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RE: B1G scheduling philosophy
It's simple economics, even though ADs and coaches will give other reasons for it. When they say it's not about the money, that's when you know it's about the money.

The price of G5 buy games keeps going up. Buying an FCS opponent instead of a G5 opponent can save $1 million or more, with no significant loss of game day revenue for the home team.

As a fan I would rather that FBS teams either never buy an FCS game or count those games only as exhibitions, but that's not going to happen. Changing the rules to permit FBS teams to play two FCS opponents each year (and have those games count toward bowl eligibility) is more likely than changing the rules to prohibit games against FCS opponents.
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(Today 12:05 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(Today 10:44 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(Today 04:19 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  
(01-11-2020 09:03 AM)Crayton Wrote:  I believe it was relaxed in years where they only had 4 conference home games. Not sure how strictly that principle has been followed, before or after.

Really hard to tell before, since when the original AD agreement was made, they grandfathered in games already contracted. So you would have needed to have had a good database of contracted games that included the dates when the games were announced, plus a list of any waivers that were granted for one reason or another.

But that was also when they were negotiating for a new contract. Once they landed one, it is easier to run a compromise like the "when your division has 4 Big Ten home games" by the media partners to see if they object.

Nobody schedules FCS games 3 years in advance, at least not any FBS schools. Those are usually the last games scheduled.

Need to look at your teams' schedules more closely. I note that UGA already has FCS Samford scheduled for '22, Tennessee Tech for '24, Austin Peay for '25.

Kentucky has FCS Youngstown State scheduled for '22 and '26, E. Kentucky for '23, Murray State for '24 and '27.

Texas doesn't appear to need the FCS games, and has instead opted to have long-term payday deals with UTEP (/'20, '25, '27, '29, '31)and UTSA ('22, '24, '26, '28,'30), and two against Rice ('21, '23)
I'm surprised.

I would bet many of those FCS games change though. Is it a pencilled in game or a contract? I don't know.

Texas has only played FCS schools when there were short term scheduling problems, like when SMU got the death penalty.
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(Today 12:08 PM)Wedge Wrote:  It's simple economics, even though ADs and coaches will give other reasons for it. When they say it's not about the money, that's when you know it's about the money.

The price of G5 buy games keeps going up. Buying an FCS opponent instead of a G5 opponent can save $1 million or more, with no significant loss of game day revenue for the home team.

As a fan I would rather that FBS teams either never buy an FCS game or count those games only as exhibitions, but that's not going to happen. Changing the rules to permit FBS teams to play two FCS opponents each year (and have those games count toward bowl eligibility) is more likely than changing the rules to prohibit games against FCS opponents.

It is about the money. But I'm not sure its a good long term financial decision. Its part of the reason attendance is down. You aren't giving your fans a good product. And there are a lot of no shows which drives down other revenue. It strengthens alternative ticket sales which reduces the incentive to donate and get season tickets. It also reduces the value of the Tier III TV contracts.

The gap between the cost of a G5 and FCS game does seem to be growing. So I do agree they are unlikely to be eliminated by any conference. I expect the Big 10 to continue to backtrack.
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I still laugh when I think of all the chest thumping from the Big Ten crowd on this a few years ago.
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(Today 08:30 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-11-2020 03:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(01-11-2020 09:40 AM)chester Wrote:  Folks who are for divisions in the SEC, ACC & C-USA, but are against an odd number of conference games because of "unbalanced home/away" should keep this in mind. It's a non-factor regarding conferences that have an odd number of teams per division.

Nonsense. If you have built your team to contend THIS year it is most definitely a factor if this is the year you play five conference road games. It does you absolutely no good to have five home games next year when you are rebuilding and aren't a factor in contending for the title.

That's silly, as nobody builds a team to contend "this year". Sure, as it turns out, going in to a given season the coaches might think they have a contender, but nobody knows that in advance as there are too many moving parts. Nobody knows what years will be contending years or rebuilding years, unless you are a super-power like an Alabama, Clemson, or Ohio State where you figure you are going to contend every year.

So the two are never that kind of factor. Heck if it is, then of course you would build your team to contend in a year where the schedule, like having 5 home games, is favorable. But nobody can control that.


Once again you prove that you are clueless.


Going into the 2020 season you have a depth chart where 15 out of 22 starters are seniors. Your team is built to contend in 2020, as 2021 will be a rebuilding year.
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(Today 01:13 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(Today 08:30 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-11-2020 03:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(01-11-2020 09:40 AM)chester Wrote:  Folks who are for divisions in the SEC, ACC & C-USA, but are against an odd number of conference games because of "unbalanced home/away" should keep this in mind. It's a non-factor regarding conferences that have an odd number of teams per division.

Nonsense. If you have built your team to contend THIS year it is most definitely a factor if this is the year you play five conference road games. It does you absolutely no good to have five home games next year when you are rebuilding and aren't a factor in contending for the title.

That's silly, as nobody builds a team to contend "this year". Sure, as it turns out, going in to a given season the coaches might think they have a contender, but nobody knows that in advance as there are too many moving parts. Nobody knows what years will be contending years or rebuilding years, unless you are a super-power like an Alabama, Clemson, or Ohio State where you figure you are going to contend every year.

So the two are never that kind of factor. Heck if it is, then of course you would build your team to contend in a year where the schedule, like having 5 home games, is favorable. But nobody can control that.


Once again you prove that you are clueless.


Going into the 2020 season you have a depth chart where 15 out of 22 starters are seniors. Your team is built to contend in 2020, as 2021 will be a rebuilding year.

What a dumb response. As I said, at best you might know that *going in to 2020* it looks like a contending year, but that is TOO LATE to do anything with regards to scheduling, and you can't "build" your team for that in advance, as you never know which underclassmen are going to beat out seniors for a job, which seniors are going to leave early, whether the past fall's recruiting fills key holes or not, etc. There's no "building" or "targeting" years in advance as contending or rebuilding years, they just happen to be work out that way.

Your statement remains ridiculous.

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RE: B1G scheduling philosophy
Yes, scheduling occurs further out than "building" or "rebuilding". You know how many home games you have in a given year while you are on the recruiting trail.

Additionally, as was also stated, the malus of an extra away game is shared by your division-mates; you can't name an opponent who has a leg up on you. The only issues remaining are (1) your cross-division draw (compare Alabama's and Auburn's this year), and (2) whether you draw your division's heavy-weight home or away.
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