I spoke with him when he was at uncw for the game that was on CBS sports. I told him the majority of the people I knew did not like flow sports and could we get out of the contract and he said no. I told him no one would go look for caa teams on flow sports and we needed to be on espn+. He said some schools did not want to upgrade to espn production standards plus we got 10 games on cbss. I did not discuss my dislike of the caa tourney be playing in dc. I feel he is a weak commissioner and needs to be replaced.

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As much as others agree, and I am glad you had that conversation with him, if the individual schools are not willing to improve for the betterment of themselves and the conferences, it is hard to fully put blame on the commish. That is a real shame if the schools indeed did not want to upgrade themselves.

With that said, has there been any positive moves he has made since taking over? Yeager for all of his ineptitude late in his tenure, he at least had some shining moments and things you can point to as clear successes. What has Joey done? Best I can come up with was he finally moved the CAAT to other locations (even though he was kinda forced to) despite the fact it was only done after the defections of the powerful fanbases. Beyond that, I have nothing. At least nothing that attempts to move this conference forwards as opposed to just sitting around and praying for a miracle.

While we need to concentrate on bringing our program up first, having a commissioner with no spine has been a cancer to the CAA. I know the conference itself is nowhere near the richest in the NCAA. But we can't afford to continue to compromise and accept mediocre deals. For example, when our previous commish announced we were going to grow the strength of the CAA. And then turned around and cut the baseball tournament for the CAA to four teams. While a number of conferences were going to at least eight teams, we went from six to four. Just one example of weakness in leadership. They did eventually go back to six. But we are still not catching up to looking like a serious and growing conference. We need a more confident commissioner that's willing to push the envelope and not settle for just a job they can comfortably retire in. And for that to happen, we need full buy-in and support from every school.

(01-16-2020 12:59 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  While we need to concentrate on bringing our program up first, having a commissioner with no spine has been a cancer to the CAA. I know the conference itself is nowhere near the richest in the NCAA. But we can't afford to continue to compromise and accept mediocre deals. For example, when our previous commish announced we were going to grow the strength of the CAA. And then turned around and cut the baseball tournament for the CAA to four teams. While a number of conferences were going to at least eight teams, we went from six to four. Just one example of weakness in leadership. They did eventually go back to six. But we are still not catching up to looking like a serious and growing conference. We need a more confident commissioner that's willing to push the envelope and not settle for just a job they can comfortably retire in. And for that to happen, we need full buy-in and support from every school.

The CAA is a sinking ship and has been for years. I don't know where a UNCW can go but the CAA is a terrible fit for many reasons.

(01-16-2020 03:19 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 12:59 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  While we need to concentrate on bringing our program up first, having a commissioner with no spine has been a cancer to the CAA. I know the conference itself is nowhere near the richest in the NCAA. But we can't afford to continue to compromise and accept mediocre deals. For example, when our previous commish announced we were going to grow the strength of the CAA. And then turned around and cut the baseball tournament for the CAA to four teams. While a number of conferences were going to at least eight teams, we went from six to four. Just one example of weakness in leadership. They did eventually go back to six. But we are still not catching up to looking like a serious and growing conference. We need a more confident commissioner that's willing to push the envelope and not settle for just a job they can comfortably retire in. And for that to happen, we need full buy-in and support from every school.

The CAA is a sinking ship and has been for years. I don't know where a UNCW can go but the CAA is a terrible fit for many reasons.

We first need to right our own ship. At least in basketball. Most of our other sports are pretty solid. But once we get there, and the CAA is still refusing to take the right steps to grow, then we need to move on.

Why would you think anything would suddenly change? It will continue to spiral down if you look the model,nothing changes other than the best basketball programs leave when they can.

(01-16-2020 03:42 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 03:19 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 12:59 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  While we need to concentrate on bringing our program up first, having a commissioner with no spine has been a cancer to the CAA. I know the conference itself is nowhere near the richest in the NCAA. But we can't afford to continue to compromise and accept mediocre deals. For example, when our previous commish announced we were going to grow the strength of the CAA. And then turned around and cut the baseball tournament for the CAA to four teams. While a number of conferences were going to at least eight teams, we went from six to four. Just one example of weakness in leadership. They did eventually go back to six. But we are still not catching up to looking like a serious and growing conference. We need a more confident commissioner that's willing to push the envelope and not settle for just a job they can comfortably retire in. And for that to happen, we need full buy-in and support from every school.

The CAA is a sinking ship and has been for years. I don't know where a UNCW can go but the CAA is a terrible fit for many reasons.

We first need to right our own ship. At least in basketball. Most of our other sports are pretty solid. But once we get there, and the CAA is still refusing to take the right steps to grow, then we need to move on.

Men’s and women’s golf, Men’s tennis, men’s soccer, and baseball are pretty much the only other programs here at UNCW.

Right now we are not one of those best basketball programs. We need to get the program back where it needs to be in order for other conferences to even be interested. Our best sell right now is baseball. But that's not as good a sell as it could be with strong basketball and baseball programs. We can't go SoCon without football.

(01-16-2020 04:54 PM)seahawk1 Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 03:42 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 03:19 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 12:59 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  While we need to concentrate on bringing our program up first, having a commissioner with no spine has been a cancer to the CAA. I know the conference itself is nowhere near the richest in the NCAA. But we can't afford to continue to compromise and accept mediocre deals. For example, when our previous commish announced we were going to grow the strength of the CAA. And then turned around and cut the baseball tournament for the CAA to four teams. While a number of conferences were going to at least eight teams, we went from six to four. Just one example of weakness in leadership. They did eventually go back to six. But we are still not catching up to looking like a serious and growing conference. We need a more confident commissioner that's willing to push the envelope and not settle for just a job they can comfortably retire in. And for that to happen, we need full buy-in and support from every school.

The CAA is a sinking ship and has been for years. I don't know where a UNCW can go but the CAA is a terrible fit for many reasons.

We first need to right our own ship. At least in basketball. Most of our other sports are pretty solid. But once we get there, and the CAA is still refusing to take the right steps to grow, then we need to move on.

Men’s and women’s golf, Men’s tennis, men’s soccer, and baseball are pretty much the only other programs here at UNCW.

Softball, volleyball, track and field, swimming

(01-16-2020 05:01 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 04:54 PM)seahawk1 Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 03:42 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 03:19 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 12:59 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  While we need to concentrate on bringing our program up first, having a commissioner with no spine has been a cancer to the CAA. I know the conference itself is nowhere near the richest in the NCAA. But we can't afford to continue to compromise and accept mediocre deals. For example, when our previous commish announced we were going to grow the strength of the CAA. And then turned around and cut the baseball tournament for the CAA to four teams. While a number of conferences were going to at least eight teams, we went from six to four. Just one example of weakness in leadership. They did eventually go back to six. But we are still not catching up to looking like a serious and growing conference. We need a more confident commissioner that's willing to push the envelope and not settle for just a job they can comfortably retire in. And for that to happen, we need full buy-in and support from every school.

The CAA is a sinking ship and has been for years. I don't know where a UNCW can go but the CAA is a terrible fit for many reasons.

We first need to right our own ship. At least in basketball. Most of our other sports are pretty solid. But once we get there, and the CAA is still refusing to take the right steps to grow, then we need to move on.

Men’s and women’s golf, Men’s tennis, men’s soccer, and baseball are pretty much the only other programs here at UNCW.

Softball, volleyball, track and field, swimming

The teams you listed aren’t competing for caa titles

(01-16-2020 05:20 PM)seahawk1 Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 05:01 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 04:54 PM)seahawk1 Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 03:42 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 03:19 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  The CAA is a sinking ship and has been for years. I don't know where a UNCW can go but the CAA is a terrible fit for many reasons.

We first need to right our own ship. At least in basketball. Most of our other sports are pretty solid. But once we get there, and the CAA is still refusing to take the right steps to grow, then we need to move on.

Men’s and women’s golf, Men’s tennis, men’s soccer, and baseball are pretty much the only other programs here at UNCW.

Softball, volleyball, track and field, swimming

The teams you listed aren’t competing for caa titles

Maybe not this year. But track and field has won their share. And swimming has won more titles than any other sport we have.

Its incredibly difficult to find a GREAT fit for UNCW conference wise in the current landscape.

The CAA in its current form is a mess with a terrible media deal and awful geography

The SoCon would be suitable, but we would go from playing northern private schools to southern private schools in AL, GA and SC plus public TN schools.

The Big South is probably the best geographical fit but it would be incredibly difficult to get a competitive NCAA seed out of that conference made up of small private schools.

The A10 would be exciting but they have a big no vacancy sign and even if there was room at the inn it would be tough getting in the door

As said all we can do is right our own ship so that if/when the time.comes the A10 may consider us

The conference in the southeast that doesn't play Football is the Atlantic Sun, but it's bad at Men's Basketball and still would give you long travel. It has New Jersey Tech (who is geographically out of place and joined because they were the only Independent), Liberty in Lynchburg in southwestern Virginia, Lipscomb in Nashville, North Alabama, and four teams in Florida.

Hofstra is like that also. I don't want Hofstra to leave the CAA because there's not a good alternative. Even if the A10 wanted Hofstra, I wouldn't want to be in a 15 team conference, and I wouldn't want to be in a conference of majority Christian schools, which the A10 and MAAC are. The best fit for Hofstra in terms of travel and quality in Men's Basketball isn't possible, because it's the Ivy. The Patriot, Northeast, and America East are worse than the CAA in Men's Basketball. The Patriot gives fewer scholarships, the Northeast is horrible at Men's Basketball, and the America East has only one private school. Given that the America East has 9 teams and Hofstra is better than the AE average, I'm guessing the AE would take Hofstra, but I don't want to go there. I made up a hypothetical conference from New England down to Towson with the five northern CAA teams, and possibilities of Monmouth, Rider, Wagner, LIU, Stony Brook, Quinnipiac/Hartford/Central Connecticut State (to have one team in CT), and Bryant to have a team in Rhode Island and maybe give Northeastern a rival closer than Hofstra. Could you make up a ten team conference with some or all of the five southern CAA teams and teams from other conferences who would be willing to join?

JMU
W&M
Elon
UNCW
CofC
UNCG
High Point
Winthrop
Belmont
Wofford

(01-16-2020 11:18 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  JMU
W&M
Elon
UNCW
CofC
UNCG
High Point
Winthrop
Belmont
Ut-Chatanooga

I would love to piece together a new conference
I would replace High Point with ETSU

NCAA rules however now require a new conference to field 7 members for 8 years before they can get a mutibid so its not a realistic possibility to start from scratch

(01-16-2020 11:47 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(01-16-2020 11:18 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  JMU
W&M
Elon
UNCW
CofC
UNCG
High Point
Winthrop
Belmont
Ut-Chatanooga

I would love to piece together a new conference
I would replace High Point with ETSU

NCAA rules however now require a new conference to field 7 members for 8 years before they can get a mutibid so its not a realistic possibility to start from scratch

I thought of ETSU, but they are back in the SoCon with restarting football. Realized UT-CH is also. Don't think those teams would leave the SoCon. So I replaced with Coastal Carolina. Even though they are probably a long shot.

(01-16-2020 11:18 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  JMU
W&M
Elon
UNCW
CofC
UNCG
High Point
Winthrop
Belmont
Wofford

I think you'd need a few more members for football, maybe add Delaware/Towson and Nova/UR football only and I'm down.

Too many moving parts to create a new conference.

The best solution is to expand enough to have a north/south division

Southern Division - CofC, UNCW, Elon, William and Mary, JMU, UNCG(fartherest distance by vehicle 7 hours 33 min)

Northern division - NU, Hofstra, Drexel, Delaware, Towson, Stony Brook(fatherst distance by vehicle 6 hours 33 min)

UNCG would probably be very interested with that setup. They are more like the CAA schools than the SoCon schools. Not sure about Stony Brook. Maybe there is a better school that would be interested.

We currently play an 18 game conference schedule. If we played each division team home/home, that would be 10 games. We could then play four teams from the other division home/home to get to 18 games. Play the same four teams and rotate out two teams each year.

Since CAA football is a separate entity with separate teams, bringing in Stony Brook with football and UNCG without football shouldn't matter. Both schools fit our student profile and have 20,000+ students. This would help with travel cost, class time and create a better geographic chance for rivalries to flourish and fans to travel to away games.

We could have a division tournament with the top seeds hosting and the division winners playing each other for the CAA title like the NIT tournament. We need to face the fact the CAA does not have a geographic center anymore where we can draw huge crowds for a centralized tournament. That worked when we had it in Richmond and the Virginia teams could pack the house. We also don't have national fan bases that will show up at games in far away places, or large numbers of fans who will travel long distances for a tournament. A home game between the top two seeds for a trip to the NCAA tournament would be electric. It might even create some excitement at a Northeastern, where drawing fans to the program has been difficult.

We'd have to figure out the auto bid for the NIT.

If Hofstra has some problem with Stony Brook, too bad. If there is some sort of hate involved, all the better. It might create the best rivalry in the CAA based on proximity. They alread play each other OOC.

Based on that set up why not just do a 16 game schedule? H/H in your division and 1 game against each team in the other division alternating H/A each year. That way teams have more flexibility in scheduling OOC to improve chances for another bid. More games mean teams can take more chances or each have a buy road game that didnt fit nicely prior. I get more big leagues are going to 20 games to remove smaller conferences chances, but I wouldnt mind going the other way in an attempt to improve our chances.

(01-17-2020 05:31 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Southern Division - CofC, UNCW, Elon, William and Mary, JMU, UNCG(fartherest distance by vehicle 7 hours 33 min)

Northern division - NU, Hofstra, Drexel, Delaware, Towson, Stony Brook(fatherst distance by vehicle 6 hours 33 min)

This is my ideal setup too

I think Stony Brook would join as they would probably like to have all their spots in the CAA as opposed to being football only. Not sure about UNCG