(01-13-2020 11:55 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-13-2020 11:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-13-2020 11:51 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-13-2020 11:50 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-13-2020 11:47 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Refs take a TD off the board for Clemson. No PI on that play

Actually there was. It was flagrant defensive PI. He was holding the Clemson player all the way down, lost his grip and fell.

yeah lets not pretend that the Clemson guy didn't push off....

After the gifts Clemson got vs Ohio St- they're getting exactly what they deserve.

Did you watch the replay? He didn't push off at all.

I saw it real time and it definitely looked like he pushed off...

of course it was no worse than the PI that nullified an interception by LSU.

I was away on that play and didn't see it. But LSU was doing PI on nearly every play. Rarely called.

Congratulations to LSU. You played terrifically tonight and earned the win.

Should have been a close LSU win, but the Pac 12 refs helped LSU beat the point spread.

Congrats to LSU. Better team tonight.

Refs were horrible both ways, no effect on the ballgame. When you get beat, you get beat and we got beat.

Work starts tomorrow for out 6th straight playoff appearance. 14-1 is not bad for a rebuilding year, but losing still sucks.

(01-14-2020 12:26 AM)bullet Wrote:  Should have been a close LSU win, but the Pac 12 refs helped LSU beat the point spread.

I just checked the stats and penalties LSU had 11 for 118. Clemson 7 for 78.

Including that awful PI call on LSU when they picked off Lawrence.

Maybe you think it fair if LSU got all the flags?

(01-14-2020 12:28 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  Congrats to LSU. Better team tonight.

Refs were horrible both ways, no effect on the ballgame. When you get beat, you get beat and we got beat.

Work starts tomorrow for out 6th straight playoff appearance. 14-1 is not bad for a rebuilding year, but losing still sucks.

Dabo has built an amazing program at Clemson. If you can keep him from leaving for Alabama, and if the ACC stays soft, you will win another CFP title for sure.

LSU breaks the #1 seed jinx, first top seed to win the CFP.

(01-14-2020 02:14 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  LSU breaks the #1 seed jinx, first top seed to win the CFP.

in 1st year 1 seed meant much

Congratulations, LSU!

Who is responsible for Clemson's serial-killer looking mascot?

Congrats LSU. Final AP poll

1. LSU
2. Clemson
3. Ohio State
4. Georgia
5. Oregon
6. Florida
7. Oklahoma
8. Alabama
9. Penn State
10. Minnesota
11. Wisconsin
12. Notre Dame
13. Baylor
14. Auburn
15. Iowa
16. Utah
17. Memphis
18. Michigan
19. Appalachian State
20. Navy
21. Cincinnati
22. Air Force
23. Boise State
24. UCF
25. Texas

Others receiving votes: Texas A&M 54, Florida Atlantic 46, Washington 39, Virginia 28, USC 16, San Diego State 13, Arizona State 12, SMU 10, Tennessee 8, California 6, Louisiana Tech 2, Kentucky 2, Kansas State 2, Louisiana-Lafayette 2
https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...-rankings/

(01-14-2020 08:41 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...-rankings/

Wow .... LSU beat 2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 14, and 25.

(01-13-2020 11:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-13-2020 11:51 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-13-2020 11:50 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-13-2020 11:47 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Refs take a TD off the board for Clemson. No PI on that play

Actually there was. It was flagrant defensive PI. He was holding the Clemson player all the way down, lost his grip and fell.

yeah lets not pretend that the Clemson guy didn't push off....

After the gifts Clemson got vs Ohio St- they're getting exactly what they deserve.

Did you watch the replay? He didn't push off at all.

Clemson dude pulled him down by the right side of his jersey.

(01-14-2020 12:29 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-14-2020 12:26 AM)bullet Wrote:  Should have been a close LSU win, but the Pac 12 refs helped LSU beat the point spread.

I just checked the stats and penalties LSU had 11 for 118. Clemson 7 for 78.

Including that awful PI call on LSU when they picked off Lawrence.

Maybe you think it fair if LSU got all the flags?

Ever heard of "lies, damned lies and statistics?":cheers:

They should have gotten more and they got breaks on critical plays. Flagrant pick play on a TD pass. Fake offensive PI on a Clemson TD pass. 30 yard penalty on Clemson for blindside block when the Clemson player was entirely in front of LSU player. Never reviewed the play where the back went out of bounds, giving LSU an extra 20 yards. Did review (and overturn correctly) a Clemson completion. Never reviewed 2 probable targeting calls on LSU while reviewing (correctly) a targeting call on Clemson.

If it wasn't Pac 12 refs, who are known for their incompetence, I would have thought some gamblers got to them.

(01-14-2020 12:25 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-13-2020 11:55 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-13-2020 11:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-13-2020 11:51 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-13-2020 11:50 PM)bullet Wrote:  Actually there was. It was flagrant defensive PI. He was holding the Clemson player all the way down, lost his grip and fell.

yeah lets not pretend that the Clemson guy didn't push off....

After the gifts Clemson got vs Ohio St- they're getting exactly what they deserve.

Did you watch the replay? He didn't push off at all.

I saw it real time and it definitely looked like he pushed off...

of course it was no worse than the PI that nullified an interception by LSU.

I was away on that play and didn't see it. But LSU was doing PI on nearly every play. Rarely called.

Right, and holding on every play and roughing the guy with the ball on every play, too, huh?

(01-14-2020 11:08 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(01-13-2020 11:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-13-2020 11:51 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-13-2020 11:50 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-13-2020 11:47 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Refs take a TD off the board for Clemson. No PI on that play

Actually there was. It was flagrant defensive PI. He was holding the Clemson player all the way down, lost his grip and fell.

yeah lets not pretend that the Clemson guy didn't push off....

After the gifts Clemson got vs Ohio St- they're getting exactly what they deserve.

Did you watch the replay? He didn't push off at all.

Clemson dude pulled him down by the right side of his jersey.

So you are color blind. It was the LSU player who was holding the jersey and lost his grip and fell down.

(01-14-2020 11:10 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(01-14-2020 12:25 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-13-2020 11:55 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-13-2020 11:54 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-13-2020 11:51 PM)stever20 Wrote:  yeah lets not pretend that the Clemson guy didn't push off....

After the gifts Clemson got vs Ohio St- they're getting exactly what they deserve.

Did you watch the replay? He didn't push off at all.

I saw it real time and it definitely looked like he pushed off...

of course it was no worse than the PI that nullified an interception by LSU.

I was away on that play and didn't see it. But LSU was doing PI on nearly every play. Rarely called.

Right, and holding on every play and roughing the guy with the ball on every play, too, huh?

They let a lot of holding go on. On that first TD pass, the LSU tackle had the defenders armed hooked. That usually gets called holding even in the Big 12.

I don't have a stake in who won. I just hate the gross incompetence of the officials. And it overwhelmingly hurt Clemson.

(01-14-2020 11:10 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-14-2020 12:29 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-14-2020 12:26 AM)bullet Wrote:  Should have been a close LSU win, but the Pac 12 refs helped LSU beat the point spread.

I just checked the stats and penalties LSU had 11 for 118. Clemson 7 for 78.

Including that awful PI call on LSU when they picked off Lawrence.

Maybe you think it fair if LSU got all the flags?

Ever heard of "lies, damned lies and statistics?":cheers:

They should have gotten more and they got breaks on critical plays. Flagrant pick play on a TD pass. Fake offensive PI on a Clemson TD pass. 30 yard penalty on Clemson for blindside block when the Clemson player was entirely in front of LSU player. Never reviewed the play where the back went out of bounds, giving LSU an extra 20 yards. Did review (and overturn correctly) a Clemson completion. Never reviewed 2 probable targeting calls on LSU while reviewing (correctly) a targeting call on Clemson.

If it wasn't Pac 12 refs, who are known for their incompetence, I would have thought some gamblers got to them.

Both teams got some bad calls do their way. LSU got breaks on the phantom PI call on Higgins (should have been a Clemson TD) and also the LSU receiver in the first half touched out of bounds with his hand and that was missed.

But Clemson got some as well - the phantom PI on the LSU defender when he picked off Lawrence in the 3rd. And as for Tee Higgins being flagged for a blindside block on that big pass to the tight end, Clemson ended up scoring on the drive anyway, and I was surprised Higgins wasn't reviewed for targeting, it looked like he made helmet to helmet contact on that hit, in which case he wouldn't have been around later to score later TDs.

Overall, as Kaplony Balony said, it was a bad game by the refs and both teams got screwed. But suss that out and they still flagged LSU a lot more than Clemson.

(01-14-2020 02:14 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  LSU breaks the #1 seed jinx, first top seed to win the CFP.

#3 still has zero.

(01-14-2020 12:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-14-2020 11:10 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(01-14-2020 12:29 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-14-2020 12:26 AM)bullet Wrote:  Should have been a close LSU win, but the Pac 12 refs helped LSU beat the point spread.

I just checked the stats and penalties LSU had 11 for 118. Clemson 7 for 78.

Including that awful PI call on LSU when they picked off Lawrence.

Maybe you think it fair if LSU got all the flags?

Ever heard of "lies, damned lies and statistics?":cheers:

They should have gotten more and they got breaks on critical plays. Flagrant pick play on a TD pass. Fake offensive PI on a Clemson TD pass. 30 yard penalty on Clemson for blindside block when the Clemson player was entirely in front of LSU player. Never reviewed the play where the back went out of bounds, giving LSU an extra 20 yards. Did review (and overturn correctly) a Clemson completion. Never reviewed 2 probable targeting calls on LSU while reviewing (correctly) a targeting call on Clemson.

If it wasn't Pac 12 refs, who are known for their incompetence, I would have thought some gamblers got to them.

Both teams got some bad calls do their way. LSU got breaks on the phantom PI call on Higgins (should have been a Clemson TD) and also the LSU receiver in the first half touched out of bounds with his hand and that was missed.

But Clemson got some as well - the phantom PI on the LSU defender when he picked off Lawrence in the 3rd. And as for Tee Higgins being flagged for a blindside block on that big pass to the tight end, Clemson ended up scoring on the drive anyway, and I was surprised Higgins wasn't reviewed for targeting, it looked like he made helmet to helmet contact on that hit, in which case he wouldn't have been around later to score later TDs.

Overall, as Kaplony Balony said, it was a bad game by the refs and both teams got screwed. But suss that out and they still flagged LSU a lot more than Clemson.

LSU was the better team all season and the better team last night. But the refs definitely made it less close last night.