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RE: Which rival would Oklahoma keep?
(01-13-2020 05:25 PM)ken d Wrote:  
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(01-13-2020 03:38 PM)ken d Wrote:  [quote='BePcr07' pid='16608095' dateline='1578945325']
The PAC really flubbed by not taking Oklahoma and Oklahoma St when they had the chance. That would’ve really given them some leverage.

What chance did they have? To take just those two? Or to take them with others? Just those two schools by themselves don't do much to solve any of the PAC's problems. I don't really recall any scenario in which the PAC goes to 14 with those two, or to 12 without Colorado and Utah.

I believe it was to go to 14 with the Oklahoma schools. I don't have an article ready to share but if someone could provide a link, I'm confident it was almost a thing. I wasn't saying the Oklahoma schools by themselves added much but it would've provided some leverage. Even if Texas was not in play, adding - perhaps - Kansas St and Texas Tech would've be tolerable with Oklahoma.

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North: Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St
West: California, Stanford, USC, UCLA
South: Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, Colorado
East: Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Kansas St

The Pac 12 considered and rejected adding the Oklahoma schools.

/https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/12/28/hotline-newsletter-in-an-alternate-universe-its-the-pac-14-future-bowl-options-hello-hollywood-park-herberts-return-and-more/

The way I read that article, it's little more than the kind of "what if" fantasy speculation that is pervasive on sites like this one. Somebody floated a trial balloon, and it got shot down quickly.

The PAC appears to have understood that there wasn't anything in it for them. In all likelihood, OU and OK State probably realized there was nothing in it for them, either. This would not have been a "win-win". It would have been a "lose-lose", which is why it went nowhere. To say that the PAC had a chance to get those two schools suggests that the schools would have considered it - maybe even wanted it. I doubt that was the case.

President Boren from OU was was very vocally courting the PAC 12 and pushing for just the two Oklahoma schools at one point (don't remember the date) when OU was particularly fed up with UT. I don't think it got any traction with the PAC 12 due to a combo of Larry Scott's inept leadership and the PAC 12 members' reasonable desire to include the State of Texas in any further expansion.

I don't see how Bedlam could be preserved in both OU and UT went to the B1G without OU agreeing to only play 6 home games in years they played the Pokes in Stillwater, which wouldn't happen. Maybe if the NCAA allows a 13th regular season game.
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RE: Which rival would Oklahoma keep?
(01-14-2020 09:07 AM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  I don't see how Bedlam could be preserved in both OU and UT went to the B1G without OU agreeing to only play 6 home games in years they played the Pokes in Stillwater, which wouldn't happen. Maybe if the NCAA allows a 13th regular season game.

They could set it up as home in Norman on years they played 4 B1G games and in Stillwater on years they play 5 B1G games. But you are correct they would never be able to schedule a home and home with say USC or Florida State. Also the B1G would force Bedlam to be played in September, which would have the same negative effect on the game that BYU-Utah moving to the start of the season due to P12 scheduling requirements has had (basically took all the energy out of one of the great rivalries)

This is where the SEC is more attractive than the B1G to Oklahoma. With only 8 games and a schedule pattern where traditional late season games, even against non-conference foes around thanksgiving, would make things work far better for Oklahoma should they move. The only onus to keep the game going would shift to Oklahoma State and B12 agreeing to allow a November date.

I do think conferences, such as the B1G should allow these late season games. The Pac-12 only make the exception for Notre Dame (Stanford and USC), but frankly they should extend that to Utah for BYU, and the B12 and B1G should allow that as well; there was no need for the B12 and KU to not play Missouri in November. Maybe with relaxed rules, not requiring round robin for a conference CCG, that could change.

Note, if OU and Texas go separate ways, then OU is back to the same dilemma about which rivalry do they keep. A move to teh B1G would likely kill both. But I think from a recruiting and fan following standpoint Texas is the more critical, to keep OU firmly in the DFW market.
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RE: Which rival would Oklahoma keep?
I’m fine with end of the season OOC rivalry games so long as it’s ran through the conference office and someone else also agrees to make a similar move so that no one gets stuck without a rivalry game.

ex. Oklahoma and Kansas could both join the Big Ten and both keep their instate rivalry games at the end of the season and nothing gets disrupted.

I always disliked the way in accommodating ND, one of the PAC 12 schools gets left either without a game in the final week or playing an odd OOC game. This sort of thing should only be approved in pairs for conferences with even numbers of members.
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RE: Which rival would Oklahoma keep?
(01-14-2020 09:07 AM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  
(01-13-2020 05:25 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(01-13-2020 04:48 PM)Realigned Wrote:  
(01-13-2020 04:09 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(01-13-2020 03:38 PM)ken d Wrote:  [quote='BePcr07' pid='16608095' dateline='1578945325']
The PAC really flubbed by not taking Oklahoma and Oklahoma St when they had the chance. That would’ve really given them some leverage.

What chance did they have? To take just those two? Or to take them with others? Just those two schools by themselves don't do much to solve any of the PAC's problems. I don't really recall any scenario in which the PAC goes to 14 with those two, or to 12 without Colorado and Utah.

I believe it was to go to 14 with the Oklahoma schools. I don't have an article ready to share but if someone could provide a link, I'm confident it was almost a thing. I wasn't saying the Oklahoma schools by themselves added much but it would've provided some leverage. Even if Texas was not in play, adding - perhaps - Kansas St and Texas Tech would've be tolerable with Oklahoma.

PAC
North: Washington, Washington St, Oregon, Oregon St
West: California, Stanford, USC, UCLA
South: Arizona, Arizona St, Utah, Colorado
East: Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Kansas St

The Pac 12 considered and rejected adding the Oklahoma schools.

/https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/12/28/hotline-newsletter-in-an-alternate-universe-its-the-pac-14-future-bowl-options-hello-hollywood-park-herberts-return-and-more/

The way I read that article, it's little more than the kind of "what if" fantasy speculation that is pervasive on sites like this one. Somebody floated a trial balloon, and it got shot down quickly.

The PAC appears to have understood that there wasn't anything in it for them. In all likelihood, OU and OK State probably realized there was nothing in it for them, either. This would not have been a "win-win". It would have been a "lose-lose", which is why it went nowhere. To say that the PAC had a chance to get those two schools suggests that the schools would have considered it - maybe even wanted it. I doubt that was the case.

President Boren from OU was was very vocally courting the PAC 12 and pushing for just the two Oklahoma schools at one point (don't remember the date) when OU was particularly fed up with UT. I don't think it got any traction with the PAC 12 due to a combo of Larry Scott's inept leadership and the PAC 12 members' reasonable desire to include the State of Texas in any further expansion.

I don't see how Bedlam could be preserved in both OU and UT went to the B1G without OU agreeing to only play 6 home games in years they played the Pokes in Stillwater, which wouldn't happen. Maybe if the NCAA allows a 13th regular season game.

The Hawaii Rule exists in that Hawaii and every school that plays at Hawaii can add an additional home game, if they choose, for a total of 13 regular season home games. Obviously 130+ schools can't play at Hawaii in a given season. But what if there was another way to get a 13th game? Here are a couple options off the top of my head that the 13th game rule could be extended to:

1) Play AT an FCS opponent's home field
2) Play a non-neutral site OOC game at least 2 time zones away
3) Schedule at least 3 power school OOC opponents with at least 1 true road game

Are these viable options? Any other ideas?
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RE: Which rival would Oklahoma keep?
(Today 03:05 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 09:07 AM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  I don't see how Bedlam could be preserved in both OU and UT went to the B1G without OU agreeing to only play 6 home games in years they played the Pokes in Stillwater, which wouldn't happen. Maybe if the NCAA allows a 13th regular season game.

They could set it up as home in Norman on years they played 4 B1G games and in Stillwater on years they play 5 B1G games. But you are correct they would never be able to schedule a home and home with say USC or Florida State. Also the B1G would force Bedlam to be played in September, which would have the same negative effect on the game that BYU-Utah moving to the start of the season due to P12 scheduling requirements has had (basically took all the energy out of one of the great rivalries)

This is where the SEC is more attractive than the B1G to Oklahoma. With only 8 games and a schedule pattern where traditional late season games, even against non-conference foes around thanksgiving, would make things work far better for Oklahoma should they move. The only onus to keep the game going would shift to Oklahoma State and B12 agreeing to allow a November date.

I do think conferences, such as the B1G should allow these late season games. The Pac-12 only make the exception for Notre Dame (Stanford and USC), but frankly they should extend that to Utah for BYU, and the B12 and B1G should allow that as well; there was no need for the B12 and KU to not play Missouri in November. Maybe with relaxed rules, not requiring round robin for a conference CCG, that could change.

Note, if OU and Texas go separate ways, then OU is back to the same dilemma about which rivalry do they keep. A move to teh B1G would likely kill both. But I think from a recruiting and fan following standpoint Texas is the more critical, to keep OU firmly in the DFW market.
Im not so sure moving the date of the OU-OSU game would have that negative of an impact. It isnt locked into the last week of the season like other rivalries, and season opening rivalries still generate a lot of heat. I wish UK-UL was still the season opener
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RE: Which rival would Oklahoma keep?
I do believe the Pac-12 is looking at relaxing its late-season schedule and allowing more OOC games in November (not just ND and the reciprocal BYU games).
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RE: Which rival would Oklahoma keep?
(Today 04:25 PM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  
(Today 03:05 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 09:07 AM)CarlSmithCenter Wrote:  I don't see how Bedlam could be preserved in both OU and UT went to the B1G without OU agreeing to only play 6 home games in years they played the Pokes in Stillwater, which wouldn't happen. Maybe if the NCAA allows a 13th regular season game.

They could set it up as home in Norman on years they played 4 B1G games and in Stillwater on years they play 5 B1G games. But you are correct they would never be able to schedule a home and home with say USC or Florida State. Also the B1G would force Bedlam to be played in September, which would have the same negative effect on the game that BYU-Utah moving to the start of the season due to P12 scheduling requirements has had (basically took all the energy out of one of the great rivalries)

This is where the SEC is more attractive than the B1G to Oklahoma. With only 8 games and a schedule pattern where traditional late season games, even against non-conference foes around thanksgiving, would make things work far better for Oklahoma should they move. The only onus to keep the game going would shift to Oklahoma State and B12 agreeing to allow a November date.

I do think conferences, such as the B1G should allow these late season games. The Pac-12 only make the exception for Notre Dame (Stanford and USC), but frankly they should extend that to Utah for BYU, and the B12 and B1G should allow that as well; there was no need for the B12 and KU to not play Missouri in November. Maybe with relaxed rules, not requiring round robin for a conference CCG, that could change.

Note, if OU and Texas go separate ways, then OU is back to the same dilemma about which rivalry do they keep. A move to teh B1G would likely kill both. But I think from a recruiting and fan following standpoint Texas is the more critical, to keep OU firmly in the DFW market.
Im not so sure moving the date of the OU-OSU game would have that negative of an impact. It isnt locked into the last week of the season like other rivalries, and season opening rivalries still generate a lot of heat. I wish UK-UL was still the season opener

Correct....they have played their games in September and October over the years. The game this year is in October.

PS- they would keep both rivalry games with out a doubt. They currently play one intersectional game home and home each year. Out of division crossover games with Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State, Wisconsin etc would replace those games.
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(01-13-2020 05:52 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  I think they'd be obligated to keep both. OU would probably insist on reducing the number of conference games if moving to the Big Ten without UT or to the Pac without both OSU and UT.

To add to this, if the Big Ten were to pick up OU/KU and drop back to 8 conference games, they actually would slightly increase the total number of intraconference games (63 to 64). Oklahoma has 4 OOC games to play OSU, UT, and 2 G5/FCS bodybag games.
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