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(02-09-2020 09:25 PM)olddawg Wrote:  You guys realize that Purple will not give in, at all, ever, on anything. That's why he was aptly named Bulldog on the old boards. 04-cheers

"Give in?" Give in to what? Give in to three or four posters suggesting we violate longstanding football doctrine and not play our best players?

Really? I should give in to that? By the way, my mind has been changed many times on this board and I admitted it. I am very sorry that that isn't the case in this particular debate. If the consensus opinion here is that we should keep our best players on the bench to preserve them, uhh, yeah, call me a rebel.
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Palmer lost time not for being young- he got hurt! He was getting more and more time and when he got hurt that severely put a stop on the rest of his season. How hard is this to understand?
Perhaps there was a good reason he didn't play much when he returned. In my opinion Cignetti didn't want to destroy his career by putting him out there 20+ carries a game coming off an injury.
Cignetti has never been afraid to play the best guy. If Palmer deserves to be the starter, he'll start next year. If he doesn't, he won't.
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I'm pretty sure the top 3 or 4 rb's will be listed as co-starters on the released depth chart, so idk why it's a big deal to so many. Even if that's not the case, who cares if they all get a fair amount of carries? The # of touches is going to be spread out. Ideally, no RB will have 20 carries in a game. Keep as many guys as we can as fresh as possible over the course of the season. I can understand the postseason being handled a bit differently in terms of committee, but that's too far to plan out rn.

In terms of Cignetti's mentality? Pretty sure Vanhorse got the nod over other players at the beginning of the season because he outplayed them, so take that for what it's worth.
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(02-10-2020 09:12 AM)Purple Wrote:  
(02-09-2020 09:25 PM)olddawg Wrote:  You guys realize that Purple will not give in, at all, ever, on anything. That's why he was aptly named Bulldog on the old boards. 04-cheers

"Give in?" Give in to what? Give in to three or four posters suggesting we (in my Opinion) violate longstanding football doctrine and not play our (in my Opinion) best players?

Really? I should give in to that? By the way, my mind has been changed many times on this board and I admitted it. I am very sorry that that isn't (in my Opinion) the case in this particular debate. If the consensus opinion here is that we should keep our best players (in my Opinion) on the bench to preserve them, uhh, yeah, call me a rebel.

I fixed it for you Bulldog, to illustrate the absurdity in bludgeoning this topic to death-multiple times weekly, since the moment the title game ended. It's your opinion. And that's all it is. It's not the ironclad, no questions asked decision you portray it to be.
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I thought it was interesting how Cig managed the RBs down the stretch last year. Once it was obvious that Percy was the most consistent RB on the roster, Cig declined to make him the "Starter". He continued to give Hamilton the first few carries, in a move I suspect was meant to balance out the fact that Percy was going to get the most carries + the majority of Goal Line opportunities.

I expect that next year we'll see 3 guys featured getting all of the touches in meaningful games (assuming they're all healthy). Percy will get 40%, Hamilton and Palmer will each get 30%. Hamilton will continue to "start", and Percy will come in 3rd, giving a nod to the two senior backs who have earned their time and have significant talent.
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Purple, stop now while you’re desperately behind.
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(02-10-2020 12:05 PM)Potomac Wrote:  Purple, stop now while you’re desperately behind.
But it’s not like there’s a consensus opinion, oh wait...
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(02-09-2020 03:22 AM)BDKJMU Wrote:  
(02-09-2020 12:15 AM)DoubleDDuke Wrote:  The second starting safety position will be interesting battle. Although listed as SPUR, I expect Que Reid to compete there. I thought he played well last year. He is just one of those guys who it feels like he has too much talent to not be on the field outside of special teams.

But you have Amos (1st team All CAA), Hampton (significant PT), Chukwuneke (a lot of PT), the UMass kid (who was starting for them).. Safety sounds pretty stacked.

Corner, not so much. Wonder if any of those guys could play corner?

It's a good question. It's a very different skill set IMO but I think we're going to need someone unexpected to emerge at the corner position. Maybe it's one of these guys, maybe it's one of the freshman, or maybe it's a transfer that comes in following the spring practice. I'm not comfortable with what we currently have there TBH. Another outside possibility may be to move Davis outside and play one of these guys at SPUR.
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(02-10-2020 09:31 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  Palmer lost time not for being young- he got hurt! He was getting more and more time and when he got hurt that severely put a stop on the rest of his season. How hard is this to understand?
Perhaps there was a good reason he didn't play much when he returned. In my opinion Cignetti didn't want to destroy his career by putting him out there 20+ carries a game coming off an injury.
Cignetti has never been afraid to play the best guy. If Palmer deserves to be the starter, he'll start next year. If he doesn't, he won't.

That's all I'm saying and that is exactly what I did say. Injuries, in my opinion, would be the likely reason for Latrele getting limited carries. He is CLEARLY our best RB. I was disappointed in Frisco to see him punishing the smelly Bison D and only getting eight carries. He looked plenty healthy, but that is Cig's call, not mine.

I agree with you. If Latrele is healthy come September, Cig starts him and he gets the lion's share of the carries, and he is going to embarrass a lot of defenses.
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(02-10-2020 11:20 AM)olddawg Wrote:  
(02-10-2020 09:12 AM)Purple Wrote:  
(02-09-2020 09:25 PM)olddawg Wrote:  You guys realize that Purple will not give in, at all, ever, on anything. That's why he was aptly named Bulldog on the old boards. 04-cheers

"Give in?" Give in to what? Give in to three or four posters suggesting we (in my Opinion) violate longstanding football doctrine and not play our (in my Opinion) best players?

Really? I should give in to that? By the way, my mind has been changed many times on this board and I admitted it. I am very sorry that that isn't (in my Opinion) the case in this particular debate. If the consensus opinion here is that we should keep our best players (in my Opinion) on the bench to preserve them, uhh, yeah, call me a rebel.

I fixed it for you Bulldog, to illustrate the absurdity in bludgeoning this topic to death-multiple times weekly, since the moment the title game ended. It's your opinion. And that's all it is. It's not the ironclad, no questions asked decision you portray it to be.

Said like someone who has absolutely no idea what I was talking about.

Of course things I say are my opinion. Most of what you read on this board is the poster's opinion. And, thank you for informing me that my opinion is not "ironclad." I had no idea. I will tell you what is ironclad - football doctrine since pre-leather helmets saying you play your best players.

It is my OPINION that Latrele Palmer is our best running back. It is "ironclad" football doctrine to play your best players.

That's all I'm saying. That's all I've been saying from the start. What part of that do you disagree with? Do you disagree with longstanding football doctrine or do you disagree with my opinion that Latrele is our best running back? Check the stats. Latrele only had 60 carries on the season. Maybe he should have been redshirted since we are so rich at that position. Cig decided not to for his own reasons. Percy and Jawon can handle things next season. Maybe it is a good idea to redshirt Latrele next year to give him three years of dominating performance as our feature back.

It's all conjecture at this point and fun stuff for us fans to debate in the off-season. One thing is certain - we are in fine shape and are going to continue to dominate at this level we outgrew a while back.
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Jake O'Donnell announced he is entering the Transfer Portal. Seems like a great kid but it may be the right move if he wants to be a starter one day.

That leaves us with the following QB's on the roster?

r-SR Cole Johnson
r-Jr Gage Moloney
r-Jr Patrick Bentley
r-Fr Jacob Knight
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HS - Billy Atkins
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How does he figure he has immediate eligibility?
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(05-28-2020 08:47 PM)Polish Hammer Wrote:  How does he figure he has immediate eligibility?

Was wondering that as well. Only thing I can think of is he maybe assumes he can get a waiver if he moves back home and commits to a school in Florida? The roster says he studied Finance so I doubt he earned his degree already even with summer and winter sessions.
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I wouldn't count Billy Atkins as on the roster considering he's just a verbal commitment and won't be a freshman until the 2021 season.
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(02-09-2020 09:25 PM)olddawg Wrote:  You guys realize that Purple will not give in, at all, ever, on anything. That's why he was aptly named Bulldog on the old boards. 04-cheers

I had forgotten Purple was Bulldog. 04-cheers

How's the grandson?
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i'm curious to see if we'll take a 2nd QB this class. Ideally you'd like a QB in every class, and if not, you need some depth or a hole could develop. Due to injury, guys not being as good as you hoped, or attrition because only one guy usually plays and guys will leave.

that kid from lake braddock is highly recruited and i know we were/are after him. Will be interested to see if we can convince him to come and provide competition in the future
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(05-29-2020 10:42 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  i'm curious to see if we'll take a 2nd QB this class. Ideally you'd like a QB in every class, and if not, you need some depth or a hole could develop. Due to injury, guys not being as good as you hoped, or attrition because only one guy usually plays and guys will leave.

that kid from lake braddock is highly recruited and i know we were/are after him. Will be interested to see if we can convince him to come and provide competition in the future

How many QBs on the roster now? A baker’s dozen? 18? More?

I jest, but if JMU has already signed one QB for 2020, and Gage has another year of eligibility, plus the other highly thought of Sophomore QBs on the roster (at least they were when signed), plus the ever-present Cole Johnson (who is entering Russian MBB territory for tenure on a JMU men’s varsity roster), signing just one true QB in 2021 seems plenty.

Of course, I think the possibility of signing a Sophomore P5 QB transfer has to always be a possibility.
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(05-29-2020 11:11 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(05-29-2020 10:42 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  i'm curious to see if we'll take a 2nd QB this class. Ideally you'd like a QB in every class, and if not, you need some depth or a hole could develop. Due to injury, guys not being as good as you hoped, or attrition because only one guy usually plays and guys will leave.

that kid from lake braddock is highly recruited and i know we were/are after him. Will be interested to see if we can convince him to come and provide competition in the future

How many QBs on the roster now? A baker’s dozen? 18? More?

I jest, but if JMU has already signed one QB for 2020, and Gage has another year of eligibility, plus the other highly thought of Sophomore QBs on the roster (at least they were when signed), plus the ever-present Cole Johnson (who is entering Russian MBB territory for tenure on a JMU men’s varsity roster), signing just one true QB in 2021 seems plenty.

Of course, I think the possibility of signing a Sophomore P5 QB transfer has to always be a possibility.

well, in 2021 after Cole graduates this year, we'll have 3 scholarship QB's and 2 walk-on QB's. that's assuming no one else leaves.

Is that enough? i don't know. but if you have a really good QB who wants to come, you take him and let them sort it out.
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(05-29-2020 11:17 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  
(05-29-2020 11:11 AM)Longhorn Wrote:  
(05-29-2020 10:42 AM)Duke Dawg Wrote:  i'm curious to see if we'll take a 2nd QB this class. Ideally you'd like a QB in every class, and if not, you need some depth or a hole could develop. Due to injury, guys not being as good as you hoped, or attrition because only one guy usually plays and guys will leave.

that kid from lake braddock is highly recruited and i know we were/are after him. Will be interested to see if we can convince him to come and provide competition in the future

How many QBs on the roster now? A baker’s dozen? 18? More?

I jest, but if JMU has already signed one QB for 2020, and Gage has another year of eligibility, plus the other highly thought of Sophomore QBs on the roster (at least they were when signed), plus the ever-present Cole Johnson (who is entering Russian MBB territory for tenure on a JMU men’s varsity roster), signing just one true QB in 2021 seems plenty.

Of course, I think the possibility of signing a Sophomore P5 QB transfer has to always be a possibility.

well, in 2021 after Cole graduates this year, we'll have 3 scholarship QB's and 2 walk-on QB's. that's assuming no one else leaves.

Is that enough? i don't know. but if you have a really good QB who wants to come, you take him and let them sort it out.

So, as you say (assuming no QB on the current roster leaves) JMU will end the upcoming season (if it gets played) with 5 QBs (3 on scholarship). Sign one more QB on scholarship (beginning play as a Freshman with the Fall 2021 season), and the team would have 6 QBs on the roster, 4 of whom are on scholarship. That seems like a good number.

I wonder how carrying 6 QBs would compare to the normal/common number of QBs carried on the roster from past seasons? I still recall how MM would have given his eye teeth for more QBs (during his first year) when JMU lost every QB to injury. Of course, had Wood not run off the previous year’s starter by trying to turn him into a TE JMU might have had a chance at beating Troy in the postseason.
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(01-15-2020 09:23 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  Updated roster (copied and pasted from the one I posted in early Aug, with adjustments).
-Have added the 16 LOI out of HS, and the 6 announced transfers (none of the PWO yet).
-Last seasons heights/weights, 2020 class year & updated #s.
-For some of those non returning 2 deep players listed at DL and DB, for some I am guessing whether or not DT or DE, and CB, safety or Spur.
-For any 2019 2 deepers that aren’t returning, have noted that under the respective position groups. For other 2019 non seniors that have disappeared off the roster (counted 11 since Aug) I'm not mentioning.
-Right now count 101 on the roster (haven't added the PWOs). Early last Aug had 106.
-There's probably a couple mistakes in here. If you notice one, point it out.

Offense:

QBs (5) (Graduated Ben Dinucci (AA, CAA Offensive POTY), rising rSo Jake O’Donnell entered transfer portal).
-#12 rSr Cole Johnson (6'5"/209) (returning backup from the last 4 seasons).
-#15 rJr Gage Moloney (6'2"/220)
-#14 rJr Patrick Bentley (6'2"/223)
-#8 rFr Jacob Knight (6'4"/230)
-Fr Kyle Adams (6’1”/175)

RBs (6) (Kirlew not returning for his rSr, lost CJ Jackson).
-#7 rSr Jawon Hamilton (5’8”/195) (returning co starter).
-#31 Sr Percy Agyei-Obese (6'0"/205) (returning co starter, 1st team All CAA).
-#42 rSo Solomon Vanhorse (5’7”/177) (returning “2” deep).
-#21 So Latrele Palmer (5’11”/228) (returning “2” deep).
-#2 rFr Austin Douglas (5’11”/195)
-Fr Kaelon Black (5’10”/195)

WR (14) (Graduated Brandon Polk (2nd team All CAA) & Riley Stapleton).
-Gr Scott Bracey (6'2"/210), started Duke last season.
-#89 rSr Jake Brown (6’2”/186) (returning starter).
-#17 rJr Kyndel Dean (6’2”/180) (returning 2 deep).
-#88 rJr Daniel Adu (6’2”/180) (returning 2 deep).
-#19 Jr Devin Ravenel (6’0”/162) (returning 2 deep).
-#16 rJr Kris Thornton (5'8"/170) (VMI transfer, had to sit out last season, 1003 yds/2nd team All So-Con 2018).
-#5 rJr Jamir Hudson (5’8”/165)
-#34 rJr Alex Miller (5'10"/183) (special teams holder)
-#83 rJr Josh Sims (5’10”155)
-#9 rSo Reggie Brown (6’0”/178)
-#49 rSo Davis Patterson (6’3”/197)
-#18 rFr John Finney (6'0"/200)
-#85 rFr Jack Hannah (6'0'/168)
-#81 Fr Antwane Wells Jr (6’1”/195)

TE (5): (Graduated Dylan Stapleton (2nd team All CAA) & Nick Charlton).
-#90 Jr Drew Painter (6’4”/243) (returning 2 deep).
-#37 Sr Clayton Cheatham (6'3"/232)
-rSr Noah Turner (6'3"/248) (UNC transfer)
-#86 rFr Hunter Bullock (6’4”/243)
-Fr Kelly Mitchell (6’3”/230)

OL (17): (Graduated Jahee Jackson (starting RG) & Sr Mac Patrick (1st team All CAA). Joe Fishpaw (2 deep RT) not returning for rSr season.
-#79 rSr Raymond Gillespie (6'5"/275) (returning co- starting LT)
-#77 Sr Liam Fornadel (6’4”/308) (3rd year RT starter, AA, 2x All CAA).
-#69 rSr Truvell Wilson (6’2”/303) (returning starter LG, 3rd team All CAA).
-#67 rSr Zaire Bethea (6’3”/315) (returning LT co starter).
-#63 rSr J.T. Timming (6’2”/306) (returning 2 deep OC).
-#76 rJr Jake Glavin (6’2”/300) (returning 2 deep LG).
-#56 rSo Nick Kidwell (6’5”/315) (returning 2 deep RG).
-#73 rJr Stanley Hubbard (UConn transfer, listed 6’3”/293 UConn 2019 roster, 2019 2 deep, started last game vs Temple, was slated to be UConn’s starting OC 2020).
-#72 rJr Will Clevinger (6’3”/289)
-#62 rSo Kyle Smith (6’4”/310)
-#70 rSo Henry Schroeder 6’4”/278)
-#75 rSo Sammy Junco (6'2"/296) (VMI transfer).
-#58 rFr Tanner Morris (6’2”/296)
-#64 rFr Henry Somerville (6'1"/275)
-Fr Cole Potts (6’3”/300)
-Fr Tyler Stephens (6’5”/295)
-Fr Tyshon Wyatt (6'4"/320)

Defense:
DT (9): (Graduated none).
-#3 Sr Mike Green (6’3”/294) (returning starter, 3rd team All CAA).
-#95 rSr Adeeb Atariwa (6’3”/282) (returning starter).
-#43 rJr Garrett Groulx (6’3”/260) (returning 2 deep).
-#65 rSo Tony Thurston (6'5" 260) (returning 2 deep).
-#91 rJr Semaj Sorhaindo (6’2”/285)
-#57 rFr James Carpenter (6'1"/264)
-#61 rFr Joe Worman (6'3"/272)
-#94 rFr Sean Johns (6'3"/253)
-Fr Tyler Negron (6’3”/275 (listed as DL)

DE (9) Graduated Ron'Dell Carter (AA, 1st team All CAA); John Daka (AA, 1st team All CAA); Bryce Maginley (2 deep).
-#99 rJr Isaac Ukwu (6’3”/242) (Slated for 2019 2 deep, suffered season ending injury summer camp).
-#10 So Jalen Green (6’1”/256) (returning 2 deep).
-#45 rSo Antonio Colclough (6'3"/241)
-#93 rSo Drake Tomasi (6’3”/230)
-#47 rSo Mike Wilcox (6’3”/222)
-#96 rFr Carlo Jones (6’3”/242)
-#97 rFr Abi N-Okonji (Minnesota transfer) (listed at 6’3”/270, DL on Minnesota Outback Bowl roster).
-#38 Fr Mikail Kamara (6’1”/235) (listed as DL).
-Fr Khurram Simpson (6’2”/240) (listed as DL).

LB (2 positions) (8): (Graduated Dimitri Holloway (AA, 1st team All CAA); Landan Word (3rd team All CAA); Mike Cobbs (2 deep); Tabb Patrick not returning for rSr year).
-#54 rSr Kelvin Azanama (5’11”/213) (returning 2 deep).
-#20 rJr Diamonte Tucker-Dorsey (5’10”/213) (not listed 2 deep, but played a lot).
-#51 Jr Mateo Jackson (6’1”/230) (2018 2 deep)
-#6 rFr Julio Ayamel (6’0”/230)
-#44 rFr Taurus Jones (6’1”/213)
-#53 rSo LB Liam Kouthan (6'1"/236) (VMI transfer)
-Fr Payne Bauer (6'2"/235)
-Fr Seth Naotala (6'0"/230)

SPUR (4) (Graduated none).
-*#8 rSr Wayne Davis (5'10”/190) (3rd year starting).
-*#16 rSo Que Reid (5'11”/195) (returning 2 deep).
-#33 rJr Sam Kidd (6’1”/206)
-Fr Chase Soper (6'0"/205) (listed as Athlete)

CB (9) (Graduated Rashad Robinson (2nd team All CAA) & Charles Tutt (2 deep)).
-#30 Sr Wesley McCormick (5’11”/190) (returning starter).
-#27 Sr Taurus Carroll (6’0”/173) (returning 2 deep).
-#26 rJr Jack Sroba (5’10”/180)
-#42 rJr Michael Johnson (5'11”/202)
-#14 rSo Jamari Currence (5’10”/160)
-#17 rFr Chase Lundy (5'8"/160)
-#25 rFr Jonathan Broadnax (5'8"/160)
-#11 Fr AJ Webb (5’10”/175) (listed as DB)
-#23 Fr Sammy Malignaggi (5’10/180) (listed as DB).

S (9) (Graduated Adam Smith (1st team All CAA)).
-#24 rSr D'Angelo Amos (6’1”/184) (returning starter/1st team All CAA).
-#32 Sr MJ Hampton (6’0”/183) (returning 2 deep).
-#34 rSo Chris Chukwuneke (6'0”/185) (returning 2 deep).
-#9 rSo Joseph Norwood (6'1"/180) (UMass transfer, started 1st 4 games last season before leaving team, 2nd leading tackler at the time).
-#40 rSo Reggie McNeill (6’0”/180)
-#49 rSo Francis Meehan (5’11”/182)
-#22 rFr Jordan White (5'11”/180)
-#29 rFr Ricky Harleston (5'10"/190)
-Fr Xavier Cokley (6’0”/185) (listed as DB)

Special Teams: (Graduated none):
K/P/LS (6)
-#91 rSr K Ethan Ratke (5’10/185) (3rd year starter, 1st team All CAA).
-#40 rSo K Camden Wise (6’0”/166)
-#98 Sr P Harry O'Kelly (6’0”/185) (4th year starter).
-#36 rFr K/P Justin Ritter (5'10"/207)
-#50 rJr LS Kyle Davis (5’11”/222) (3rd year starting short and long snapper, 2 year streak of not a single bad snap).
-#59 rSr LS Seth Weaver (6’1”/177)

Just wanted to say thanks BDK for this write-up. I reference it constantly and now have it saved on my phone 04-cheers
06-05-2020 07:40 AM
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