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(01-07-2020 03:00 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
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(01-07-2020 12:02 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Why is the FCS championship game on ABC on a Saturday and the FBS "championship" is on ESPN on a Monday?

I plan to tune in to the FCS title game and watch until NDST goes up by 10 or more points. Which probably should be late first, early second quarter.

Anyone who says that expanded playoffs prevents a few programs from having a chokehold on the top spots doesn't follow FCS.

But they have an actual playoff in FCS, like pretty much every sport other than FBS college football.

Membership in FBS is strictly voluntary, and every program that chooses to be in FBS rather than FCS participates in FBS with complete awareness that the NCAA has ceded the FBS postseason to the CFP and the bowl games, as part of an unspoken agreement that the big boys will stay in the NCAA, and put up with the NCAA's BS in all other sports, as long as they can run the football postseason.

That doesn't mean it makes sense.

I think it does. There is zero doubt that whoever wins the CFP has had the best season and is therefore the rightful champ.
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(01-07-2020 04:29 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  16 devalues the regular season. 8 with autobids maintains the importance of the regular season.

The NFL lets 12 of 32 make the playoffs but nobody thinks the regular season is unimportant.

And teams are resting starters Week 17 every year. In CFB, that’s rivalry week.
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(01-07-2020 07:10 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-07-2020 03:00 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
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(01-07-2020 01:42 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-07-2020 12:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I plan to tune in to the FCS title game and watch until NDST goes up by 10 or more points. Which probably should be late first, early second quarter.

Anyone who says that expanded playoffs prevents a few programs from having a chokehold on the top spots doesn't follow FCS.

But they have an actual playoff in FCS, like pretty much every sport other than FBS college football.

Membership in FBS is strictly voluntary, and every program that chooses to be in FBS rather than FCS participates in FBS with complete awareness that the NCAA has ceded the FBS postseason to the CFP and the bowl games, as part of an unspoken agreement that the big boys will stay in the NCAA, and put up with the NCAA's BS in all other sports, as long as they can run the football postseason.

That doesn't mean it makes sense.

I think it does. There is zero doubt that whoever wins the CFP has had the best season and is therefore the rightful champ.

It only means they've had the best final 2 games.
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If LSU/Clemson isn't the best team after January 14, I would love to see someone make a case for who is.
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(01-08-2020 09:57 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  If LSU/Clemson isn't the best team after January 14, I would love to see someone make a case for who is.

Nobody in the NFL has to "make a case" for anything. They settle it on the field.
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(01-07-2020 04:29 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  16 devalues the regular season. 8 with autobids maintains the importance of the regular season.

16 means this year's Iron Bowl was worthless. 8 means Auburn ended Alabama's season.

You don't want to get to a point where teams are sitting starters during rivalry weekend. That's supposed to be the pinnacle of the regular season.

We usually don't have 4 deserving teams in the CFP now. Why in the hell does anyone want to expand to 8? When we have 8 teams that compete without getting blown out and which keep a solid team from risking injury in a mop up game, maybe we can discuss this. But right now on any given year we've been lucky to have 2 schools that actually belong in the CFP. And semifinal blow outs have been the norm and the Clemson / Ohio State and Georgia / Oklahoma games the exception.
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(01-07-2020 03:17 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
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(01-07-2020 12:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I plan to tune in to the FCS title game and watch until NDST goes up by 10 or more points. Which probably should be late first, early second quarter.

Anyone who says that expanded playoffs prevents a few programs from having a chokehold on the top spots doesn't follow FCS.

But they have an actual playoff in FCS, like pretty much every sport other than FBS college football.

Membership in FBS is strictly voluntary, and every program that chooses to be in FBS rather than FCS participates in FBS with complete awareness that the NCAA has ceded the FBS postseason to the CFP and the bowl games, as part of an unspoken agreement that the big boys will stay in the NCAA, and put up with the NCAA's BS in all other sports, as long as they can run the football postseason.

That doesn't mean it makes sense.

It makes sense that the programs with influence don't want the NCAA siphoning the money out of the football postseason like the NCAA siphons the money out of the basketball postseason.

It's a choice between
(a) playing football in the part of Division I that has a 24-team playoff, or
(b) playing football in the part of Division I that includes programs like Ohio State and Alabama, knowing that the postseason structure is determined by a consensus among programs like Ohio State and Alabama.

I like the idea of a 24-team playoff, but it's not going to happen in FBS in my lifetime if ever.

The flaw of this argument is that MOST schools in Division III and II didn't join it in anticipation of having a playoff and a significant number of FCS schools did not join FCS voluntarily, they either got relegated in 1981 in the failed bid to stave off the OU/UGA litigation or they got forced up from Division II or III because those Divisions barred Division I members from playing football in their division.
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RE: ESPN Mega Cast for title game
(01-08-2020 03:34 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(01-07-2020 03:17 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-07-2020 03:00 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-07-2020 02:58 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-07-2020 01:42 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  But they have an actual playoff in FCS, like pretty much every sport other than FBS college football.

Membership in FBS is strictly voluntary, and every program that chooses to be in FBS rather than FCS participates in FBS with complete awareness that the NCAA has ceded the FBS postseason to the CFP and the bowl games, as part of an unspoken agreement that the big boys will stay in the NCAA, and put up with the NCAA's BS in all other sports, as long as they can run the football postseason.

That doesn't mean it makes sense.

It makes sense that the programs with influence don't want the NCAA siphoning the money out of the football postseason like the NCAA siphons the money out of the basketball postseason.

It's a choice between
(a) playing football in the part of Division I that has a 24-team playoff, or
(b) playing football in the part of Division I that includes programs like Ohio State and Alabama, knowing that the postseason structure is determined by a consensus among programs like Ohio State and Alabama.

I like the idea of a 24-team playoff, but it's not going to happen in FBS in my lifetime if ever.

The flaw of this argument is that MOST schools in Division III and II didn't join it in anticipation of having a playoff and a significant number of FCS schools did not join FCS voluntarily, they either got relegated in 1981 in the failed bid to stave off the OU/UGA litigation or they got forced up from Division II or III because those Divisions barred Division I members from playing football in their division.

It's a choice that schools in FBS have. They can move to FCS if they think that having a genuine playoff is more important than being able to say their football team plays in the same subdivision as Ohio State.

No one has been motivated to move to FCS for that reason. On the contrary, many schools have moved from FCS to FBS notwithstanding the fact that FBS has only a fake playoff, and that strongly suggests that some fans (including most of us here) care far more about a large FBS playoff than administrators at FBS schools do.

Obviously schools not in FBS today can't join FBS any time they want to.
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RE: ESPN Mega Cast for title game
(01-08-2020 04:57 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-08-2020 03:34 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(01-07-2020 03:17 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-07-2020 03:00 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(01-07-2020 02:58 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Membership in FBS is strictly voluntary, and every program that chooses to be in FBS rather than FCS participates in FBS with complete awareness that the NCAA has ceded the FBS postseason to the CFP and the bowl games, as part of an unspoken agreement that the big boys will stay in the NCAA, and put up with the NCAA's BS in all other sports, as long as they can run the football postseason.

That doesn't mean it makes sense.

It makes sense that the programs with influence don't want the NCAA siphoning the money out of the football postseason like the NCAA siphons the money out of the basketball postseason.

It's a choice between
(a) playing football in the part of Division I that has a 24-team playoff, or
(b) playing football in the part of Division I that includes programs like Ohio State and Alabama, knowing that the postseason structure is determined by a consensus among programs like Ohio State and Alabama.

I like the idea of a 24-team playoff, but it's not going to happen in FBS in my lifetime if ever.

The flaw of this argument is that MOST schools in Division III and II didn't join it in anticipation of having a playoff and a significant number of FCS schools did not join FCS voluntarily, they either got relegated in 1981 in the failed bid to stave off the OU/UGA litigation or they got forced up from Division II or III because those Divisions barred Division I members from playing football in their division.

It's a choice that schools in FBS have. They can move to FCS if they think that having a genuine playoff is more important than being able to say their football team plays in the same subdivision as Ohio State.

No one has been motivated to move to FCS for that reason. On the contrary, many schools have moved from FCS to FBS notwithstanding the fact that FBS has only a fake playoff, and that strongly suggests that some fans (including most of us here) care far more about a large FBS playoff than administrators at FBS schools do.

Obviously schools not in FBS today can't join FBS any time they want to.

It's also a choice to have only bowls working independently for best match-up, or coordinated to get 1 vs 2 or taking 1 vs 2 out of the existing bowls into a specially created game, and a choice to create a four team playoff.

The posters advising that schools should just leave FBS if they don't like the post-season system are being ridiculous. I remember only too well the BCS was an impossibility because the Rose Bowl was sacred.

Those arguing "membership is strictly voluntary" the NCAA tried that very argument when UNLV fought being placed on probation for hiring Tarkanian while he was under a show cause. The argument that UNLV could go join the NAIA was scoffed at by the courts.
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(01-07-2020 07:06 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-07-2020 04:29 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  16 devalues the regular season. 8 with autobids maintains the importance of the regular season.

The NFL lets 12 of 32 make the playoffs but nobody thinks the regular season is unimportant.

12 is less than 16 though, so the point you are making loses salience
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(01-11-2020 11:04 AM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  
(01-07-2020 07:06 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-07-2020 04:29 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  16 devalues the regular season. 8 with autobids maintains the importance of the regular season.

The NFL lets 12 of 32 make the playoffs but nobody thinks the regular season is unimportant.

12 is less than 16 though, so the point you are making loses salience

NFL 12 of 32 means 37.5% of teams make the post-season and 62.5% find their season concluded.

16 of 130 means 12.3% make the post-season championship and 87.7% stay home.

In basketball 68 of 254 make the championship tournament or 19.2% and 80.8% don't go.
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RE: ESPN Mega Cast for title game
(01-12-2020 04:44 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(01-11-2020 11:04 AM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  
(01-07-2020 07:06 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-07-2020 04:29 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  16 devalues the regular season. 8 with autobids maintains the importance of the regular season.

The NFL lets 12 of 32 make the playoffs but nobody thinks the regular season is unimportant.

12 is less than 16 though, so the point you are making loses salience

NFL 12 of 32 means 37.5% of teams make the post-season and 62.5% find their season concluded.

16 of 130 means 12.3% make the post-season championship and 87.7% stay home.

In basketball 68 of 254 make the championship tournament or 19.2% and 80.8% don't go.
I know you meant 354, but the numbers still jive.
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(01-07-2020 03:57 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
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(01-07-2020 03:25 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
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(01-07-2020 03:00 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  That doesn't mean it makes sense.

It makes sense that the programs with influence don't want the NCAA siphoning the money out of the football postseason like the NCAA siphons the money out of the basketball postseason.

It's a choice between
(a) playing football in the part of Division I that has a 24-team playoff, or
(b) playing football in the part of Division I that includes programs like Ohio State and Alabama, knowing that the postseason structure is determined by a consensus among programs like Ohio State and Alabama.

I like the idea of a 24-team playoff, but it's not going to happen in FBS in my lifetime if ever.

8 or 16 could at least be considered a playoff. 4 is like an oligarchy.

8 is a very slight improvement. The only thing it really gets us is 4 more games that would hopefully be entertaining.

An 8-team playoff will still leave out teams that are very capable of winning a playoff, and leave them out for no reason other than they have more than one loss and it's a small playoff. Example: Alabama was #12 in the final CFP ranking this season and wouldn't have even been in an 8-team playoff. Are you sure that Oklahoma was better than Alabama? Are you sure that #4 Oklahoma was more deserving than #12 Alabama for any reason other than OU had 1 loss and played in a different conference?

What do we want a larger playoff for? Because it's more fun, or because we want it to be a test of the best teams? A real test would include more than 2 or 3 at-large teams.

I would like 16. And I agree with the Alabama/Oklahoma situation, I almost brought that up myself.
A larger playoff is so the best team is less likely to be left out, not so the top 8 teams get in. Alabama was clearly not the best team. With Oklahoma, it took a postseason game vs. LSU to prove it.

Nobody outside Columbus believed Ohio St. would win in 2014.
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(01-07-2020 07:10 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(01-07-2020 12:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I plan to tune in to the FCS title game and watch until NDST goes up by 10 or more points. Which probably should be late first, early second quarter.

Anyone who says that expanded playoffs prevents a few programs from having a chokehold on the top spots doesn't follow FCS.

But they have an actual playoff in FCS, like pretty much every sport other than FBS college football.

Membership in FBS is strictly voluntary, and every program that chooses to be in FBS rather than FCS participates in FBS with complete awareness that the NCAA has ceded the FBS postseason to the CFP and the bowl games, as part of an unspoken agreement that the big boys will stay in the NCAA, and put up with the NCAA's BS in all other sports, as long as they can run the football postseason.

That doesn't mean it makes sense.

I think it does. There is zero doubt that whoever wins the CFP has had the best season and is therefore the rightful champ.

TCU had the best season and should have been the champ in 2014.

BCS was still a big "M" MNC. CFP is a small "m" mNC, but there is still an "m."
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(01-08-2020 09:57 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  If LSU/Clemson isn't the best team after January 14, I would love to see someone make a case for who is.

Nobody in the NFL has to "make a case" for anything. They settle it on the field.

Exactly.
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(01-07-2020 04:29 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  16 devalues the regular season. 8 with autobids maintains the importance of the regular season.

16 means this year's Iron Bowl was worthless. 8 means Auburn ended Alabama's season.

You don't want to get to a point where teams are sitting starters during rivalry weekend. That's supposed to be the pinnacle of the regular season.

We usually don't have 4 deserving teams in the CFP now. Why in the hell does anyone want to expand to 8? When we have 8 teams that compete without getting blown out and which keep a solid team from risking injury in a mop up game, maybe we can discuss this. But right now on any given year we've been lucky to have 2 schools that actually belong in the CFP. And semifinal blow outs have been the norm and the Clemson / Ohio State and Georgia / Oklahoma games the exception.

2014 Oregon 59 FSU 20. So the only unbeaten, a #3 seed didn't belong?
2017 Alabama 24 Clemson 6. So the #1 seed and defending champion didn't belong?
2018 Clemson 30 Notre Dame 3. So an unbeaten #3 seed didn't belong?
2018 Clemson 44 Alabama 16 in the title game. So an unbeaten #2 seed didn't belong?

And the BCS, do I need to go over all the times an unbeaten or #1 team got blown out?

Until you play the game, you really don't know.
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(01-12-2020 06:52 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-08-2020 11:12 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-07-2020 04:29 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  16 devalues the regular season. 8 with autobids maintains the importance of the regular season.

16 means this year's Iron Bowl was worthless. 8 means Auburn ended Alabama's season.

You don't want to get to a point where teams are sitting starters during rivalry weekend. That's supposed to be the pinnacle of the regular season.

We usually don't have 4 deserving teams in the CFP now. Why in the hell does anyone want to expand to 8? When we have 8 teams that compete without getting blown out and which keep a solid team from risking injury in a mop up game, maybe we can discuss this. But right now on any given year we've been lucky to have 2 schools that actually belong in the CFP. And semifinal blow outs have been the norm and the Clemson / Ohio State and Georgia / Oklahoma games the exception.

2014 Oregon 59 FSU 20. So the only unbeaten, a #3 seed didn't belong?
2017 Alabama 24 Clemson 6. So the #1 seed and defending champion didn't belong?
2018 Clemson 30 Notre Dame 3. So an unbeaten #3 seed didn't belong?
2018 Clemson 44 Alabama 16 in the title game. So an unbeaten #2 seed didn't belong?

And the BCS, do I need to go over all the times an unbeaten or #1 team got blown out?

Until you play the game, you really don't know.

It just proves why we need a P4 and a champs only format. It doesn't prove why we need to include 4 more and play yet another extra game. If you can agree that a conference championship is earned on the field, then surely you can agree that 4 champions playing it off settles it on the field.

Whiz on 4 runners up, and with marketing like it is today we don't need 5 conferences either.
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(01-07-2020 07:10 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(01-07-2020 12:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I plan to tune in to the FCS title game and watch until NDST goes up by 10 or more points. Which probably should be late first, early second quarter.

Anyone who says that expanded playoffs prevents a few programs from having a chokehold on the top spots doesn't follow FCS.

But they have an actual playoff in FCS, like pretty much every sport other than FBS college football.

Membership in FBS is strictly voluntary, and every program that chooses to be in FBS rather than FCS participates in FBS with complete awareness that the NCAA has ceded the FBS postseason to the CFP and the bowl games, as part of an unspoken agreement that the big boys will stay in the NCAA, and put up with the NCAA's BS in all other sports, as long as they can run the football postseason.

That doesn't mean it makes sense.

I think it does. There is zero doubt that whoever wins the CFP has had the best season and is therefore the rightful champ.

Untrue. 2014 TCU not only likely beats all 4 CFP teams, their loss was on the road by 3 at #7 while Ohio St’s loss was by 2 TD’s at home to a .500 club.
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(01-07-2020 11:57 AM)stever20 Wrote:  https://espnpressroom.com/us/press-relea...echnology/

what's funny is the one that I wish was on an actual channel and not on ESPN 3 is the Ref Cast. how cool does this sound:
Refcast on ESPN App
A Bristol-based production where John Parry (former NFL referee), Matt Austin (former SEC referee) and Judson Howard (Pac-12 replay official) provide reaction and commentary from a referee’s perspective. An additional referee may be added to the presentation.

This shows what ESPiN with the money it is willing to spend to control CFB. It is working from what I am seeing, in ratings.
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(01-07-2020 02:58 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
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(01-07-2020 12:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-07-2020 12:02 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  Why is the FCS championship game on ABC on a Saturday and the FBS "championship" is on ESPN on a Monday?

I plan to tune in to the FCS title game and watch until NDST goes up by 10 or more points. Which probably should be late first, early second quarter.

Anyone who says that expanded playoffs prevents a few programs from having a chokehold on the top spots doesn't follow FCS.

But they have an actual playoff in FCS, like pretty much every sport other than FBS college football.

Membership in FBS is strictly voluntary, and every program that chooses to be in FBS rather than FCS participates in FBS with complete awareness that the NCAA has ceded the FBS postseason to the CFP and the bowl games, as part of an unspoken agreement that the big boys will stay in the NCAA, and put up with the NCAA's BS in all other sports, as long as they can run the football postseason.

Can't argue. It is not a real playoff.
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