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RE: Penny, one thing you haven't gotten right ...
(01-17-2020 10:11 AM)misplaced tiger Wrote:  
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(01-17-2020 09:16 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  I must be the only one who isnt overly worried about the TOs.

You have a bunch of freshmen and two sophomores who are running at breakneck speed, trying to do things that they are just now learning how to do, and make stupid mistakes over and over again. As long as they have it cleaned up some by March, I am fine with it. And when I say cleaned up some, thats what I mean, just some. Because of the style of play, I expect to see TOs. Atleast until we have some juniors on the team.

Agree 100%

Here is why you should be worried. Our opponents are getting up more total shots than us in almost every game. We have to shoot a really good percent to overcome that. Our defense is our saving grace, but the turnovers are almost negating the impact of our defense.

Last 4 games

Cincy 60 shots vs. Mem 51
USF 50 shots vs. Mem 42
WSU 67 shots vs. Mem 56
UGA 61 shots vs. Mem 61

I have plenty of things to be "worried" about in life. Basketball is not one of them. But you knock yourself out.
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RE: Penny, one thing you haven't gotten right ...
(01-17-2020 10:13 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  
(01-17-2020 10:11 AM)misplaced tiger Wrote:  
(01-17-2020 09:25 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  
(01-17-2020 09:16 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  I must be the only one who isnt overly worried about the TOs.

You have a bunch of freshmen and two sophomores who are running at breakneck speed, trying to do things that they are just now learning how to do, and make stupid mistakes over and over again. As long as they have it cleaned up some by March, I am fine with it. And when I say cleaned up some, thats what I mean, just some. Because of the style of play, I expect to see TOs. Atleast until we have some juniors on the team.
ooo

Agree 100%

Here is why you should be worried. Our opponents are getting up more total shots than us in almost every game. We have to shoot a really good percent to overcome that. Our defense is our saving grace, but the turnovers are almost negating the impact of our defense.

Last 4 games

Cincy 60 shots vs. Mem 51
USF 50 shots vs. Mem 42
WSU 67 shots vs. Mem 56
UGA 61 shots vs. Mem 61

I have plenty of things to be "worried" about in life. Basketball is not one of them. But you knock yourself out.

Ain't that the truth^^^^
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RE: Penny, one thing you haven't gotten right ...
(01-17-2020 10:20 AM)450bench Wrote:  
(01-17-2020 10:13 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  
(01-17-2020 10:11 AM)misplaced tiger Wrote:  
(01-17-2020 09:25 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  
(01-17-2020 09:16 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  I must be the only one who isnt overly worried about the TOs.

You have a bunch of freshmen and two sophomores who are running at breakneck speed, trying to do things that they are just now learning how to do, and make stupid mistakes over and over again. As long as they have it cleaned up some by March, I am fine with it. And when I say cleaned up some, thats what I mean, just some. Because of the style of play, I expect to see TOs. Atleast until we have some juniors on the team.
ooo

Agree 100%

Here is why you should be worried. Our opponents are getting up more total shots than us in almost every game. We have to shoot a really good percent to overcome that. Our defense is our saving grace, but the turnovers are almost negating the impact of our defense.

Last 4 games

Cincy 60 shots vs. Mem 51
USF 50 shots vs. Mem 42
WSU 67 shots vs. Mem 56
UGA 61 shots vs. Mem 61

I have plenty of things to be "worried" about in life. Basketball is not one of them. But you knock yourself out.

Ain't that the truth^^^^

I third that! This year's team is a fun one to watch. We're seeing the beginning of the Penny Hardaway coaching era evolve right before our eyes...and it is fun to watch! 04-cheers
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RE: Penny, one thing you haven't gotten right ...
(01-16-2020 09:54 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote:  
(01-16-2020 09:47 PM)chrisd11 Wrote:  
(01-16-2020 09:27 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote:  When you play fast, you turn the ball over more. When you play freshmen, you turn the ball over more. I think with a 14-3 record, we can live with being called out on turnovers.

After 16 games there is no excuse for turning the ball over this much. We are always looking for the homerun pass. We play dumb.

When someone makes an idiotic, unforced turnover (like we do at least 10 times per game) that guy should be immediately benched, like any normal coach would do and coach him from the bench to correct it.

We're supposed to be this run and gun pressing team and we force 17 TO's per game. Only problem is we turn it over 17 times per game ourselves. It's fine to play fast to turn the other team over. In reality we play too fast for OUR guys to handle it.

We can be an elite team if this gets corrected. I hope it happens.

This dumb, turnover prone young team had a great win tonite!!

Yeah what he said.
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(01-17-2020 10:58 AM)GermantownTiger Wrote:  
(01-17-2020 10:20 AM)450bench Wrote:  
(01-17-2020 10:13 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  
(01-17-2020 10:11 AM)misplaced tiger Wrote:  
(01-17-2020 09:25 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  ooo

Agree 100%

Here is why you should be worried. Our opponents are getting up more total shots than us in almost every game. We have to shoot a really good percent to overcome that. Our defense is our saving grace, but the turnovers are almost negating the impact of our defense.

Last 4 games

Cincy 60 shots vs. Mem 51
USF 50 shots vs. Mem 42
WSU 67 shots vs. Mem 56
UGA 61 shots vs. Mem 61

I have plenty of things to be "worried" about in life. Basketball is not one of them. But you knock yourself out.

Ain't that the truth^^^^

I third that! This year's team is a fun one to watch. We're seeing the beginning of the Penny Hardaway coaching era evolve right before our eyes...and it is fun to watch! 04-cheers

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Being "worried" is just fan talk people. He isn't saying you should send up prayers at night because of it. Fans talk that way, we all know it.
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(01-17-2020 10:13 AM)gusrob Wrote:  
(01-17-2020 09:55 AM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(01-17-2020 09:53 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  Beat defense we've had since Cal

Without a doubt...

Defensively this team is top notch.

And that's supposed to be the hardest thing to teach freshmen. Penny has very talented freshmen buying into team. Team D. Sharing ball on O. It's impressive. We're starting to take it for granted.

Exactly. Anyone that don’t think Penny is doing a GREAT job at coaching this team is out of their mind.
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(01-17-2020 10:13 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  
(01-17-2020 10:11 AM)misplaced tiger Wrote:  
(01-17-2020 09:25 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  
(01-17-2020 09:16 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  I must be the only one who isnt overly worried about the TOs.

You have a bunch of freshmen and two sophomores who are running at breakneck speed, trying to do things that they are just now learning how to do, and make stupid mistakes over and over again. As long as they have it cleaned up some by March, I am fine with it. And when I say cleaned up some, thats what I mean, just some. Because of the style of play, I expect to see TOs. Atleast until we have some juniors on the team.

Agree 100%

Here is why you should be worried. Our opponents are getting up more total shots than us in almost every game. We have to shoot a really good percent to overcome that. Our defense is our saving grace, but the turnovers are almost negating the impact of our defense.

Last 4 games

Cincy 60 shots vs. Mem 51
USF 50 shots vs. Mem 42
WSU 67 shots vs. Mem 56
UGA 61 shots vs. Mem 61

I have plenty of things to be "worried" about in life. Basketball is not one of them. But you knock yourself out.

Amen brother!! I’m enjoying this young team and coaching staff grow. They are really doing well! 14-3 and the best player in the country quit the team.
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As for Penny and Tiger BB, If you ain’t getting high off it, you ain’t doing it right ...
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(01-17-2020 02:50 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  As for Penny and Tiger BB, If you ain’t getting high off it, you ain’t doing it right ...

The colors the colors!!

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(01-17-2020 10:11 AM)misplaced tiger Wrote:  
(01-17-2020 09:25 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  
(01-17-2020 09:16 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  I must be the only one who isnt overly worried about the TOs.

You have a bunch of freshmen and two sophomores who are running at breakneck speed, trying to do things that they are just now learning how to do, and make stupid mistakes over and over again. As long as they have it cleaned up some by March, I am fine with it. And when I say cleaned up some, thats what I mean, just some. Because of the style of play, I expect to see TOs. Atleast until we have some juniors on the team.

Agree 100%

Here is why you should be worried. Our opponents are getting up more total shots than us in almost every game. We have to shoot a really good percent to overcome that. Our defense is our saving grace, but the turnovers are almost negating the impact of our defense.

Last 4 games

Cincy 60 shots vs. Mem 51
USF 50 shots vs. Mem 42
WSU 67 shots vs. Mem 56
UGA 61 shots vs. Mem 61

Will it make YOU feel better if others agree that turnovers are bad?

There is always someone who seizes on a negative and will not rest until everyone agrees that indeed, if that negative wags the dog, it will be a bad thing

Yes, if there is a game where the other team gets a lot more shots and makes them we will lose again

Of course

But EVERYONE knows that and wants the team to work on that without giving up the faster paced style which helps win
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RE: Penny, one thing you haven't gotten right ...
Look, a lot of people want to live in a black and white world, good/bad, rich/poor, winner/loser, but that world is an illusion.
Many of us live in a grey world, with multiple shades that are hard to distinguish unless you look closely.

Is Coach Hardaway a good coach? Yes. Watch any press conference or practice, he’s smart with a high basketball IQ, and he really connects with his players with a very specific (maybe subtle) style. He’s a high performer. When you work with high performers a lot you’ll find that even the slightest details require attention.
Does he have areas of weakness or inexperience? Yes, but don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.
Some of us want to openly discuss those areas in detail without saying he’s a terrible coach.

The number of turnovers is a problem. It is related to style of play. Until Coach addresses this area the ceiling on this team is more limited.
Quoting the record is pointless. Some of us know the record vs top 100 teams is only 5-3.
Coach has shown his ability to be flexible, learn from mistakes. We saw it during last years team. This year rebounding and defense has really gotten better. He’s evolving the lineup.
It’s funny, I’m the same age as Penny and in many ways he share’s a lot of Coach Finch’s style, most good, yet some bad. I could make a list, but not now. I’m happy with our record as it is...but I’m worried about playing in conference on the road based on a few of the items that have been brought up.....
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(01-16-2020 10:08 PM)tharmon15 Wrote:  Definitely think Penny wants to be liked more than he should. It seems that there is a lack of discipline from Penny and Co in practices.

Yes, they are freshman. But the degree of stupid, unforced turnovers is unacceptable. Guys need to know there is negative consequences for careless play, and I just don’t think that happens too often.

I could be completely wrong, and Penny could really be holding them accountable to an acceptable degree in practice and games, but it sure doesn’t seem like it.
Not to be argumentative but:

I don't think that's true. Out of curiosity how many practices have you attended?

Secondly that team and players aren't stupid, they are young.

I believe you are wrong.

Penny has shown himself willing to shake the lineup up but no doubt he has told these young men he would play a deep lineup. Shouldn't he keep his word, unlike JW? He asks this team to do more than score.

Lastly, conjunction junction what's your function?
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(01-17-2020 10:56 PM)ShilohTiger Wrote:  Look, a lot of people want to live in a black and white world, good/bad, rich/poor, winner/loser, but that world is an illusion.
Many of us live in a grey world, with multiple shades that are hard to distinguish unless you look closely.

Is Coach Hardaway a good coach? Yes. Watch any press conference or practice, he’s smart with a high basketball IQ, and he really connects with his players with a very specific (maybe subtle) style. He’s a high performer. When you work with high performers a lot you’ll find that even the slightest details require attention.
Does he have areas of weakness or inexperience? Yes, but don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.
Some of us want to openly discuss those areas in detail without saying he’s a terrible coach.

The number of turnovers is a problem. It is related to style of play. Until Coach addresses this area the ceiling on this team is more limited.
Quoting the record is pointless. Some of us know the record vs top 100 teams is only 5-3.
Coach has shown his ability to be flexible, learn from mistakes. We saw it during last years team. This year rebounding and defense has really gotten better. He’s evolving the lineup.
It’s funny, I’m the same age as Penny and in many ways he share’s a lot of Coach Finch’s style, most good, yet some bad. I could make a list, but not now. I’m happy with our record as it is...but I’m worried about playing in conference on the road based on a few of the items that have been brought up.....

Penny is "chill"
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After watching UNC playing Pittsburgh this morning.. I am not complaining about my Tigers for a while.. That gotta be one of the worst UNC teams I have ever seen.. Can't believe they were highly ranked this year.. Even Roy Williams wants to quit!
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UNC having a down year is very gratifying for me. 43-23 after the half, go Pitt! 02-13-banana
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RE: Penny, one thing you haven't gotten right ...
(01-18-2020 10:00 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  
(01-16-2020 10:08 PM)tharmon15 Wrote:  Definitely think Penny wants to be liked more than he should. It seems that there is a lack of discipline from Penny and Co in practices.

Yes, they are freshman. But the degree of stupid, unforced turnovers is unacceptable. Guys need to know there is negative consequences for careless play, and I just don’t think that happens too often.

I could be completely wrong, and Penny could really be holding them accountable to an acceptable degree in practice and games, but it sure doesn’t seem like it.
Not to be argumentative but:

I don't think that's true. Out of curiosity how many practices have you attended?

Secondly that team and players aren't stupid, they are young.

I believe you are wrong.

Penny has shown himself willing to shake the lineup up but no doubt he has told these young men he would play a deep lineup. Shouldn't he keep his word, unlike JW? He asks this team to do more than score.

Lastly, conjunction junction what's your function?

First of all, this is just my opinion, which is what a message board entails.

You believe that I am wrong, and I sure could be, which is what I had said.

I did not call the players stupid or this team stupid. A lot of the turnovers we commit are, in fact, stupid turnovers. I define stupid turnovers as turnovers that are committed without the defense effecting them hardly at all. If we cut out those kinds of turnovers, I can live with the other ones.

Of course, I cannot say any of these opinions for certainty, because, well, they are opinions. I don’t think it’s fair to cast all of the turnovers we commit each game solely due to them being freshman. There is a lot of uncontrolled chaos in our games, and I understand Penny wants chaos. However, Penny wants this chaos to be controlled chaos I would imagine. Again, Penny could be the most disciplined coach in America in his practices, film study, shootarounds, etc. From my personal opinion, the game play thus far, albeit they are freshman, does not lead me to believe that is the case. Not saying it is the worst, but rather it could be better.

“Shouldn’t Penny keep his word unlike JW?” If a coach tells player A that he will play minutes each game, and five games in player A regresses tremendously. He no longer warrants playing time at all, because it is not good for the team. Should that coach continue to play that player solely because of what he had told him even though it is hurting the team? Of course not. That’s not him lying or being dishonest, that is him being a good coach. I think Penny has adjusted and will adjust his lineup as the games continue. A good coach does that.

Lastly, there wouldn’t be a message board without a grammar police. Appreciate it 04-cheers

I love Penny, and I love this team. I think Penny is improving as a coach.

Today is my daughter’s first birthday, and tomorrow I am moving to a foreign country to be a missionary. Life is good!

GTG!
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(01-18-2020 10:00 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  
(01-16-2020 10:08 PM)tharmon15 Wrote:  Definitely think Penny wants to be liked more than he should. It seems that there is a lack of discipline from Penny and Co in practices.

Yes, they are freshman. But the degree of stupid, unforced turnovers is unacceptable. Guys need to know there is negative consequences for careless play, and I just don’t think that happens too often.

I could be completely wrong, and Penny could really be holding them accountable to an acceptable degree in practice and games, but it sure doesn’t seem like it.
Not to be argumentative but:

1. I don't think that's true. Out of curiosity how many practices have you attended?

2. Secondly that team and players aren't stupid, they are young.

I believe you are wrong.

3.Penny has shown himself willing to shake the lineup up but no doubt he has told these young men he would play a deep lineup. Shouldn't he keep his word, unlike JW? He asks this team to do more than score.

4. Lastly, conjunction junction what's your function?

1. I agree. Bilas actually did attend practice. I'm not a Jay fan, but in this case his opinion is wellfounded on many years of BB experience. Bilas said he was impressed (very impressed) with the complex defense systems that Penny was teaching our players. Bilas also said he was impressed with our players' ability to understand and carry out these extremely complex defensive strategies.

2. So...calling our players stupid automatically disqualifies a poster's opinion. lol. If some of our fans want to go back to Tubby Time, we could just hold the ball till the end of the shot clock. I think we got about half as many shots off using that approach and no one ever knew who was supposed to score. (Thankfully Martin could create his own shot.)

3. As Mimi mentioned, there are always a few Tiger 'fans' who seize on the most negative thing about a joyous win. Plus they desperately need others to agree with them. It's an interesting phenomenon that sets up their serious need to be 'right'. These types are probably more fun in person. 'Cause nobody would want to hang with them during a real game. They might even fist-pump at the saddest Tiger moments.

4. 02-13-banana hooking up words and phrases and clauses...
(and complex sentences)
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(01-18-2020 01:22 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  
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(01-16-2020 10:08 PM)tharmon15 Wrote:  Definitely think Penny wants to be liked more than he should. It seems that there is a lack of discipline from Penny and Co in practices.

Yes, they are freshman. But the degree of stupid, unforced turnovers is unacceptable. Guys need to know there is negative consequences for careless play, and I just don’t think that happens too often.

I could be completely wrong, and Penny could really be holding them accountable to an acceptable degree in practice and games, but it sure doesn’t seem like it.
Not to be argumentative but:

1. I don't think that's true. Out of curiosity how many practices have you attended?

2. Secondly that team and players aren't stupid, they are young.

I believe you are wrong.

3.Penny has shown himself willing to shake the lineup up but no doubt he has told these young men he would play a deep lineup. Shouldn't he keep his word, unlike JW? He asks this team to do more than score.

4. Lastly, conjunction junction what's your function?

1. I agree. Bilas actually did attend practice. I'm not a Jay fan, but in this case his opinion is wellfounded on many years of BB experience. Bilas said he was impressed (very impressed) with the complex defense systems that Penny was teaching our players. Bilas also said he was impressed with our players' ability to understand and carry out these extremely complex defensive strategies.

2. So...calling our players stupid automatically disqualifies a poster's opinion. lol. If some of our fans want to go back to Tubby Time, we could just hold the ball till the end of the shot clock. I think we got about half as many shots off using that approach and no one ever knew who was supposed to score. (Thankfully Martin could create his own shot.)

3. As Mimi mentioned, there are always a few Tiger 'fans' who seize on the most negative thing about a joyous win. Plus they desperately need others to agree with them. It's an interesting phenomenon that sets up their serious need to be 'right'. These types are probably more fun in person. 'Cause nobody would want to hang with them during a real game. They might even fist-pump at the saddest Tiger moments.

4. 02-13-banana hooking up words and phrases and clauses...
(and complex sentences)

I am just curious where I called our players stupid? I did say they force stupid turnovers. I don’t recall calling them stupid. That would be wrong and ridiculous.

Thanks for your input on everything else, bro.

Go Tigers.
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(01-18-2020 01:26 PM)tharmon15 Wrote:  
(01-18-2020 01:22 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  
(01-18-2020 10:00 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  
(01-16-2020 10:08 PM)tharmon15 Wrote:  Definitely think Penny wants to be liked more than he should. It seems that there is a lack of discipline from Penny and Co in practices.

Yes, they are freshman. But the degree of stupid, unforced turnovers is unacceptable. Guys need to know there is negative consequences for careless play, and I just don’t think that happens too often.

I could be completely wrong, and Penny could really be holding them accountable to an acceptable degree in practice and games, but it sure doesn’t seem like it.
Not to be argumentative but:

1. I don't think that's true. Out of curiosity how many practices have you attended?

2. Secondly that team and players aren't stupid, they are young.

I believe you are wrong.

3.Penny has shown himself willing to shake the lineup up but no doubt he has told these young men he would play a deep lineup. Shouldn't he keep his word, unlike JW? He asks this team to do more than score.

4. Lastly, conjunction junction what's your function?

1. I agree. Bilas actually did attend practice. I'm not a Jay fan, but in this case his opinion is wellfounded on many years of BB experience. Bilas said he was impressed (very impressed) with the complex defense systems that Penny was teaching our players. Bilas also said he was impressed with our players' ability to understand and carry out these extremely complex defensive strategies.

2. So...calling our players stupid automatically disqualifies a poster's opinion. lol. If some of our fans want to go back to Tubby Time, we could just hold the ball till the end of the shot clock. I think we got about half as many shots off using that approach and no one ever knew who was supposed to score. (Thankfully Martin could create his own shot.)

3. As Mimi mentioned, there are always a few Tiger 'fans' who seize on the most negative thing about a joyous win. Plus they desperately need others to agree with them. It's an interesting phenomenon that sets up their serious need to be 'right'. These types are probably more fun in person. 'Cause nobody would want to hang with them during a real game. They might even fist-pump at the saddest Tiger moments.

4. 02-13-banana hooking up words and phrases and clauses...
(and complex sentences)

I am just curious where I called our players stupid? I did say they force stupid turnovers. I don’t recall calling them stupid. That would be wrong and ridiculous.

Thanks for your input on everything else, bro.

Go Tigers.

I was responding to Tigerpawr who happened to quote your post--which I didn't read.

you're welcome, sis. lol
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