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If extended a SEC invite solo, I'd want my team to say yes.
If extended a SEC invite solo, I'd want my team to say no.
If extended a B1G invite solo, I'd want my team to say yes.
If extended a B1G invite solo, I'd want my team to say no.
If extended a SEC invite with a small (~2-4) number of relevant ACC teams, I'd want my team to say yes.
If extended a SEC invite with a small (~2-4) number of relevant ACC teams, I'd want my team to say no.
If extended a B1G invite with a small (~2-4) number of relevant ACC teams, I'd want my team to say yes.
If extended a B1G invite with a small (~2-4) number of relevant ACC teams, I'd want my team to say no.
If extended a B1G invite with a large (~6-10) number of relevant ACC teams, I'd want my team to say yes.
If extended a B1G invite with a large (~6-10) number of relevant ACC teams, I'd want my team to say no.
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The Grass Is Greener Poll
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RE: The Grass Is Greener Poll
(01-17-2020 12:16 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  
(01-16-2020 10:05 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(01-16-2020 09:23 PM)nole Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 04:23 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(01-14-2020 12:29 PM)nole Wrote:  Define " difference wont be ridiculous. "

What amount is ridiculous (lowest amount to be 'ridiculous')?

Within 20% difference.

The difference ALREADY excedes the 20% by a LARGE sum and it is going to go up even more.

1) B1G .... $54.7m *
2) SEC .... $43.7m **
3) B12 .... $34.5m
4) PAC .... $31.3m
5) ACC .... $30m

Yes, those numbers do not reflect the ACCN value. Its likely that the ACCN would get the league within the 20%. The ACCN already had many more subscribers on its launch than the SEC had at its launch, according to an article that was linked on this board. Im in no way saying that the ACCN will be more successful than the SECN, just that the ACCN had a better launch.
It also stands to reason that ESPN would like to keep the ACC healthy and competitive since it is the only league that ESPN wholly owns their tv rights. Until the ACC can get beyond this deal where they are underpaid the league will always be behind the SEC.

It also doesn't include the SEC's upcoming sale of it's top game package, what CBS has had for many years. That's going to skyrocket their payout.

I don't see there being any way long term that the ACC stays within 20% of the SEC or Big 10. The ACC has cashed in almost all it's chips (pending Comcast carriage) while the SEC and B1G have more deals on the horizon.

It's just not going to happen. The brands and alumni bases and viewers are not there, and the conference isn't worth within 20% of those two. The best that can be hoped for is for the ACC to be third, that's what it's worth, at best.

Rare moment I'll disagree with you.

Without a DOUBT the ACC is underpaid for their value. They get better TV ratings for football/basketball then both PAC12 and Big 12 (and it isn't that close). They have also done huge better in basketball and football national titles. yet both make more (MUCH more in BIG 12 case) in revenue.

The ACC may not be worth within 20% of SEC/B1G.....but evidence suggests, strongly, that they aren't getting their value by comparison of the p3.

The ACC has a double whammy. It is naturally behind the P2.....but it made it MUCH worse by HORRIBLE TV negotiations, being 5 years or more behind other confernces with networks, basically giving away it's conference title game AND tier 3 content, AND locked the HORRIBLE contract in for 3-5 generations.

The gab between the P2 and the ACC could hypothetically be large....but within reason if the ACC wasn't just so unbelievably incompetent.
01-17-2020 09:15 PM
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RE: The Grass Is Greener Poll
(01-17-2020 01:41 PM)Statefan Wrote:  
(01-17-2020 01:23 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  The ACC does have one small advantage over the Big Ten, but I don't know how the ACC could translate that into $$'s: the ACC does not have a set requirement for the scheduling of football OOC games like the Big Ten and the Pac12 do. Go on FBSchedules.com and compare ACC schedules with Big Ten and Pac12 schedules. I doubt that would get the ACC completely up to the Big Ten's level, but it is something that the ACC should use against the Big Ten, IMO. If nothing else, it would force the Big Ten brass to re-examine scheduling which is something that the Big Ten coaches have been pushing for years.

The B10 is not living up that policy - they are allowing "waivers" for Army, Cincy, BYU, Boise, etc.

They treat the MAC the same way the ACC treats the Southern Conference and Patriot League.

By quality of opponents , yes, the Big Ten has changed, but I already knew that before I made the post. That wasn't even the point I was trying to make, which is this : when is the last time the Big Ten played an OOC game in October or November, with the exception of the occasional Hawaii game???
01-21-2020 05:12 AM
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(01-21-2020 05:12 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(01-17-2020 01:41 PM)Statefan Wrote:  
(01-17-2020 01:23 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  The ACC does have one small advantage over the Big Ten, but I don't know how the ACC could translate that into $$'s: the ACC does not have a set requirement for the scheduling of football OOC games like the Big Ten and the Pac12 do. Go on FBSchedules.com and compare ACC schedules with Big Ten and Pac12 schedules. I doubt that would get the ACC completely up to the Big Ten's level, but it is something that the ACC should use against the Big Ten, IMO. If nothing else, it would force the Big Ten brass to re-examine scheduling which is something that the Big Ten coaches have been pushing for years.

The B10 is not living up that policy - they are allowing "waivers" for Army, Cincy, BYU, Boise, etc.

They treat the MAC the same way the ACC treats the Southern Conference and Patriot League.

By quality of opponents , yes, the Big Ten has changed, but I already knew that before I made the post. That wasn't even the point I was trying to make, which is this : when is the last time the Big Ten played an OOC game in October or November, with the exception of the occasional Hawaii game???

Very rarely - almost all B1G OOC games are played in August or September.
(Perhaps they should be criticized for that the way the SEC has been criticized for playing FCS teams in November?)
01-21-2020 07:22 AM
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RE: The Grass Is Greener Poll
One of the big beefs ND had when playing three Big Ten teams a year was that those games were all front loaded in the opening few weeks.

The Big Ten insisted on this. Good riddance.
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01-21-2020 10:52 AM
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RE: The Grass Is Greener Poll
(01-21-2020 07:22 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(01-21-2020 05:12 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(01-17-2020 01:41 PM)Statefan Wrote:  
(01-17-2020 01:23 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  The ACC does have one small advantage over the Big Ten, but I don't know how the ACC could translate that into $$'s: the ACC does not have a set requirement for the scheduling of football OOC games like the Big Ten and the Pac12 do. Go on FBSchedules.com and compare ACC schedules with Big Ten and Pac12 schedules. I doubt that would get the ACC completely up to the Big Ten's level, but it is something that the ACC should use against the Big Ten, IMO. If nothing else, it would force the Big Ten brass to re-examine scheduling which is something that the Big Ten coaches have been pushing for years.

The B10 is not living up that policy - they are allowing "waivers" for Army, Cincy, BYU, Boise, etc.

They treat the MAC the same way the ACC treats the Southern Conference and Patriot League.

By quality of opponents , yes, the Big Ten has changed, but I already knew that before I made the post. That wasn't even the point I was trying to make, which is this : when is the last time the Big Ten played an OOC game in October or November, with the exception of the occasional Hawaii game???

Very rarely - almost all B1G OOC games are played in August or September.
(Perhaps they should be criticized for that the way the SEC has been criticized for playing FCS teams in November?)

They, the Big Ten, really should be criticized about this, much like the SEC has been criticized for playing FCS teams in November. Not even Big Ten coaches like the stupid tradition that really should have ended a very long time ago, because it came from the Ivy League who is extremely different from any FBS conference anyway!!! Penn State would probably renew the Pittsburgh rivalry if they could play it in November.
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(01-12-2020 06:59 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I really don’t like the SEC or ESPN, so a Big Ten invite with 6-10 of the most valuable commodities in the ACC is preferable. Hopefully FSU will still regularly play those same ACC schools yearly rather than going to Northwestern or Iowa every other year.

It would be tough competing in the SEC except for Vandy and Kentucky.
01-23-2020 06:37 PM
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RE: The Grass Is Greener Poll
(01-23-2020 06:37 PM)JoeJag Wrote:  
(01-12-2020 06:59 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I really don’t like the SEC or ESPN, so a Big Ten invite with 6-10 of the most valuable commodities in the ACC is preferable. Hopefully FSU will still regularly play those same ACC schools yearly rather than going to Northwestern or Iowa every other year.

It would be tough competing in the SEC except for Vandy and Kentucky.

Yeah, that must be the reason01-france
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