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(01-17-2020 08:20 AM)dan10 Wrote:  Based on that set up why not just do a 16 game schedule? H/H in your division and 1 game against each team in the other division alternating H/A each year. That way teams have more flexibility in scheduling OOC to improve chances for another bid. More games mean teams can take more chances or each have a buy road game that didnt fit nicely prior. I get more big leagues are going to 20 games to remove smaller conferences chances, but I wouldnt mind going the other way in an attempt to improve our chances.


That would work. My point is that a two division CAA is far superior to what we have now or what we could create with a new conference that will never happen. We can work out the best setup in whatever manner is agreed upon.
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Can't see why UNCG would leave the SoCon for that,makes zero sense for them.
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(01-17-2020 01:08 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Can't see why UNCG would leave the SoCon for that,makes zero sense for them.

I agree.

Also, I find I get zero out of discussing conference alignment dreams, etc.

I'm with 33. We need to fix our house first, then worry about the neighborhood and/or leave it.
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(01-17-2020 01:13 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  [quote='jumpinmullet' pid='16618252' dateline='1579284502']
Also, I find I get zero out of discussing conference alignment dreams, etc.

Yep. We have this conversation every year. Every year we come up with our "dream conference" as if there's any hope whatsoever that would happen.
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Well at this point the CAA needs to expand to 12 and cut down to 16 games

I agree UNCG has no real reason to move but there are others who might be interested
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(01-16-2020 11:47 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-16-2020 11:18 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  JMU
W&M
Elon
UNCW
CofC
UNCG
High Point
Winthrop
Belmont
Ut-Chatanooga

I would love to piece together a new conference
I would replace High Point with ETSU

NCAA rules however now require a new conference to field 7 members for 8 years before they can get a mutibid so its not a realistic possibility to start from scratch

A howling argument for changing NCAA rules. Wouldn’t you love to see non-Power 5 schools form a Tea Party and wave the BS flag regarding how the rules hamstring them?
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(01-17-2020 06:10 PM)Florida tribe fan Wrote:  
(01-16-2020 11:47 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-16-2020 11:18 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  JMU
W&M
Elon
UNCW
CofC
UNCG
High Point
Winthrop
Belmont
Ut-Chatanooga

I would love to piece together a new conference
I would replace High Point with ETSU

NCAA rules however now require a new conference to field 7 members for 8 years before they can get a mutibid so its not a realistic possibility to start from scratch

A howling argument for changing NCAA rules. Wouldn’t you love to see non-Power 5 schools form a Tea Party and wave the BS flag regarding how the rules hamstring them?

I think the intent behind the rule to prevent more auto bids to the NCAA tournament

The last thing the NCAA wants is for a conference to split and both halves need an auto bid. This rule prevents that from happening. Most conferences have their own geographic area or niche and have no desire to split

The CAA is in the minority here due to their lack of vision in regards to football v basketball and picking a geographic region.
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(01-17-2020 01:08 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote:  Can't see why UNCG would leave the SoCon for that,makes zero sense for them.

In our current setup they wouldn't. With a n/s division they gain better exposure up north to recruit students and athletes. They raise their academic profile, and they gain rivalries with bigger schools leading to better attendance.
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(01-17-2020 06:10 PM)Florida tribe fan Wrote:  
(01-16-2020 11:47 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-16-2020 11:18 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  JMU
W&M
Elon
UNCW
CofC
UNCG
High Point
Winthrop
Belmont
Ut-Chatanooga

I would love to piece together a new conference
I would replace High Point with ETSU

NCAA rules however now require a new conference to field 7 members for 8 years before they can get a mutibid so its not a realistic possibility to start from scratch

A howling argument for changing NCAA rules. Wouldn’t you love to see non-Power 5 schools form a Tea Party and wave the BS flag regarding how the rules hamstring them?

TBH I think the NCAA would be largely indifferent. I bet the CFB National Championship game got more viewers than every CAA football game combined.
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(01-17-2020 06:22 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-17-2020 06:10 PM)Florida tribe fan Wrote:  
(01-16-2020 11:47 PM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-16-2020 11:18 PM)SEA33HAWK Wrote:  JMU
W&M
Elon
UNCW
CofC
UNCG
High Point
Winthrop
Belmont
Ut-Chatanooga

I would love to piece together a new conference
I would replace High Point with ETSU

NCAA rules however now require a new conference to field 7 members for 8 years before they can get a mutibid so its not a realistic possibility to start from scratch

A howling argument for changing NCAA rules. Wouldn’t you love to see non-Power 5 schools form a Tea Party and wave the BS flag regarding how the rules hamstring them?

I think the intent behind the rule to prevent more auto bids to the NCAA tournament

The last thing the NCAA wants is for a conference to split and both halves need an auto bid. This rule prevents that from happening. Most conferences have their own geographic area or niche and have no desire to split

The CAA is in the minority here due to their lack of vision in regards to football v basketball and picking a geographic region.

Concur that the precise intent of the rule is to prevent more auto bids. The beneficiaries of such a rule are Power 5 schools.

I do not know what the CAA commissioner’s work day involves. My contention is that on some days it should include publicly advocating for NCAA regulations that are as beneficial to CAA members as Power 5 members. On Selection Sunday there will only be nine or ten leagues that receive at-large bids. This list will not include the CAA.

The NCAA tournament generates sufficient revenue such that a handful more auto bids won’t create a hardship for those presently on the receiving end of almost all of the largesse. Tournament revenue could also be used to compensate Power 5 teams for playing two away games per year at have not programs. A trip to any town ending in “burg” would arguably broaden their college scholarship experience.

The Power 5 teams can be expected to win the majority of these games. Such a requirement would allow the selection committee to judge whether selected teams had in fact experienced any resume deflating losses. Presently the selection committee assumes they won games they would almost never schedule if left unprompted.

These are the kinds of regulations l would like to see the commissioner calling for, in above the fold headlines on the sports page of the Wilmington paper or ESPN website. If on the other hand, he/she were to be seeking a conference construct that reduced the number of auto bids, my opinion is this would be a firing offense.

Incidentally, suspect that Ivy League members are ecstatic to be in an eight team league with an autobid. CAA attendance numbers don’t indicate that the present set of rivalries would preclude reorganization if NCAA regulations weren’t a roadblock.
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Good point about rivalries. There arent any good ones. In the old CAA they were there. Heck even Drexel made a good one with VCU from great basketball games that went down to the wire as well as a rowdy student section that bugged players and made the DAC hard to play at. The higher level league helped spur those rivalries that were non traditional. Teams like W&M and JMU always had beefs with ODU, and now they aren't here either. Getting back to good teams winning and getting fans into game can help ignite rivalries as constructed, but with poor play, its hard. Having some bad guy players wouldnt hurt either. Players like Brantley. Guys fans can rib and just like to cheer against. There are too many "nice" players, which hurts the building of rivalries. The transfer market and constantly overturning of teams, does not make it easier either as the best players who could be hated leave before that develops. Doesnt seem like there are too many 3 or 4 year "thorn in the side" "can't wait until he graduates" starters any more.

The reason I don't see this getting better soon is because there just isnt the drive from the fans any more. When you had powerful fan bases, it pushed everyone else's fans to show up or lose your home court advantage. Now we are a conference of mostly poor fan bases (yes I am aware I am talking to the one fan base who isnt). The league certainly isnt helping to promote the brand to grow on top of the schools not helping themselves either. Hopefully you guys and probably JMU can get their coaching searches right and head in the correct direction. Elon and Drexel appear to be moving that way, albeit slowly. CofC and NU will continue to be good as long as their coaches stay. I am ready for a tough competitive league again.
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(01-20-2020 09:01 AM)dan10 Wrote:  Good point about rivalries. There arent any good ones. In the old CAA they were there. Heck even Drexel made a good one with VCU from great basketball games that went down to the wire as well as a rowdy student section that bugged players and made the DAC hard to play at. The higher level league helped sput those rivalries that were non traditional. Teams like W&M and JMU always had beefs with ODU, and now they aren't here either. Getting back to good teams winning and getting fans into game can help ignite rivalries as constructed, but with poor play, its hard. Having some bad guy players wouldnt hurt either. Players like Brantley. Guys fans can rib and just like to cheer against. There are too many "nice" players, which hurts the building of rivalries. The transfer market and constantly overturning of teams, does not make it easier either as the best players who could be hated leave before that develops. Doesnt seem like there are too many 3 or 4 year "thorn in the side" "can't wait until he graduates" starters any more.

The reason I don't see this getting better soon is because there just isnt the drive from the fans any more. When you had powerful fan bases, it pushed everyone else's fans to show up or lose your home court advantage. Now we are a conference of mostly poor fan bases (yes I am aware I am talking to the one fan base who isnt). The league certainly isnt helping to promote the brand to grow on top of the schools not helping themselves either. Hopefully you guys and probably JMU can get their coaching searches right and head in the correct direction. Elon and Drexel appear to be moving that way, albeit slowly. CofC and NU will continue to be good as long as their coaches stay. I am ready for a tough competitive league again.

Exactly. The CAA in its present form makes ZERO sense. It's a conglomerate of schools that happened to end up together.

A course correction is needed and since rule restructuring is unlikely either divisions need to be made or a direction needs to be picked. By that I mean either Hofstra and NE find new homes or CoC and UNCW find new homes. This will allow the league to pick a geographic direction while maintaining the football portion which is apparently important to the league.

With UNCG unlikely to join I would make the push for Winthrop and Stony Brook and scheduling divisions

In even years UNCW, Winthrop, and CoC can be sent up north as travel partners to play against Stony Brook, Hofstra, and NE on a Th - Sat - Tues swing.

In odd years the same formula can be used to play Towson, Delaware, and Drexel while the 3 northern most schools make the trip down south.

This would save significantly on travel for all while freeing up the remainder of schedule so that there are not 2 home games in Week A and 0 home games in Week B.
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When both teams are good, UNCW-Charleston has been an excellent rivalry. That was the case even before the Cougars joined the CAA.

But yes, otherwise, there really are no good rivalries within the league. That started becoming the case all the way back when Richmond and ECU left.
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(01-20-2020 09:29 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-20-2020 09:01 AM)dan10 Wrote:  Good point about rivalries. There arent any good ones. In the old CAA they were there. Heck even Drexel made a good one with VCU from great basketball games that went down to the wire as well as a rowdy student section that bugged players and made the DAC hard to play at. The higher level league helped sput those rivalries that were non traditional. Teams like W&M and JMU always had beefs with ODU, and now they aren't here either. Getting back to good teams winning and getting fans into game can help ignite rivalries as constructed, but with poor play, its hard. Having some bad guy players wouldnt hurt either. Players like Brantley. Guys fans can rib and just like to cheer against. There are too many "nice" players, which hurts the building of rivalries. The transfer market and constantly overturning of teams, does not make it easier either as the best players who could be hated leave before that develops. Doesnt seem like there are too many 3 or 4 year "thorn in the side" "can't wait until he graduates" starters any more.

The reason I don't see this getting better soon is because there just isnt the drive from the fans any more. When you had powerful fan bases, it pushed everyone else's fans to show up or lose your home court advantage. Now we are a conference of mostly poor fan bases (yes I am aware I am talking to the one fan base who isnt). The league certainly isnt helping to promote the brand to grow on top of the schools not helping themselves either. Hopefully you guys and probably JMU can get their coaching searches right and head in the correct direction. Elon and Drexel appear to be moving that way, albeit slowly. CofC and NU will continue to be good as long as their coaches stay. I am ready for a tough competitive league again.

Exactly. The CAA in its present form makes ZERO sense. It's a conglomerate of schools that happened to end up together.

A course correction is needed and since rule restructuring is unlikely either divisions need to be made or a direction needs to be picked. By that I mean either Hofstra and NE find new homes or CoC and UNCW find new homes. This will allow the league to pick a geographic direction while maintaining the football portion which is apparently important to the league.

Any NCAA regulation change that is not proposed is in fact unlikely to be approved.

With UNCG unlikely to join I would make the push for Winthrop and Stony Brook and scheduling divisions

In even years UNCW, Winthrop, and CoC can be sent up north as travel partners to play against Stony Brook, Hofstra, and NE on a Th - Sat - Tues swing.

In odd years the same formula can be used to play Towson, Delaware, and Drexel while the 3 northern most schools make the trip down south.

This would save significantly on travel for all while freeing up the remainder of schedule so that there are not 2 home games in Week A and 0 home games in Week B.
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(01-20-2020 01:53 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  When both teams are good, UNCW-Charleston has been an excellent rivalry. That was the case even before the Cougars joined the CAA.

But yes, otherwise, there really are no good rivalries within the league. That started becoming the case all the way back when Richmond and ECU left.

UNCG would be a great rivalry for Elon and UNCW. It would also help form a tighter triangle of schools close to each other. If JMU bolted, i'd bring in High Point after briging in UNCG.
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(01-17-2020 08:27 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-17-2020 05:31 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Southern Division - CofC, UNCW, Elon, William and Mary, JMU, UNCG(fartherest distance by vehicle 7 hours 33 min)

Northern division - NU, Hofstra, Drexel, Delaware, Towson, Stony Brook(fatherst distance by vehicle 6 hours 33 min)

This is my ideal setup too

I think Stony Brook would join as they would probably like to have all their spots in the CAA as opposed to being football only. Not sure about UNCG
I prefer ten teams with a balanced schedule over anything else. I acknowledge that the current locations aren't great and your proposed additions are fair geographically. In terms of Stony Brook joining, I don't know if they want to leave SUNY rivals Albany and Binghamton.
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(01-21-2020 06:15 PM)EvanJ Wrote:  
(01-17-2020 08:27 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-17-2020 05:31 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Southern Division - CofC, UNCW, Elon, William and Mary, JMU, UNCG(fartherest distance by vehicle 7 hours 33 min)

Northern division - NU, Hofstra, Drexel, Delaware, Towson, Stony Brook(fatherst distance by vehicle 6 hours 33 min)

This is my ideal setup too

I think Stony Brook would join as they would probably like to have all their spots in the CAA as opposed to being football only. Not sure about UNCG
I prefer ten teams with a balanced schedule over anything else. I acknowledge that the current locations aren't great and your proposed additions are fair geographically. In terms of Stony Brook joining, I don't know if they want to leave SUNY rivals Albany and Binghamton.


Not to worry. These are all pipe dreams anyway. UNCG isn’t going to want to join the CAA anytime soon.


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(01-21-2020 09:47 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(01-21-2020 06:15 PM)EvanJ Wrote:  
(01-17-2020 08:27 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-17-2020 05:31 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Southern Division - CofC, UNCW, Elon, William and Mary, JMU, UNCG(fartherest distance by vehicle 7 hours 33 min)

Northern division - NU, Hofstra, Drexel, Delaware, Towson, Stony Brook(fatherst distance by vehicle 6 hours 33 min)

This is my ideal setup too

I think Stony Brook would join as they would probably like to have all their spots in the CAA as opposed to being football only. Not sure about UNCG
I prefer ten teams with a balanced schedule over anything else. I acknowledge that the current locations aren't great and your proposed additions are fair geographically. In terms of Stony Brook joining, I don't know if they want to leave SUNY rivals Albany and Binghamton.


Not to worry. These are all pipe dreams anyway. UNCG isn’t going to want to join the CAA anytime soon.


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I wouldn't be so sure about that.
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(01-21-2020 09:47 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(01-21-2020 06:15 PM)EvanJ Wrote:  
(01-17-2020 08:27 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(01-17-2020 05:31 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Southern Division - CofC, UNCW, Elon, William and Mary, JMU, UNCG(fartherest distance by vehicle 7 hours 33 min)

Northern division - NU, Hofstra, Drexel, Delaware, Towson, Stony Brook(fatherst distance by vehicle 6 hours 33 min)

This is my ideal setup too

I think Stony Brook would join as they would probably like to have all their spots in the CAA as opposed to being football only. Not sure about UNCG
I prefer ten teams with a balanced schedule over anything else. I acknowledge that the current locations aren't great and your proposed additions are fair geographically. In terms of Stony Brook joining, I don't know if they want to leave SUNY rivals Albany and Binghamton.


Not to worry. These are all pipe dreams anyway. UNCG isn’t going to want to join the CAA anytime soon.


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As in never and why would they ? There is not one valid reason for them to join a CAA when they have it made where they are now. Why step down to a lower conference that would cost them a ton of money? The current CAA has nothing to offer them or really less than zero.
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You need to check out the price of tickets for the mens caa basketball tournament. Book lower level $250 upper level over $100. Price for each round goes up. Championship game $90. It will be interesting to see how many people attend. This is another bad move by the caa commissioner office .

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