 3, and we have no low post game. Thus we are extremely limited in what we can do offensively (and good opposing coaches are going to take those options away).

Exactly.

(01-19-2020 07:50 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  Just like our football team our basketball team is not good. There is an old saying that fit with our football team and our basketball team. Good Teams find ways to win. Bad teams find ways to lose. I had predicted 18 wins when everyone else said +20 and I was crazy. Well...I would love to see an 18 win season now. Everyone should stop being so negative. Reality is a *****.

Uncle Frank, I’m glad you’re on this board. I enjoy reading your posts tooting your horn.