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(01-27-2020 12:36 PM)Seahawk33 Wrote:  General Question - how many conference wins does Burke need to have the "Interim" tag removed?
We were 0-6 in the CAA when he took over, if we could get to 7 wins (7-11 in CAA), does that make it a done deal? That would make him 7-5 over his 12 game "audition".

8-4, 9-3

I suspect it will have to do as much with how competitive we are in the losses under his tenure as the actual number. For instance, the Hofstra loss would almost count as a 'win' (being blown out by Elon) when looking at Burke's results.

I think that Alex Riley metric of winning most of his games (6-6, plus a win in the CAA tournament) would do it.
While i get your point, and it's certainly a good one, I don't give points for Moral victories(Hofstra). That said It certainly doesn't hurt his cause.
I Think with 6-6 he'd certainly earn an interview, but we'd have a competitive scenario. If he goes 8-4, 9-3 Vs. the top half of the league he really doesn't leave Bass a choice.

To me, he has already proven he can compete at the top of the conference and we can already see the product he is going to put on the court. That's far more than we will know about anyone we hire. We also know the passion and enthusiasm he brings to his coaching, the way players respond to him as the HC, and the way he works with his assistants. Again, far more than we would know about anyone we hire. Our games have been really close...but he's 2-1 in those games against top competition, and we had a chance to win the other one. I don't know what more you could ask for? And I don't consider the Hofstra game to be just a moral victory, we've had lots of those. On two days notice he completely turned a team around that had just lost by 18 to the last place team in the conference and put them in a position to win against a top 3 team on the last shot. And we completely reavmaped our offense and defense. I still can't believe the way we played in that game.

He's alsioworking with a really young team that has practically no size in the post and has experienced nothing but losing since they've arrived at UNCW. I don't think you can go on just wins and losses. I'm already sold, and if it were up to me, id be putting together an offer to make him our HC.
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(01-27-2020 03:58 PM)82hawk Wrote:  
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(01-27-2020 01:07 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-27-2020 12:36 PM)Seahawk33 Wrote:  General Question - how many conference wins does Burke need to have the "Interim" tag removed?
We were 0-6 in the CAA when he took over, if we could get to 7 wins (7-11 in CAA), does that make it a done deal? That would make him 7-5 over his 12 game "audition".

8-4, 9-3

I suspect it will have to do as much with how competitive we are in the losses under his tenure as the actual number. For instance, the Hofstra loss would almost count as a 'win' (being blown out by Elon) when looking at Burke's results.

I think that Alex Riley metric of winning most of his games (6-6, plus a win in the CAA tournament) would do it.
While i get your point, and it's certainly a good one, I don't give points for Moral victories(Hofstra). That said It certainly doesn't hurt his cause.
I Think with 6-6 he'd certainly earn an interview, but we'd have a competitive scenario. If he goes 8-4, 9-3 Vs. the top half of the league he really doesn't leave Bass a choice.

To me, he has already proven he can compete at the top of the conference and we can already see the product he is going to put on the court. That's far more than we will know about anyone we hire.
Not completely accurate. If we went after some of the names that have been mentioned, Ie. Davis He's got proven D1 success over multiple years, not an 8 or 12 game stretch. I do agree with the others, unless we completely tank, he certainly has to be at the very least in the discussion, but the better they look a finalist.
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Kevin Keatts may be available soon...
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(01-27-2020 09:13 PM)seahawk1 Wrote:  Kevin Keatts may be available soon...

Don't think so. He's got the 8th ranked recruiting class coming in next year.
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(01-27-2020 09:13 PM)seahawk1 Wrote:  Kevin Keatts may be available soon...

Don't think so. He's got the 8th ranked recruiting class coming in next year.

I do wonder though, how much longer state fans are going to accept ACC mediocrity.


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(01-27-2020 09:13 PM)seahawk1 Wrote:  Kevin Keatts may be available soon...

Don't think so. He's got the 8th ranked recruiting class coming in next year.

I do wonder though, how much longer state fans are going to accept ACC mediocrity.


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if there was ever the year to step on UNC's throat, it was this year. That was a straight up choke job against a pretty bad team
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(01-27-2020 09:44 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
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(01-27-2020 09:13 PM)seahawk1 Wrote:  Kevin Keatts may be available soon...

Don't think so. He's got the 8th ranked recruiting class coming in next year.

I do wonder though, how much longer state fans are going to accept ACC mediocrity.

They ran out Herb Sendek for much less, and I don't think they've re-calibrated their expectations since that era. 5 straight NCAA Tournament appearances with 5 NCAA Tournament wins and a Sweet 16 run, plus four top-4 finishes in the ACC in that span, wasn't good enough.

Keatts is more likable than Sendek but that can wear thin quickly without results.
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(01-28-2020 08:55 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(01-27-2020 09:44 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(01-27-2020 09:29 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  
(01-27-2020 09:13 PM)seahawk1 Wrote:  Kevin Keatts may be available soon...

Don't think so. He's got the 8th ranked recruiting class coming in next year.

I do wonder though, how much longer state fans are going to accept ACC mediocrity.

They ran out Herb Sendek for much less, and I don't think they've re-calibrated their expectations since that era. 5 straight NCAA Tournament appearances with 5 NCAA Tournament wins and a Sweet 16 run, plus four top-4 finishes in the ACC in that span, wasn't good enough.

Keatts is more likable than Sendek but that can wear thin quickly without results.
Was just talking to my boss who is a grad, big time donor and season ticket holder. He thinks at least 2 more years and he'd have to really suck with the recruits he has coming in.
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(01-28-2020 10:09 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 09:04 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 08:55 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(01-27-2020 09:44 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(01-27-2020 09:29 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  Don't think so. He's got the 8th ranked recruiting class coming in next year.

I do wonder though, how much longer state fans are going to accept ACC mediocrity.

They ran out Herb Sendek for much less, and I don't think they've re-calibrated their expectations since that era. 5 straight NCAA Tournament appearances with 5 NCAA Tournament wins and a Sweet 16 run, plus four top-4 finishes in the ACC in that span, wasn't good enough.

Keatts is more likable than Sendek but that can wear thin quickly without results.
Was just talking to my boss who is a grad, big time donor and season ticket holder. He thinks at least 2 more years and he'd have to really suck with the recruits he has coming in.

If they lose to Carolina again this year, and miss the tournament, he's going to be on the hot seat next year. Honestly, if they lose to Carolina twice THIS year, without a S16 run, their fans arent' going to be happy. He's also reporting to an AD that didn't hire him...if he misses the tournament next year, I can see him getting fired.
State fans are a bit delusional when it comes to Carolina and beating them because the fact is they don't and it's not close in terms of being a rivalry. I don't think he should be judged based on beating Carolina but it is a fact that the base does. Right now they are in trouble with Louisville next I think it could be tough sledding. Might not make the NCAA at all.
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(01-28-2020 10:55 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 10:09 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 09:04 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 08:55 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(01-27-2020 09:44 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  I do wonder though, how much longer state fans are going to accept ACC mediocrity.

They ran out Herb Sendek for much less, and I don't think they've re-calibrated their expectations since that era. 5 straight NCAA Tournament appearances with 5 NCAA Tournament wins and a Sweet 16 run, plus four top-4 finishes in the ACC in that span, wasn't good enough.

Keatts is more likable than Sendek but that can wear thin quickly without results.
Was just talking to my boss who is a grad, big time donor and season ticket holder. He thinks at least 2 more years and he'd have to really suck with the recruits he has coming in.

If they lose to Carolina again this year, and miss the tournament, he's going to be on the hot seat next year. Honestly, if they lose to Carolina twice THIS year, without a S16 run, their fans arent' going to be happy. He's also reporting to an AD that didn't hire him...if he misses the tournament next year, I can see him getting fired.
State fans are a bit delusional when it comes to Carolina and beating them because the fact is they don't and it's not close in terms of being a rivalry. I don't think he should be judged based on beating Carolina but it is a fact that the base does. Right now they are in trouble with Louisville next I think it could be tough sledding. Might not make the NCAA at all.
While i agree with everything you say, losing to UNC this year is a much bigger deal than most years. Most years it's a "quality loss" this year, notsomuch.
I posted a "general ACC Talk" thread so we don't derail this thread further
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(01-28-2020 12:27 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 10:55 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 10:09 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 09:04 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 08:55 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  They ran out Herb Sendek for much less, and I don't think they've re-calibrated their expectations since that era. 5 straight NCAA Tournament appearances with 5 NCAA Tournament wins and a Sweet 16 run, plus four top-4 finishes in the ACC in that span, wasn't good enough.

Keatts is more likable than Sendek but that can wear thin quickly without results.
Was just talking to my boss who is a grad, big time donor and season ticket holder. He thinks at least 2 more years and he'd have to really suck with the recruits he has coming in.

If they lose to Carolina again this year, and miss the tournament, he's going to be on the hot seat next year. Honestly, if they lose to Carolina twice THIS year, without a S16 run, their fans arent' going to be happy. He's also reporting to an AD that didn't hire him...if he misses the tournament next year, I can see him getting fired.
State fans are a bit delusional when it comes to Carolina and beating them because the fact is they don't and it's not close in terms of being a rivalry. I don't think he should be judged based on beating Carolina but it is a fact that the base does. Right now they are in trouble with Louisville next I think it could be tough sledding. Might not make the NCAA at all.
While i agree with everything you say, losing to UNC this year is a much bigger deal than most years. Most years it's a "quality loss" this year, notsomuch.
I posted a "general ACC Talk" thread so we don't derail this thread further

Let's circle back to the topic at hand and not divulge this thread into an ACC opinions piece.

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(01-28-2020 05:25 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 12:27 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 10:55 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 10:09 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 09:04 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  Was just talking to my boss who is a grad, big time donor and season ticket holder. He thinks at least 2 more years and he'd have to really suck with the recruits he has coming in.

If they lose to Carolina again this year, and miss the tournament, he's going to be on the hot seat next year. Honestly, if they lose to Carolina twice THIS year, without a S16 run, their fans arent' going to be happy. He's also reporting to an AD that didn't hire him...if he misses the tournament next year, I can see him getting fired.
State fans are a bit delusional when it comes to Carolina and beating them because the fact is they don't and it's not close in terms of being a rivalry. I don't think he should be judged based on beating Carolina but it is a fact that the base does. Right now they are in trouble with Louisville next I think it could be tough sledding. Might not make the NCAA at all.
While i agree with everything you say, losing to UNC this year is a much bigger deal than most years. Most years it's a "quality loss" this year, notsomuch.
I posted a "general ACC Talk" thread so we don't derail this thread further

Let's circle back to the topic at hand and not divulge this thread into an ACC opinions piece.

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(01-28-2020 06:27 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 05:25 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 12:27 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 10:55 AM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 10:09 AM)bricksnivy Wrote:  If they lose to Carolina again this year, and miss the tournament, he's going to be on the hot seat next year. Honestly, if they lose to Carolina twice THIS year, without a S16 run, their fans arent' going to be happy. He's also reporting to an AD that didn't hire him...if he misses the tournament next year, I can see him getting fired.
State fans are a bit delusional when it comes to Carolina and beating them because the fact is they don't and it's not close in terms of being a rivalry. I don't think he should be judged based on beating Carolina but it is a fact that the base does. Right now they are in trouble with Louisville next I think it could be tough sledding. Might not make the NCAA at all.
While i agree with everything you say, losing to UNC this year is a much bigger deal than most years. Most years it's a "quality loss" this year, notsomuch.
I posted a "general ACC Talk" thread so we don't derail this thread further

Let's circle back to the topic at hand and not divulge this thread into an ACC opinions piece.

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It is amazing what Burke has done but we need to let the season play out at the very least. My concern is he can circle the wagons and play on emotion these last games under the circumstances with the head coach being fired but can he do that over several seasons? I am not saying he can't but I would certainly interview others also. If he can't then you are stuck with a guy who wouldn't get many, if any, Division 1 head coach interviews.

One thing about it is coaching matters and it further illustrates just how weak McGrath was as a head coach. Good job in making a tough, but correct, decision Jimmy Bass.
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(01-28-2020 09:40 PM)94Hawk Wrote:  It is amazing what Burke has done but we need to let the season play out at the very least. My concern is he can circle the wagons and play on emotion these last games under the circumstances with the head coach being fired but can he do that over several seasons?

Burke certainly has ramped up the emotion/enthusiasm level. But on-court schemes have actually been changed. Lineups have been adjusted. Court-side coaching decisions have improved.

The improved results (so far ) have come because Burke (and the other two assistants) have changed both the energy level AND made substantive changes as well.

I fully understand lining up potential coaches to be interviewed. But wouldn't it be great if the Seahawks pull off the kind of finish to this season that makes those interviews unneccessary?
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(01-29-2020 06:17 AM)70shawk Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 09:40 PM)94Hawk Wrote:  It is amazing what Burke has done but we need to let the season play out at the very least. My concern is he can circle the wagons and play on emotion these last games under the circumstances with the head coach being fired but can he do that over several seasons?

Burke certainly has ramped up the emotion/enthusiasm level. But on-court schemes have actually been changed. Lineups have been adjusted. Court-side coaching decisions have improved.

The improved results (so far ) have come because Burke (and the other two assistants) have changed both the energy level AND made substantive changes as well.

I fully understand lining up potential coaches to be interviewed. But wouldn't it be great if the Seahawks pull off the kind of finish to this season that makes those interviews unneccessary?

If you read up on the histroy of Burke, that's his personality and it won't change. It's the way he played and it's the way he has always coached. He may look young, but his coaching career is in the 20 year range. There are coaches out there now who coach like he does and have teams that play to that level of effort and enthusiasm he expects. Buzz Williams and Bob Huggins are great examples.

The best part of all is that he has openly stated that this is the level of effort and play that he expects in practice and on the court and always has. And that this is the only way he knows to win. I can also tell you that Keatts expected the same level of practice and play as well, even though he isn't as animated on the court.
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(01-29-2020 07:10 AM)82hawk Wrote:  
(01-29-2020 06:17 AM)70shawk Wrote:  
(01-28-2020 09:40 PM)94Hawk Wrote:  It is amazing what Burke has done but we need to let the season play out at the very least. My concern is he can circle the wagons and play on emotion these last games under the circumstances with the head coach being fired but can he do that over several seasons?

Burke certainly has ramped up the emotion/enthusiasm level. But on-court schemes have actually been changed. Lineups have been adjusted. Court-side coaching decisions have improved.

The improved results (so far ) have come because Burke (and the other two assistants) have changed both the energy level AND made substantive changes as well.

I fully understand lining up potential coaches to be interviewed. But wouldn't it be great if the Seahawks pull off the kind of finish to this season that makes those interviews unneccessary?

If you read up on the histroy of Burke, that's his personality and it won't change. It's the way he played and it's the way he has always coached. He may look young, but his coaching career is in the 20 year range. There are coaches out there now who coach like he does and have teams that play to that level of effort and enthusiasm he expects. Buzz Williams and Bob Huggins are great examples.

The best part of all is that he has openly stated that this is the level of effort and play that he expects in practice and on the court and always has. And that this is the only way he knows to win. I can also tell you that Keatts expected the same level of practice and play as well, even though he isn't as animated on the court.

So you guys saying you all want Burke?? Things you got to think about and remember. He has been on this staff already and look at the lack of recruiting... Can this staff recruit compare to other conference teams?? Does he have the connections through the country like other coaches. You guys have mentioned other names that are way more connected. It is my personal opinion only, but you guys need to grab a coach or an assistant coach that has been with a bigger university, the seem to have more connected and can land the recruits.
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(02-18-2020 09:11 AM)Uncwnew2theboard Wrote:  So you guys saying you all want Burke?? Things you got to think about and remember. He has been on this staff already and look at the lack of recruiting... Can this staff recruit compare to other conference teams?? Does he have the connections through the country like other coaches. You guys have mentioned other names that are way more connected. It is my personal opinion only, but you guys need to grab a coach or an assistant coach that has been with a bigger university, the seem to have more connected and can land the recruits.

McGrath was an assistant with a bigger University and a pretty good recruiter. That didn't work out well.

You can end up with a Keatts or you can end up with a McGrath when you go the assistant route, and anywhere in between. You also are likely to find a guy who doesn't consider UNCW a destination but rather a stepping stone that he needs to leave at the first chance he gets.

Give me someone with HC experience and who can leave most of the recruiting to his assistants, and who if he leaves, also potentially can help create a new coaching tree to maintain stability.

If no quality coaches with HC experience are available, then yes, I'd rather go with Burke than an assistant.
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What Rob Burke has done as a coach has been night/day from what McGrath was doing. It's reasonable to think he could succeed here. I think he has enough connections within the region and on the JUCO level to recruit the talent needed to win here. In my opinion he's going to have to win 2 of the last 3 and at least 1 game at the CAA Tournament to have a legitimate shot at getting the job.
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