(01-10-2020 06:37 AM)batman Wrote: Young or not, Tyler Harris has shown no improvement from last year and that’s a problem. Lomax looks a little better, but they will both be served by developing some mid ranch game. Forget driving a la Ja Morant cause you ain’t jumping over people. Forget shooting 3s. Just develop a nice mid range game
Speaking of a nice mid-range game, we need to show these kids some videos of Phillip "Doom" Haynes from the early 80's. Now he had a great mid-range game. Nobody could, then or now, bank shots off the glass from 10 to 15 feet like he did.
I thought of this when IM missed a 12ft-er that he tried to swish. Nobody uses the glass anymore. You see it more on bad 3s these days (bbal in general, not just Memphis) than you do on 10-15ft-ers.
The bank shot retired with Tim Duncan.
As for the team I can't get down on them yet when looking the current factors. The only negative for me right now is TOs. The team, including Lomax, force too many bad passes.
Haha good point.
And as far as turnovers: Penny discusses teaching court vision and passing lanes so it's obvious they work on this. I wonder if the turnovers aren't growing pains and/or part of the process (learning to play faster.) Either way, I picture this improving as we go.
(01-10-2020 06:37 AM)batman Wrote: Young or not, Tyler Harris has shown no improvement from last year and that’s a problem. Lomax looks a little better, but they will both be served by developing some mid ranch game. Forget driving a la Ja Morant cause you ain’t jumping over people. Forget shooting 3s. Just develop a nice mid range game
Speaking of a nice mid-range game, we need to show these kids some videos of Phillip "Doom" Haynes from the early 80's. Now he had a great mid-range game. Nobody could, then or now, bank shots off the glass from 10 to 15 feet like he did.
I thought of this when IM missed a 12ft-er that he tried to swish. Nobody uses the glass anymore. You see it more on bad 3s these days (bbal in general, not just Memphis) than you do on 10-15ft-ers.
The bank shot retired with Tim Duncan.
As for the team I can't get down on them yet when looking the current factors. The only negative for me right now is TOs. The team, including Lomax, force too many bad passes.
Haha good point.
And as far as turnovers: Penny discusses teaching court vision and passing lanes so it's obvious they work on this. I wonder if the turnovers aren't growing pains and/or part of the process (learning to play faster.) Either way, I picture this improving as we go.
I think most of them are too selfless and it leads to make unnecessary passes. Boogie OTOH if he wants to be a PG, especially at the next level, needs to learn how to read situations better to reduce those bad shots. Precious should realize he can be a perimeter shooter without being a perimeter ball handler. I really hope he is working on his handles because what we see won't fly in the NBA.
I think Penny needs to use more sets that have IM and LT in the high/low post more instead of behind the arc. Some of the things they run are fine in the NBA, but this team doesn't have the right players to do those things IMO.
(01-09-2020 10:22 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote: We’re gonna have some growing pains. Said this from the get go. Just gonna happen. This team will be much better by March.
Keep making excuses for poor coaching. Those of us who played at varsity level know bad coaching when we see it.
(01-10-2020 08:06 AM)Virginia Tiger Wrote: Speaking of a nice mid-range game, we need to show these kids some videos of Phillip "Doom" Haynes from the early 80's. Now he had a great mid-range game. Nobody could, then or now, bank shots off the glass from 10 to 15 feet like he did.
I thought of this when IM missed a 12ft-er that he tried to swish. Nobody uses the glass anymore. You see it more on bad 3s these days (bbal in general, not just Memphis) than you do on 10-15ft-ers.
The bank shot retired with Tim Duncan.
As for the team I can't get down on them yet when looking the current factors. The only negative for me right now is TOs. The team, including Lomax, force too many bad passes.
Haha good point.
And as far as turnovers: Penny discusses teaching court vision and passing lanes so it's obvious they work on this. I wonder if the turnovers aren't growing pains and/or part of the process (learning to play faster.) Either way, I picture this improving as we go.
I think most of them are too selfless and it leads to make unnecessary passes. Boogie OTOH if he wants to be a PG, especially at the next level, needs to learn how to read situations better to reduce those bad shots. Precious should realize he can be a perimeter shooter without being a perimeter ball handler. I really hope he is working on his handles because what we see won't fly in the NBA.
I think Penny needs to use more sets that have IM and LT in the high/low post more instead of behind the arc. Some of the things they run are fine in the NBA, but this team doesn't have the right players to do those things IMO.
(01-10-2020 06:37 AM)batman Wrote: Young or not, Tyler Harris has shown no improvement from last year and that’s a problem. Lomax looks a little better, but they will both be served by developing some mid ranch game. Forget driving a la Ja Morant cause you ain’t jumping over people. Forget shooting 3s. Just develop a nice mid range game
Speaking of a nice mid-range game, we need to show these kids some videos of Phillip "Doom" Haynes from the early 80's. Now he had a great mid-range game. Nobody could, then or now, bank shots off the glass from 10 to 15 feet like he did.
I thought of this when IM missed a 12ft-er that he tried to swish. Nobody uses the glass anymore. You see it more on bad 3s these days (bbal in general, not just Memphis) than you do on 10-15ft-ers.
The bank shot retired with Tim Duncan.
As for the team I can't get down on them yet when looking the current factors. The only negative for me right now is TOs. The team, including Lomax, force too many bad passes.
I haven't seen a true bank shot artist since Doom Haynes, in fact he is the best I've ever seen
(01-09-2020 10:29 PM)Claw Wrote: To be honest, I'm not sure the staff has the road game thing figured out yet. This was a problem last year as well.
2-1 in pure road games
0-1 in a near road game, Oregon in Portland
1-0 on a neutral court with NC State
Beat USF and pure road games moves to 3-1, the only loss at a ranked team that was lying in wait. And even then, team almost accidentally stole that one being down 6 with the ball with 3 minutes left, with 2 players still clearly sick
I agree, lose at USF and we have a problem that will take several wins to remedy
And being even younger than other young teams does give our guys more room to grow, let alone they are not making talent errors, they are turning it over and missing free throws.
Maurice and Lance, the reason you’re wide open from the 3 is because the other team is begging you to shoot. Please stop.
Lester, you’re a much better shooter off the pass than off the dribble. Find a spot on the arc and wait for Alo or Precious to kick it out.
Alex... keep doing what you’re doing
Precious... keep doing what you’re doing
Tyler... see Lester
The one on one moves and 3’s off the dribble are the same as turnovers. Lance and Maurice’s missed 3’s are just turnovers. Be a little more deliberate on offense in order to get a good shot, not a forced or bad shot. Its not rocket science.
(01-10-2020 06:37 AM)batman Wrote: Young or not, Tyler Harris has shown no improvement from last year and that’s a problem. Lomax looks a little better, but they will both be served by developing some mid ranch game. Forget driving a la Ja Morant cause you ain’t jumping over people. Forget shooting 3s. Just develop a nice mid range game
Speaking of a nice mid-range game, we need to show these kids some videos of Phillip "Doom" Haynes from the early 80's. Now he had a great mid-range game. Nobody could, then or now, bank shots off the glass from 10 to 15 feet like he did.
I thought of this when IM missed a 12ft-er that he tried to swish. Nobody uses the glass anymore. You see it more on bad 3s these days (bbal in general, not just Memphis) than you do on 10-15ft-ers.
The bank shot retired with Tim Duncan.
As for the team I can't get down on them yet when looking the current factors. The only negative for me right now is TOs. The team, including Lomax, force too many bad passes.
I haven't seen a true bank shot artist since Doom Haynes, in fact he is the best I've ever seen
I've never seen him so Haynes might be the best ever for all I know. But when people on a national level thought of the bank shot they thought of Duncan.
(01-10-2020 08:06 AM)Virginia Tiger Wrote: Speaking of a nice mid-range game, we need to show these kids some videos of Phillip "Doom" Haynes from the early 80's. Now he had a great mid-range game. Nobody could, then or now, bank shots off the glass from 10 to 15 feet like he did.
I thought of this when IM missed a 12ft-er that he tried to swish. Nobody uses the glass anymore. You see it more on bad 3s these days (bbal in general, not just Memphis) than you do on 10-15ft-ers.
The bank shot retired with Tim Duncan.
As for the team I can't get down on them yet when looking the current factors. The only negative for me right now is TOs. The team, including Lomax, force too many bad passes.
I haven't seen a true bank shot artist since Doom Haynes, in fact he is the best I've ever seen
I've never seen him so Haynes might be the best ever for all I know. But when people on a national level thought of the bank shot they thought of Duncan.
Old School Memphis fans associate the bank shot with Doom Haynes. Players are too good now to shoot mid range jumpers... it’s all 3’s all the time... even if you can’t make one.
(This post was last modified: 01-11-2020 02:41 PM by Marc Mensa.)
(01-10-2020 11:55 AM)gusrob Wrote: I thought of this when IM missed a 12ft-er that he tried to swish. Nobody uses the glass anymore. You see it more on bad 3s these days (bbal in general, not just Memphis) than you do on 10-15ft-ers.
The bank shot retired with Tim Duncan.
As for the team I can't get down on them yet when looking the current factors. The only negative for me right now is TOs. The team, including Lomax, force too many bad passes.
I haven't seen a true bank shot artist since Doom Haynes, in fact he is the best I've ever seen
I've never seen him so Haynes might be the best ever for all I know. But when people on a national level thought of the bank shot they thought of Duncan.
Old School Memphis fans associate the bank shot with Doom Haynes. Players are too good now to shoot mid range jumpers... it’s all 3’s all the time... even if you can’t make one.
Trust me, play for play, Doom Haynes was the best I've ever seen.
He could pull up on a dead stop on the fast break and bank it in never touching the rim. It was his shot
(01-11-2020 02:40 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote: Old School Memphis fans associate the bank shot with Doom Haynes. Players are too good now to shoot mid range jumpers... it’s all 3’s all the time... even if you can’t make one.
Plus I'm guess the 3pt line wasn't instituted yet when he played. And I agree with the latter. Basketball is probably the worst "copycat" game of all sports. Instead of sticking to what you are best at, teams copy what the best teams do even if they don't have the players for it.
(01-11-2020 02:59 PM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote: Trust me, play for play, Doom Haynes was the best I've ever seen.
He could pull up on a dead stop on the fast break and bank it in never touching the rim. It was his shot
Sounds like he'd be a nice 3pt shooter in today's game.
(01-10-2020 02:20 PM)Alanda Wrote: The bank shot retired with Tim Duncan. [/B]
As for the team I can't get down on them yet when looking the current factors. The only negative for me right now is TOs. The team, including Lomax, force too many bad passes.
I haven't seen a true bank shot artist since Doom Haynes, in fact he is the best I've ever seen
I've never seen him so Haynes might be the best ever for all I know. But when people on a national level thought of the bank shot they thought of Duncan.
Old School Memphis fans associate the bank shot with Doom Haynes. Players are too good now to shoot mid range jumpers... it’s all 3’s all the time... even if you can’t make one.
Trust me, play for play, Doom Haynes was the best I've ever seen.
He could pull up on a dead stop on the fast break and bank it in never touching the rim. It was his shot
He was good but I wouldn't go that far. He seemed to be somewhat inconsistent. I think he only averaged 12 ppg for his career. It was fun to hear Doom when he shot.
(01-09-2020 10:22 PM)uskjtc02 Wrote: We’re gonna have some growing pains. Said this from the get go. Just gonna happen. This team will be much better by March.
Keep making excuses for poor coaching. Those of us who played at varsity level know bad coaching when we see it.
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