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RE: ***Official Memphis @ Wichita State Game Thread*** (1/9)
(01-09-2020 10:39 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  If I am not mistaken Georgia just dropped one to Vanderbilt. The blows just keep coming.

You are mistaken. They lost to Kentucky. They haven't played Vandy yet.
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Lotta over reaction in this thread. We didn’t play well, we didn’t hit crap. Defensive effort was there. We aren’t supposed to win this game on the road. Not winning at WSU when the arena and fans are jacked out of their mind isn’t shameful. At least we stayed in it and mounted a comeback.

But we just have to bench Maurice. He tries but it seems like every step he makes is the wrong one. Maybe tell him stop shooting 3s and focus on just getting good rebounding position.
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(01-10-2020 12:31 AM)jgardne Wrote:  Lotta over reaction in this thread. We didn’t play well, we didn’t hit crap. Defensive effort was there. We aren’t supposed to win this game on the road. Not winning at WSU when the arena and fans are jacked out of their mind isn’t shameful. At least we stayed in it and mounted a comeback.

But we just have to bench Maurice. He tries but it seems like every step he makes is the wrong one. Maybe tell him stop shooting 3s and focus on just getting good rebounding position.

were we supposed to win the Georgia game?
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RE: ***Official Memphis @ Wichita State Game Thread*** (1/9)
The makeup of the lineup is all screwed up because of Wiseman, and it's not purely his talent that we miss. IF we had another Dandridge we would be fine. We don't have a single post player aside from Dandridge and we only have 1 point guard. I don't care if LQ, Boogie or Baugh are playing the point, none of them are point guards yet. Tyler is more of a distributor than they are.

The way this all works...

1) Dandridge takes his lumps if he is physically ok. Get him into game shape during games and when he makes mistakes defensively, you live with them
2) Lomax has to be on the court 30 minutes; he is our only point guard
3) Maurice and Thomas need to be playing like many of WSU's bigs. They need to be harassing opponents on defense and if they foul out, it doesn't matter
4) Baugh, LQ, and Boogie should be also playing pressure defense and should be subbed in and out every 3-5 minutes because they are exhausted, until one of them proves that he can hit shots
5) Pick & roll and feed the post or the cutter. Try it a few times to see if it works
6) Tyler has to play no matter what, and you hope he is on. Him and Lomax are the only guards that play aggressively and without fear and are the only two I have confidence in to hit shots.

IF it took Joe Jackson, Barton, Black, Crawford...all recruits ranked at the same level as our guys, a while to figure it out, it's going to take our guys a while also. This team is very similar to 2011 but they are even younger. It will take time and yes we will improve more than teams that have more juniors and seniors. Patience.
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(01-10-2020 04:49 AM)tigersgrizzfan Wrote:  
(01-10-2020 12:31 AM)jgardne Wrote:  Lotta over reaction in this thread. We didn’t play well, we didn’t hit crap. Defensive effort was there. We aren’t supposed to win this game on the road. Not winning at WSU when the arena and fans are jacked out of their mind isn’t shameful. At least we stayed in it and mounted a comeback.

But we just have to bench Maurice. He tries but it seems like every step he makes is the wrong one. Maybe tell him stop shooting 3s and focus on just getting good rebounding position.

were we supposed to win the Georgia game?

Would we have won if DJ had not gotten sick?
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We can't play Maurice if the opponent has an inside player who has a pulse, can rebound or shoot. His liability is defense. Actually 3pt shooting is his strong suit (not that it's very strong) - but like everyone else on the team, excepting Harris, they couldn't buy a 3. But behind the poor 3pt shooting across the board is consistently poor shot preparation. Everyone is drifting sideways, going up off angled & rushing every shot. Even great shooters aren't successful with that poor shot process. Probably this underlying cause is a failure to pass the ball to work shooters open & to give shooters time to set & shoot. Seems the mentality is "I've got to be the one NOW" rather than patience & passing the shooters open. We have good shooter when the team offense works to get them open with sufficient time to take a good shot.
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(01-10-2020 07:50 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  We can't play Maurice

You could have stopped there. As for the shooting, we don’t run an offense to get anyone open. That’s not what playground ball does and playground ball gets you on Sportscenter and into “the league”. Watched some of Arizona - Oregon last night and what a world of difference. Screens, movement off the ball, swinging it side to side while the closest we get to that is a 3 man weave out top hoping to throw a lob on the back end.
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Go listen to Penny's post game presser. He is fully aware of every aspect of the game that we've been dinging him for. I've been guilty of lobbing criticism at him that he probably doesn't deserve. He echoed almost everything anyone here has said so he knows what's going on. Why that doesn't translate to on the court results is anyone's guess but I think he knows he has to shake things up, shorten the rotations and get these young men to buy 100% into game plans.

I made some rather harsh comments last night in the heat of the moment that I wish I could take back.
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(01-10-2020 07:22 AM)Joe1 Wrote:  
(01-10-2020 04:49 AM)tigersgrizzfan Wrote:  
(01-10-2020 12:31 AM)jgardne Wrote:  Lotta over reaction in this thread. We didn’t play well, we didn’t hit crap. Defensive effort was there. We aren’t supposed to win this game on the road. Not winning at WSU when the arena and fans are jacked out of their mind isn’t shameful. At least we stayed in it and mounted a comeback.

But we just have to bench Maurice. He tries but it seems like every step he makes is the wrong one. Maybe tell him stop shooting 3s and focus on just getting good rebounding position.

were we supposed to win the Georgia game?

Would we have won if DJ had not gotten sick?

I absolutely believe we would have won that game. We should have won that game, that’s what makes this one sting so bad.
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(01-10-2020 08:24 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Go listen to Penny's post game presser. He is fully aware of every aspect of the game that we've been dinging him for. I've been guilty of lobbing criticism at him that he probably doesn't deserve. He echoed almost everything anyone here has said so he knows what's going on. Why that doesn't translate to on the court results is anyone's guess but I think he knows he has to shake things up, shorten the rotations and get these young men to buy 100% into game plans.

I made some rather harsh comments last night in the heat of the moment that I wish I could take back.

It’s ok bro. That’s what being a great and passionate fan does to you. Sometimes it’s better to just bite your tongue for a while.
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(01-10-2020 07:50 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  We can't play Maurice if the opponent has an inside player who has a pulse, can rebound or shoot. His liability is defense. Actually 3pt shooting is his strong suit (not that it's very strong) - but like everyone else on the team, excepting Harris, they couldn't buy a 3. But behind the poor 3pt shooting across the board is consistently poor shot preparation. Everyone is drifting sideways, going up off angled & rushing every shot. Even great shooters aren't successful with that poor shot process. Probably this underlying cause is a failure to pass the ball to work shooters open & to give shooters time to set & shoot. Seems the mentality is "I've got to be the one NOW" rather than patience & passing the shooters open. We have good shooter when the team offense works to get them open with sufficient time to take a good shot.

Our offense doesn't do much to get shooters open. Do we even have off-ball action? It seems we've got 2 guys running a weave and 2 guys watching and a post guy with his hand up who never gets it passed into him when he has good position.
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(01-10-2020 08:24 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  Go listen to Penny's post game presser. He is fully aware of every aspect of the game that we've been dinging him for. I've been guilty of lobbing criticism at him that he probably doesn't deserve. He echoed almost everything anyone here has said so he knows what's going on. Why that doesn't translate to on the court results is anyone's guess but I think he knows he has to shake things up, shorten the rotations and get these young men to buy 100% into game plans.

I made some rather harsh comments last night in the heat of the moment that I wish I could take back.

Yeah exactly. I am 100% convinced they are being taught, but they are freshmen and it all falls apart once the ball hits the court.

But, the fact we came out of halftime, actually ran a play and that play was to set up a Maurice 3 completely disheartens me.

I dont know if you guys remember, but last season, when Penny took over the job he was being asked about the players... when it came to Maurice, Penny said... The first time I saw Maurice I immediately thought, "he looks like a basketball player"...

I think Penny has been stuck on that ever since. Maurice LOOKS like he should be a good basketball player... hey thats great... except he is NOT a good basketball player.
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(01-10-2020 09:20 AM)jgardne Wrote:  
(01-10-2020 07:50 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  We can't play Maurice if the opponent has an inside player who has a pulse, can rebound or shoot. His liability is defense. Actually 3pt shooting is his strong suit (not that it's very strong) - but like everyone else on the team, excepting Harris, they couldn't buy a 3. But behind the poor 3pt shooting across the board is consistently poor shot preparation. Everyone is drifting sideways, going up off angled & rushing every shot. Even great shooters aren't successful with that poor shot process. Probably this underlying cause is a failure to pass the ball to work shooters open & to give shooters time to set & shoot. Seems the mentality is "I've got to be the one NOW" rather than patience & passing the shooters open. We have good shooter when the team offense works to get them open with sufficient time to take a good shot.

Our offense doesn't do much to get shooters open. Do we even have off-ball action? It seems we've got 2 guys running a weave and 2 guys watching and a post guy with his hand up who never gets it passed into him when he has good position.

That has got to be fixed...Get the guys more touches in the post.
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(01-09-2020 11:31 PM)bmcgee81 Wrote:  
(01-09-2020 10:39 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  If I am not mistaken Georgia just dropped one to Vanderbilt. The blows just keep coming.

You are mistaken. They lost to Kentucky. They haven't played Vandy yet.

My bad, I didnt look it up, just saw someone else say it. (which is why I put in the "if I am not mistaken since I didnt verify it myself).
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(01-10-2020 09:20 AM)jgardne Wrote:  
(01-10-2020 07:50 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  We can't play Maurice if the opponent has an inside player who has a pulse, can rebound or shoot. His liability is defense. Actually 3pt shooting is his strong suit (not that it's very strong) - but like everyone else on the team, excepting Harris, they couldn't buy a 3. But behind the poor 3pt shooting across the board is consistently poor shot preparation. Everyone is drifting sideways, going up off angled & rushing every shot. Even great shooters aren't successful with that poor shot process. Probably this underlying cause is a failure to pass the ball to work shooters open & to give shooters time to set & shoot. Seems the mentality is "I've got to be the one NOW" rather than patience & passing the shooters open. We have good shooter when the team offense works to get them open with sufficient time to take a good shot.

Our offense doesn't do much to get shooters open. Do we even have off-ball action? It seems we've got 2 guys running a weave and 2 guys watching and a post guy with his hand up who never gets it passed into him when he has good position.

Virtually any offense gets players open if they move &/or pass the ball.
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Poor 3 pt shooting and FTs doomed us AGAIN.
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(01-09-2020 11:27 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  
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(01-09-2020 09:53 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  
(01-09-2020 09:25 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  
(01-09-2020 09:23 PM)PATiger Wrote:  It hurts more that Penny SUCKS as a coach. A veteran coach would have a top ten team with this talent.

And I was wondering how any poster could get a -95 rep.

Hernando Hills gave him positive points. Go figure

Maybe your daddy can buy you some ballz.

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(01-11-2020 11:58 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  
(01-09-2020 11:27 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  
(01-09-2020 10:43 PM)PATiger Wrote:  
(01-09-2020 09:53 PM)Joe1 Wrote:  
(01-09-2020 09:25 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  And I was wondering how any poster could get a -95 rep.

Hernando Hills gave him positive points. Go figure

Maybe your daddy can buy you some ballz.

Why are you here?01-wingedeagle

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Thank goodness!
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Time for this thread to die. there is a new game tomorrow
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(01-11-2020 10:25 PM)UOFMGLENN Wrote:  Time for this thread to die. there is a new game tomorrow

So you bumped it?
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