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(01-02-2020 12:54 AM)stever20 Wrote:  the Baylor QB needs to stop playing football IMO

He's a tough guy. Granddad played QB for Texas in the 50s. Dad played QB for Texas in the early 80s. Brother played for Texas Tech. But it sounds like he has had enough concussions. Got hit in the head twice on personal fouls this game. Kirby needs to clean that up. Georgia is not Alabama.
I agree with the personal foul that was a shove to the head by a pass rusher. I wholeheartedly disagree about the sideline tackle. All three players involved were still barely in bounds when the guy who hit him last made his lunge that resulted in the hit out of bounds. I don't disagree with the penalty there, but there was no intent to harm and it was a football move by the player making contact.

It's Baylor's fault for having a kid who can't have the back of his hit the ground still in a tackle football game. It could have happened on any play. His brain is still concussive if falling on his back and having the back of his head in a helmet hitting the ground causes him to black out or lose his bearings. Clearly he should not have been playing at all. The Georgia kid and any other trying to stop a runner going down the sideline could have innocently created the same circumstance or for that matter a pass rusher hitting him square in the chest and putting him on his back.

2nd player launched into him and went full force driving him into the ground after he was out of bounds. 1st player hitting him played it perfectly. It was the 2nd player who took a cheap shot.

lol, no. Was it a penalty? Yes. Was it dirty, no way. it was much closer to not being a penalty though than you think.

Watch a video before you comment. The guy didn't launch until the Baylor player had a foot out of bounds.
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(01-02-2020 11:08 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Georgia's performance was pretty remarkable. This was a Baylor team that had lost only two games, both to playoff team Oklahoma, and both by the narrowest of margins. They were unlucky not to win at least one of those games.

And a depleted Georgia team strangled them pretty much start to finish, holding Baylor to their lowest points of the season.

A testament to the amazing recruiting job Smart has done. That is a deep team.

And a really good defensive team without 6 from the two deep, probably had its best game of the season. Those young guys were fast to the ball.
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(01-02-2020 11:08 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Georgia's performance was pretty remarkable. This was a Baylor team that had lost only two games, both to playoff team Oklahoma, and both by the narrowest of margins. They were unlucky not to win at least one of those games.

And a depleted Georgia team strangled them pretty much start to finish, holding Baylor to their lowest points of the season.

A testament to the amazing recruiting job Smart has done. That is a deep team.

Now Quo that brings me back to the Sagarin saying the Big 12 was the best conference. Their Champion was massacred 63-28. Their other two ranked teams beaten, one by an unranked A&M and the other by a ranked Georgia. Kansas State lost to G5 Navy. Texas picked up their lone bowl win. I see no valid line of comparison to say they were the best conference, or even the 2nd best conference. Clearly it was a tough year for the Big 12.

Oklahoma St. was #25 lost by 3 in a virtual road game vs. A&M who was #29 in the AP poll. OSU was 29 in Massey composite and A&M was 32.

The SEC's #2 team got massacred by the SEC's #1 team 37-10. LSU is really, really good.

A team that went 5-4 in the Big 12 massacred the #2 team in the Pac 38-10 and only lost 45-38 to that SEC #1 team.

1-5 or 2-4 is about what you would expect given the Big 12's matchups. They were underdogs in all 6 and big underdogs in 4 of the games. In the Massey composite they were 4 vs. 2, 16 vs. 5, 30 vs. 11, 27 vs. 12, 28 vs. 21, 29 vs. 32.

The top of the SEC is the best group. The top of the Big 10 is stronger than the top of the Big 12. But the bottom of the Big 12 is pretty good. The bottom of the Big 10 is putrid as usual and the bottom of the SEC is the weakest I remember. The argument that the Big 12 is the best is not that it has the best teams. Its that it is the best average top to bottom. TCU was the #8 team in the conference, finished 5-7, yet is #49 in the Massey composite, the top ranked non-bowl team. 6 of their 7 losses were by a combined 30 points (only ISU was a bad loss). Think about the bottom quarter of any other conference and how non-competitive they were.

However, 7-2 in bowls probably means the SEC will move to #1 in the computers.
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RE: Allstate Sugar Bowl: Baylor vs Georgia
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(01-02-2020 08:33 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-02-2020 08:31 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-02-2020 01:36 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-02-2020 01:23 AM)bullet Wrote:  He's a tough guy. Granddad played QB for Texas in the 50s. Dad played QB for Texas in the early 80s. Brother played for Texas Tech. But it sounds like he has had enough concussions. Got hit in the head twice on personal fouls this game. Kirby needs to clean that up. Georgia is not Alabama.
I agree with the personal foul that was a shove to the head by a pass rusher. I wholeheartedly disagree about the sideline tackle. All three players involved were still barely in bounds when the guy who hit him last made his lunge that resulted in the hit out of bounds. I don't disagree with the penalty there, but there was no intent to harm and it was a football move by the player making contact.

It's Baylor's fault for having a kid who can't have the back of his hit the ground still in a tackle football game. It could have happened on any play. His brain is still concussive if falling on his back and having the back of his head in a helmet hitting the ground causes him to black out or lose his bearings. Clearly he should not have been playing at all. The Georgia kid and any other trying to stop a runner going down the sideline could have innocently created the same circumstance or for that matter a pass rusher hitting him square in the chest and putting him on his back.

2nd player launched into him and went full force driving him into the ground after he was out of bounds. 1st player hitting him played it perfectly. It was the 2nd player who took a cheap shot.

lol, no. Was it a penalty? Yes. Was it dirty, no way. it was much closer to not being a penalty though than you think.

Watch a video before you comment. The guy didn't launch until the Baylor player had a foot out of bounds.

I saw it. It's your run of the mill late hit that you see every single weekend. Definitely not close to the dirtiest hit of bowl season- that goes to the dumb ass Oklahoma player vs LSU.
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RE: Allstate Sugar Bowl: Baylor vs Georgia
(01-03-2020 12:21 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-02-2020 12:00 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-02-2020 11:08 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Georgia's performance was pretty remarkable. This was a Baylor team that had lost only two games, both to playoff team Oklahoma, and both by the narrowest of margins. They were unlucky not to win at least one of those games.

And a depleted Georgia team strangled them pretty much start to finish, holding Baylor to their lowest points of the season.

A testament to the amazing recruiting job Smart has done. That is a deep team.

Now Quo that brings me back to the Sagarin saying the Big 12 was the best conference. Their Champion was massacred 63-28. Their other two ranked teams beaten, one by an unranked A&M and the other by a ranked Georgia. Kansas State lost to G5 Navy. Texas picked up their lone bowl win. I see no valid line of comparison to say they were the best conference, or even the 2nd best conference. Clearly it was a tough year for the Big 12.

Oklahoma St. was #25 lost by 3 in a virtual road game vs. A&M who was #29 in the AP poll. OSU was 29 in Massey composite and A&M was 32.

The SEC's #2 team got massacred by the SEC's #1 team 37-10. LSU is really, really good.

A team that went 5-4 in the Big 12 massacred the #2 team in the Pac 38-10 and only lost 45-38 to that SEC #1 team.

1-5 or 2-4 is about what you would expect given the Big 12's matchups. They were underdogs in all 6 and big underdogs in 4 of the games. In the Massey composite they were 4 vs. 2, 16 vs. 5, 30 vs. 11, 27 vs. 12, 28 vs. 21, 29 vs. 32.

The top of the SEC is the best group. The top of the Big 10 is stronger than the top of the Big 12. But the bottom of the Big 12 is pretty good. The bottom of the Big 10 is putrid as usual and the bottom of the SEC is the weakest I remember. The argument that the Big 12 is the best is not that it has the best teams. Its that it is the best average top to bottom. TCU was the #8 team in the conference, finished 5-7, yet is #49 in the Massey composite, the top ranked non-bowl team. 6 of their 7 losses were by a combined 30 points (only ISU was a bad loss). Think about the bottom quarter of any other conference and how non-competitive they were.

However, 7-2 in bowls probably means the SEC will move to #1 in the computers.

a conference is measured by how good their top teams are, not how deep they are.

Also Utah was so overrated it's not funny. They played 3 teams with a pulse this year. 0-3 in those games and 48-105 in the 3 games. They were an absolute paper tiger. That's more how putrid Utah was vs how good Texas was.
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(01-03-2020 12:21 AM)bullet Wrote:  However, 7-2 in bowls probably means the SEC will move to #1 in the computers.

The sometimes-maligned SEC East really pulled its weight - went 4-0 with wins in the Orange and Sugar bowls.
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RE: Allstate Sugar Bowl: Baylor vs Georgia
(01-03-2020 08:21 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-03-2020 12:21 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-02-2020 12:00 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-02-2020 11:08 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Georgia's performance was pretty remarkable. This was a Baylor team that had lost only two games, both to playoff team Oklahoma, and both by the narrowest of margins. They were unlucky not to win at least one of those games.

And a depleted Georgia team strangled them pretty much start to finish, holding Baylor to their lowest points of the season.

A testament to the amazing recruiting job Smart has done. That is a deep team.

Now Quo that brings me back to the Sagarin saying the Big 12 was the best conference. Their Champion was massacred 63-28. Their other two ranked teams beaten, one by an unranked A&M and the other by a ranked Georgia. Kansas State lost to G5 Navy. Texas picked up their lone bowl win. I see no valid line of comparison to say they were the best conference, or even the 2nd best conference. Clearly it was a tough year for the Big 12.

Oklahoma St. was #25 lost by 3 in a virtual road game vs. A&M who was #29 in the AP poll. OSU was 29 in Massey composite and A&M was 32.

The SEC's #2 team got massacred by the SEC's #1 team 37-10. LSU is really, really good.

A team that went 5-4 in the Big 12 massacred the #2 team in the Pac 38-10 and only lost 45-38 to that SEC #1 team.

1-5 or 2-4 is about what you would expect given the Big 12's matchups. They were underdogs in all 6 and big underdogs in 4 of the games. In the Massey composite they were 4 vs. 2, 16 vs. 5, 30 vs. 11, 27 vs. 12, 28 vs. 21, 29 vs. 32.

The top of the SEC is the best group. The top of the Big 10 is stronger than the top of the Big 12. But the bottom of the Big 12 is pretty good. The bottom of the Big 10 is putrid as usual and the bottom of the SEC is the weakest I remember. The argument that the Big 12 is the best is not that it has the best teams. Its that it is the best average top to bottom. TCU was the #8 team in the conference, finished 5-7, yet is #49 in the Massey composite, the top ranked non-bowl team. 6 of their 7 losses were by a combined 30 points (only ISU was a bad loss). Think about the bottom quarter of any other conference and how non-competitive they were.

However, 7-2 in bowls probably means the SEC will move to #1 in the computers.

a conference is measured by how good their top teams are, not how deep they are.

Also Utah was so overrated it's not funny. They played 3 teams with a pulse this year. 0-3 in those games and 48-105 in the 3 games. They were an absolute paper tiger. That's more how putrid Utah was vs how good Texas was.

Do you argue just to argue? You really don't seem to have a clue what we are talking about. Make yourself look ridiculous. The computer conference ratings are based on the average.

You can say Utah was overrated, but Texas still beat them worse than Oregon. And played LSU much closer than Georgia. Texas isn't better than Oregon and Georgia, but it demonstrates that the middle of the Big 12 is pretty tough.
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RE: Allstate Sugar Bowl: Baylor vs Georgia
(01-03-2020 10:49 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-03-2020 08:21 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-03-2020 12:21 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-02-2020 12:00 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-02-2020 11:08 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Georgia's performance was pretty remarkable. This was a Baylor team that had lost only two games, both to playoff team Oklahoma, and both by the narrowest of margins. They were unlucky not to win at least one of those games.

And a depleted Georgia team strangled them pretty much start to finish, holding Baylor to their lowest points of the season.

A testament to the amazing recruiting job Smart has done. That is a deep team.

Now Quo that brings me back to the Sagarin saying the Big 12 was the best conference. Their Champion was massacred 63-28. Their other two ranked teams beaten, one by an unranked A&M and the other by a ranked Georgia. Kansas State lost to G5 Navy. Texas picked up their lone bowl win. I see no valid line of comparison to say they were the best conference, or even the 2nd best conference. Clearly it was a tough year for the Big 12.

Oklahoma St. was #25 lost by 3 in a virtual road game vs. A&M who was #29 in the AP poll. OSU was 29 in Massey composite and A&M was 32.

The SEC's #2 team got massacred by the SEC's #1 team 37-10. LSU is really, really good.

A team that went 5-4 in the Big 12 massacred the #2 team in the Pac 38-10 and only lost 45-38 to that SEC #1 team.

1-5 or 2-4 is about what you would expect given the Big 12's matchups. They were underdogs in all 6 and big underdogs in 4 of the games. In the Massey composite they were 4 vs. 2, 16 vs. 5, 30 vs. 11, 27 vs. 12, 28 vs. 21, 29 vs. 32.

The top of the SEC is the best group. The top of the Big 10 is stronger than the top of the Big 12. But the bottom of the Big 12 is pretty good. The bottom of the Big 10 is putrid as usual and the bottom of the SEC is the weakest I remember. The argument that the Big 12 is the best is not that it has the best teams. Its that it is the best average top to bottom. TCU was the #8 team in the conference, finished 5-7, yet is #49 in the Massey composite, the top ranked non-bowl team. 6 of their 7 losses were by a combined 30 points (only ISU was a bad loss). Think about the bottom quarter of any other conference and how non-competitive they were.

However, 7-2 in bowls probably means the SEC will move to #1 in the computers.

a conference is measured by how good their top teams are, not how deep they are.

Also Utah was so overrated it's not funny. They played 3 teams with a pulse this year. 0-3 in those games and 48-105 in the 3 games. They were an absolute paper tiger. That's more how putrid Utah was vs how good Texas was.

Do you argue just to argue? You really don't seem to have a clue what we are talking about. Make yourself look ridiculous. The computer conference ratings are based on the average.

You can say Utah was overrated, but Texas still beat them worse than Oregon. And played LSU much closer than Georgia. Texas isn't better than Oregon and Georgia, but it demonstrates that the middle of the Big 12 is pretty tough.

Texas is a talented team, they always are because they always get plenty of Texas high-level athletes. And talent gives you a "puncher's chance" against anyone, even better-coached teams.

In recent years, Texas has shown a propensity to play their better games against very good teams, they can look sloppy and embarrassingly inept vs lesser teams but tend to answer the bell when a real challenge looms. The Utah game being an example.
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RE: Allstate Sugar Bowl: Baylor vs Georgia
(01-03-2020 10:49 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-03-2020 08:21 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-03-2020 12:21 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-02-2020 12:00 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-02-2020 11:08 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Georgia's performance was pretty remarkable. This was a Baylor team that had lost only two games, both to playoff team Oklahoma, and both by the narrowest of margins. They were unlucky not to win at least one of those games.

And a depleted Georgia team strangled them pretty much start to finish, holding Baylor to their lowest points of the season.

A testament to the amazing recruiting job Smart has done. That is a deep team.

Now Quo that brings me back to the Sagarin saying the Big 12 was the best conference. Their Champion was massacred 63-28. Their other two ranked teams beaten, one by an unranked A&M and the other by a ranked Georgia. Kansas State lost to G5 Navy. Texas picked up their lone bowl win. I see no valid line of comparison to say they were the best conference, or even the 2nd best conference. Clearly it was a tough year for the Big 12.

Oklahoma St. was #25 lost by 3 in a virtual road game vs. A&M who was #29 in the AP poll. OSU was 29 in Massey composite and A&M was 32.

The SEC's #2 team got massacred by the SEC's #1 team 37-10. LSU is really, really good.

A team that went 5-4 in the Big 12 massacred the #2 team in the Pac 38-10 and only lost 45-38 to that SEC #1 team.

1-5 or 2-4 is about what you would expect given the Big 12's matchups. They were underdogs in all 6 and big underdogs in 4 of the games. In the Massey composite they were 4 vs. 2, 16 vs. 5, 30 vs. 11, 27 vs. 12, 28 vs. 21, 29 vs. 32.

The top of the SEC is the best group. The top of the Big 10 is stronger than the top of the Big 12. But the bottom of the Big 12 is pretty good. The bottom of the Big 10 is putrid as usual and the bottom of the SEC is the weakest I remember. The argument that the Big 12 is the best is not that it has the best teams. Its that it is the best average top to bottom. TCU was the #8 team in the conference, finished 5-7, yet is #49 in the Massey composite, the top ranked non-bowl team. 6 of their 7 losses were by a combined 30 points (only ISU was a bad loss). Think about the bottom quarter of any other conference and how non-competitive they were.

However, 7-2 in bowls probably means the SEC will move to #1 in the computers.

a conference is measured by how good their top teams are, not how deep they are.

Also Utah was so overrated it's not funny. They played 3 teams with a pulse this year. 0-3 in those games and 48-105 in the 3 games. They were an absolute paper tiger. That's more how putrid Utah was vs how good Texas was.

Do you argue just to argue? You really don't seem to have a clue what we are talking about. Make yourself look ridiculous. The computer conference ratings are based on the average.

You can say Utah was overrated, but Texas still beat them worse than Oregon. And played LSU much closer than Georgia. Texas isn't better than Oregon and Georgia, but it demonstrates that the middle of the Big 12 is pretty tough.

I don't have a horse in this race, but I find it funny that you're excusing Oklahoma State for losing "a virtual home game" vs. TAMU in Houston while ripping Utah for losing to Texas in San Antonio. If you're going to play the transitivity game, play fair.

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RE: Allstate Sugar Bowl: Baylor vs Georgia
(01-03-2020 10:49 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-03-2020 08:21 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-03-2020 12:21 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-02-2020 12:00 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-02-2020 11:08 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Georgia's performance was pretty remarkable. This was a Baylor team that had lost only two games, both to playoff team Oklahoma, and both by the narrowest of margins. They were unlucky not to win at least one of those games.

And a depleted Georgia team strangled them pretty much start to finish, holding Baylor to their lowest points of the season.

A testament to the amazing recruiting job Smart has done. That is a deep team.

Now Quo that brings me back to the Sagarin saying the Big 12 was the best conference. Their Champion was massacred 63-28. Their other two ranked teams beaten, one by an unranked A&M and the other by a ranked Georgia. Kansas State lost to G5 Navy. Texas picked up their lone bowl win. I see no valid line of comparison to say they were the best conference, or even the 2nd best conference. Clearly it was a tough year for the Big 12.

Oklahoma St. was #25 lost by 3 in a virtual road game vs. A&M who was #29 in the AP poll. OSU was 29 in Massey composite and A&M was 32.

The SEC's #2 team got massacred by the SEC's #1 team 37-10. LSU is really, really good.

A team that went 5-4 in the Big 12 massacred the #2 team in the Pac 38-10 and only lost 45-38 to that SEC #1 team.

1-5 or 2-4 is about what you would expect given the Big 12's matchups. They were underdogs in all 6 and big underdogs in 4 of the games. In the Massey composite they were 4 vs. 2, 16 vs. 5, 30 vs. 11, 27 vs. 12, 28 vs. 21, 29 vs. 32.

The top of the SEC is the best group. The top of the Big 10 is stronger than the top of the Big 12. But the bottom of the Big 12 is pretty good. The bottom of the Big 10 is putrid as usual and the bottom of the SEC is the weakest I remember. The argument that the Big 12 is the best is not that it has the best teams. Its that it is the best average top to bottom. TCU was the #8 team in the conference, finished 5-7, yet is #49 in the Massey composite, the top ranked non-bowl team. 6 of their 7 losses were by a combined 30 points (only ISU was a bad loss). Think about the bottom quarter of any other conference and how non-competitive they were.

However, 7-2 in bowls probably means the SEC will move to #1 in the computers.

a conference is measured by how good their top teams are, not how deep they are.

Also Utah was so overrated it's not funny. They played 3 teams with a pulse this year. 0-3 in those games and 48-105 in the 3 games. They were an absolute paper tiger. That's more how putrid Utah was vs how good Texas was.

Do you argue just to argue? You really don't seem to have a clue what we are talking about. Make yourself look ridiculous. The computer conference ratings are based on the average.

You can say Utah was overrated, but Texas still beat them worse than Oregon. And played LSU much closer than Georgia. Texas isn't better than Oregon and Georgia, but it demonstrates that the middle of the Big 12 is pretty tough.

Oregon let up on Utah in the 2nd half. It was 20-0 at halftime.

and computer conference ratings are crap. no one gives a **** how good your 10th place team is. What matters is how good your top 3-4 teams are. Depth is overrated.
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RE: Allstate Sugar Bowl: Baylor vs Georgia
(01-03-2020 11:30 AM)usffan Wrote:  
(01-03-2020 10:49 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-03-2020 08:21 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-03-2020 12:21 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-02-2020 12:00 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Now Quo that brings me back to the Sagarin saying the Big 12 was the best conference. Their Champion was massacred 63-28. Their other two ranked teams beaten, one by an unranked A&M and the other by a ranked Georgia. Kansas State lost to G5 Navy. Texas picked up their lone bowl win. I see no valid line of comparison to say they were the best conference, or even the 2nd best conference. Clearly it was a tough year for the Big 12.

Oklahoma St. was #25 lost by 3 in a virtual road game vs. A&M who was #29 in the AP poll. OSU was 29 in Massey composite and A&M was 32.

The SEC's #2 team got massacred by the SEC's #1 team 37-10. LSU is really, really good.

A team that went 5-4 in the Big 12 massacred the #2 team in the Pac 38-10 and only lost 45-38 to that SEC #1 team.

1-5 or 2-4 is about what you would expect given the Big 12's matchups. They were underdogs in all 6 and big underdogs in 4 of the games. In the Massey composite they were 4 vs. 2, 16 vs. 5, 30 vs. 11, 27 vs. 12, 28 vs. 21, 29 vs. 32.

The top of the SEC is the best group. The top of the Big 10 is stronger than the top of the Big 12. But the bottom of the Big 12 is pretty good. The bottom of the Big 10 is putrid as usual and the bottom of the SEC is the weakest I remember. The argument that the Big 12 is the best is not that it has the best teams. Its that it is the best average top to bottom. TCU was the #8 team in the conference, finished 5-7, yet is #49 in the Massey composite, the top ranked non-bowl team. 6 of their 7 losses were by a combined 30 points (only ISU was a bad loss). Think about the bottom quarter of any other conference and how non-competitive they were.

However, 7-2 in bowls probably means the SEC will move to #1 in the computers.

a conference is measured by how good their top teams are, not how deep they are.

Also Utah was so overrated it's not funny. They played 3 teams with a pulse this year. 0-3 in those games and 48-105 in the 3 games. They were an absolute paper tiger. That's more how putrid Utah was vs how good Texas was.

Do you argue just to argue? You really don't seem to have a clue what we are talking about. Make yourself look ridiculous. The computer conference ratings are based on the average.

You can say Utah was overrated, but Texas still beat them worse than Oregon. And played LSU much closer than Georgia. Texas isn't better than Oregon and Georgia, but it demonstrates that the middle of the Big 12 is pretty tough.

I don't have a horse in this race, but I find it funny that you're excusing Oklahoma State for losing "a virtual home game" vs. TAMU in Houston while ripping Utah for losing to Texas in San Antonio. If you're going to play the transitivity game, play fair.

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(01-03-2020 12:21 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-02-2020 12:00 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Now Quo that brings me back to the Sagarin saying the Big 12 was the best conference. Their Champion was massacred 63-28. Their other two ranked teams beaten, one by an unranked A&M and the other by a ranked Georgia. Kansas State lost to G5 Navy. Texas picked up their lone bowl win. I see no valid line of comparison to say they were the best conference, or even the 2nd best conference. Clearly it was a tough year for the Big 12.

Oklahoma St. was #25 lost by 3 in a virtual road game vs. A&M who was #29 in the AP poll. OSU was 29 in Massey composite and A&M was 32.

The SEC's #2 team got massacred by the SEC's #1 team 37-10. LSU is really, really good.

A team that went 5-4 in the Big 12 massacred the #2 team in the Pac 38-10 and only lost 45-38 to that SEC #1 team.

1-5 or 2-4 is about what you would expect given the Big 12's matchups. They were underdogs in all 6 and big underdogs in 4 of the games. In the Massey composite they were 4 vs. 2, 16 vs. 5, 30 vs. 11, 27 vs. 12, 28 vs. 21, 29 vs. 32.

The top of the SEC is the best group. The top of the Big 10 is stronger than the top of the Big 12. But the bottom of the Big 12 is pretty good. The bottom of the Big 10 is putrid as usual and the bottom of the SEC is the weakest I remember. The argument that the Big 12 is the best is not that it has the best teams. Its that it is the best average top to bottom. TCU was the #8 team in the conference, finished 5-7, yet is #49 in the Massey composite, the top ranked non-bowl team. 6 of their 7 losses were by a combined 30 points (only ISU was a bad loss). Think about the bottom quarter of any other conference and how non-competitive they were.

However, 7-2 in bowls probably means the SEC will move to #1 in the computers.

a conference is measured by how good their top teams are, not how deep they are.

Also Utah was so overrated it's not funny. They played 3 teams with a pulse this year. 0-3 in those games and 48-105 in the 3 games. They were an absolute paper tiger. That's more how putrid Utah was vs how good Texas was.

Do you argue just to argue? You really don't seem to have a clue what we are talking about. Make yourself look ridiculous. The computer conference ratings are based on the average.

You can say Utah was overrated, but Texas still beat them worse than Oregon. And played LSU much closer than Georgia. Texas isn't better than Oregon and Georgia, but it demonstrates that the middle of the Big 12 is pretty tough.

I don't have a horse in this race, but I find it funny that you're excusing Oklahoma State for losing "a virtual home game" vs. TAMU in Houston while ripping Utah for losing to Texas in San Antonio. If you're going to play the transitivity game, play fair.

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Oklahoma St. lost by 3 in Houston, about the margin of home advantage.
Utah lost by 28.
Don't play stupid.
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(01-03-2020 11:34 AM)stever20 Wrote:  and computer conference ratings are crap. no one gives a **** how good your 10th place team is. What matters is how good your top 3-4 teams are. Depth is overrated.

Well that's pretty dumb thinking, as it is based on the absurd assumption that Alabama is more representative of the SEC than is Arkansas, that Ohio State is more representative of the B1G than Rutgers, etc.

And FWIW, all the computers reject your view, and so does the CFP, as the CFP rates G5 conferences on a computer formula that evaluates all the teams in the conference, the only non-absurd way to do it.
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(01-03-2020 11:09 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-03-2020 10:49 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-03-2020 08:21 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-03-2020 12:21 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-02-2020 12:00 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Now Quo that brings me back to the Sagarin saying the Big 12 was the best conference. Their Champion was massacred 63-28. Their other two ranked teams beaten, one by an unranked A&M and the other by a ranked Georgia. Kansas State lost to G5 Navy. Texas picked up their lone bowl win. I see no valid line of comparison to say they were the best conference, or even the 2nd best conference. Clearly it was a tough year for the Big 12.

Oklahoma St. was #25 lost by 3 in a virtual road game vs. A&M who was #29 in the AP poll. OSU was 29 in Massey composite and A&M was 32.

The SEC's #2 team got massacred by the SEC's #1 team 37-10. LSU is really, really good.

A team that went 5-4 in the Big 12 massacred the #2 team in the Pac 38-10 and only lost 45-38 to that SEC #1 team.

1-5 or 2-4 is about what you would expect given the Big 12's matchups. They were underdogs in all 6 and big underdogs in 4 of the games. In the Massey composite they were 4 vs. 2, 16 vs. 5, 30 vs. 11, 27 vs. 12, 28 vs. 21, 29 vs. 32.

The top of the SEC is the best group. The top of the Big 10 is stronger than the top of the Big 12. But the bottom of the Big 12 is pretty good. The bottom of the Big 10 is putrid as usual and the bottom of the SEC is the weakest I remember. The argument that the Big 12 is the best is not that it has the best teams. Its that it is the best average top to bottom. TCU was the #8 team in the conference, finished 5-7, yet is #49 in the Massey composite, the top ranked non-bowl team. 6 of their 7 losses were by a combined 30 points (only ISU was a bad loss). Think about the bottom quarter of any other conference and how non-competitive they were.

However, 7-2 in bowls probably means the SEC will move to #1 in the computers.

a conference is measured by how good their top teams are, not how deep they are.

Also Utah was so overrated it's not funny. They played 3 teams with a pulse this year. 0-3 in those games and 48-105 in the 3 games. They were an absolute paper tiger. That's more how putrid Utah was vs how good Texas was.

Do you argue just to argue? You really don't seem to have a clue what we are talking about. Make yourself look ridiculous. The computer conference ratings are based on the average.

You can say Utah was overrated, but Texas still beat them worse than Oregon. And played LSU much closer than Georgia. Texas isn't better than Oregon and Georgia, but it demonstrates that the middle of the Big 12 is pretty tough.

Texas is a talented team, they always are because they always get plenty of Texas high-level athletes. And talent gives you a "puncher's chance" against anyone, even better-coached teams.

In recent years, Texas has shown a propensity to play their better games against very good teams, they can look sloppy and embarrassingly inept vs lesser teams but tend to answer the bell when a real challenge looms. The Utah game being an example.

A concern is that was a Tom Hermann pattern at Houston.
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(01-03-2020 11:34 AM)stever20 Wrote:  and computer conference ratings are crap. no one gives a **** how good your 10th place team is. What matters is how good your top 3-4 teams are. Depth is overrated.

Well that's pretty dumb thinking, as it is based on the absurd assumption that Alabama is more representative of the SEC than is Arkansas, that Ohio State is more representative of the B1G than Rutgers, etc.

And FWIW, all the computers reject your view, and so does the CFP, as the CFP rates G5 conferences on a computer formula that evaluates all the teams in the conference, the only non-absurd way to do it.

Actually, to me, Auburn or Texas A&M is more representative of the SEC than Alabama or Arkansas. Likewise, I would consider Purdue or Minnesota to be more representative of the Big Ten than Ohio State or Rutgers. I always judge conferences by how the middle teams are.
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Everybody has focused on Baylor losing Rhule .... but the Dawgs have lost a metric TON of players to the early draft or the portal. It's not Fuente-On-Fire at VT level bad depletion ... but it's bad and it's costly important starters they're losing.
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(01-09-2020 01:13 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Everybody has focused on Baylor losing Rhule .... but the Dawgs have lost a metric TON of players to the early draft or the portal. It's not Fuente-On-Fire at VT level bad depletion ... but it's bad and it's costly important starters they're losing.

On the positive side, other than Fromm, almost none of them played in the Sugar Bowl and that was the best defensive performance of the season and a strong offensive performance.

Still takes time to make up for losing 4 starters on the O line, top 2 RBs, QB and TE. And the receiving corps, who are mostly back, was the weakest link in the offense after all the losses the prior year.
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