(01-05-2020 08:37 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Well, while you guys are ruminating about MBB, I'm counting the days to spring.

Meteorologically winter is December 1 through the last day of February. The mid-point is January 15, coming soon.

Days are getting longer. In D.C. the temps rise starting the 2nd week of February. By March 1 the ave. high is 50.

This warms my heart much more than negative thoughts about MBB.

BTW, WBB looks to be turning the corner, in case anyone is interested.

WBB nearly blew a 22-point lead to a vastly inferior Bowling Green team. I’ll wait to say they’re turning a corner until a later date.

(01-05-2020 08:15 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  I thought Jordan Nobles developed nicely into a versatile defender and a guy who nail a corner 3...just in time for him to transfer out of the program. Losing him and Bond really hurt last season’s team on both ends of the court.

Other than that, I can’t think of anyone else that you guys haven’t mentioned. 4 guys in 9 years is quite an indictment. Another thing I’ve noticed is that some players who have transferred end up performing better at their new school. Jalen Ross did well at Hartford, same with Darell Combs at IUPUI. I’m sure Kevin McAdoo will be All-MVC at Bradley next season.

Murphy is great at finding talent, but not at developing it. Hence the high floor and low ceiling.

I think a considerable amount of Tim and Jordan's perceived improvement could be attributed to physical maturity and experience as well as increased playing time that resulted from graduations of prior starters.

Ty Groce is a case in point. He is the ONLY player on this team that a Big Ten school would consider physically gifted enough to play for them. He started some games for us as a freshman, in fact scoring 15 points against Ohio. As a sophomore he came off the bench, played like he was on eggshells and pulled at first mistake as Murphy opted for his long wingspan but incredibly slow frontcourt of Minnie, Thompson and Toure.

If one were to look at Ty's stats this year, you could infer that he has made great improvements. Quite frankly he has not. His stat sheet improvements can be assigned to his increased playing time only. To me he is pretty much the same player he was two years ago, today he is simply on the court more.

Toure was raw last year, he traveled frequently, did not time blocks well, but showed promise. The Toure I see this year is more of the same. Jalen King arrived three seasons ago with a Murphy desired wingspan, decent athletic abilities and little true basketball skills. Jalen in 2020 is pretty much the same Jalen I saw in 2017.

With our record of developing players, I think our basketball program needs to give up on HS players and solely focus on JUCO and transfer prospects. It just makes sense.

(01-05-2020 06:15 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(01-05-2020 08:15 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  I thought Jordan Nobles developed nicely into a versatile defender and a guy who nail a corner 3...just in time for him to transfer out of the program. Losing him and Bond really hurt last season’s team on both ends of the court.

Other than that, I can’t think of anyone else that you guys haven’t mentioned. 4 guys in 9 years is quite an indictment. Another thing I’ve noticed is that some players who have transferred end up performing better at their new school. Jalen Ross did well at Hartford, same with Darell Combs at IUPUI. I’m sure Kevin McAdoo will be All-MVC at Bradley next season.

Murphy is great at finding talent, but not at developing it. Hence the high floor and low ceiling.

I think a considerable amount of Tim and Jordan's perceived improvement could be attributed to physical maturity and experience as well as increased playing time that resulted from graduations of prior starters.

Ty Groce is a case in point. He is the ONLY player on this team that a Big Ten school would consider physically gifted enough to play for them. He started some games for us as a freshman, in fact scoring 15 points against Ohio. As a sophomore he came off the bench, played like he was on eggshells and pulled at first mistake as Murphy opted for his long wingspan but incredibly slow frontcourt of Minnie, Thompson and Toure.

If one were to look at Ty's stats this year, you could infer that he has made great improvements. Quite frankly he has not. His stat sheet improvements can be assigned to his increased playing time only. To me he is pretty much the same player he was two years ago, today he is simply on the court more.

Toure was raw last year, he traveled frequently, did not time blocks well, but showed promise. The Toure I see this year is more of the same. Jalen King arrived three seasons ago with a Murphy desired wingspan, decent athletic abilities and little true basketball skills. Jalen in 2020 is pretty much the same Jalen I saw in 2017.

With our record of developing players, I think our basketball program needs to give up on HS players and solely focus on JUCO and transfer prospects. It just makes sense.

I agree with Tim Bond, but Nobles no way! He played well on the wing in the zone on defense, but after 4 years in the program, he scored only maybe 3 points a game! Toure has shown improvement a little bit, he scored 11 points and had 17 rebounds yesterday, but he's our JTIV this year! Rarely ever run plays for him...…..we hold the ball then jack up garbage once again! We'll never see another JTIV again! People want to bash him on this board for not trying, etc...….He scored 1850 plus points, and had 1450 plus rebounds, and shot 60 percent over 4 years from the field, and very seldom did they run a play for him! He's the best player we've had by a mile since Boykins, and Grant Long, and that's when we actually had decent teams! JTIV should've his number retired!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! With a decent coach he would've been our all time leading scorer!

(01-05-2020 07:07 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  

(01-05-2020 06:15 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(01-05-2020 08:15 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  I thought Jordan Nobles developed nicely into a versatile defender and a guy who nail a corner 3...just in time for him to transfer out of the program. Losing him and Bond really hurt last season’s team on both ends of the court.

Other than that, I can’t think of anyone else that you guys haven’t mentioned. 4 guys in 9 years is quite an indictment. Another thing I’ve noticed is that some players who have transferred end up performing better at their new school. Jalen Ross did well at Hartford, same with Darell Combs at IUPUI. I’m sure Kevin McAdoo will be All-MVC at Bradley next season.

Murphy is great at finding talent, but not at developing it. Hence the high floor and low ceiling.

I think a considerable amount of Tim and Jordan's perceived improvement could be attributed to physical maturity and experience as well as increased playing time that resulted from graduations of prior starters.

Ty Groce is a case in point. He is the ONLY player on this team that a Big Ten school would consider physically gifted enough to play for them. He started some games for us as a freshman, in fact scoring 15 points against Ohio. As a sophomore he came off the bench, played like he was on eggshells and pulled at first mistake as Murphy opted for his long wingspan but incredibly slow frontcourt of Minnie, Thompson and Toure.

If one were to look at Ty's stats this year, you could infer that he has made great improvements. Quite frankly he has not. His stat sheet improvements can be assigned to his increased playing time only. To me he is pretty much the same player he was two years ago, today he is simply on the court more.

Toure was raw last year, he traveled frequently, did not time blocks well, but showed promise. The Toure I see this year is more of the same. Jalen King arrived three seasons ago with a Murphy desired wingspan, decent athletic abilities and little true basketball skills. Jalen in 2020 is pretty much the same Jalen I saw in 2017.

With our record of developing players, I think our basketball program needs to give up on HS players and solely focus on JUCO and transfer prospects. It just makes sense.

I agree with Tim Bond, but Nobles no way! He played well on the wing in the zone on defense, but after 4 years in the program, he scored only maybe 3 points a game! Toure has shown improvement a little bit, he scored 11 points and had 17 rebounds yesterday, but he's our JTIV this year! Rarely ever run plays for him...…..we hold the ball then jack up garbage once again! We'll never see another JTIV again! People want to bash him on this board for not trying, etc...….He scored 1850 plus points, and had 1450 plus rebounds, and shot 60 percent over 4 years from the field, and very seldom did they run a play for him! He's the best player we've had by a mile since Boykins, and Grant Long, and that's when we actually had decent teams! JTIV should've his number retired!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! With a decent coach he would've been our all time leading scorer!

One thing which needs to be said about Toure'.

He sat out almost 2 years and didn't do much at Grand Canyon. He is vastly improved since Grand Canyon and today.

I probably enjoy watching him the most of the current group of players.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...acar-toure

(01-05-2020 07:56 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-05-2020 07:07 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  

(01-05-2020 06:15 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(01-05-2020 08:15 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  I thought Jordan Nobles developed nicely into a versatile defender and a guy who nail a corner 3...just in time for him to transfer out of the program. Losing him and Bond really hurt last season’s team on both ends of the court.

Other than that, I can’t think of anyone else that you guys haven’t mentioned. 4 guys in 9 years is quite an indictment. Another thing I’ve noticed is that some players who have transferred end up performing better at their new school. Jalen Ross did well at Hartford, same with Darell Combs at IUPUI. I’m sure Kevin McAdoo will be All-MVC at Bradley next season.

Murphy is great at finding talent, but not at developing it. Hence the high floor and low ceiling.

I think a considerable amount of Tim and Jordan's perceived improvement could be attributed to physical maturity and experience as well as increased playing time that resulted from graduations of prior starters.

Ty Groce is a case in point. He is the ONLY player on this team that a Big Ten school would consider physically gifted enough to play for them. He started some games for us as a freshman, in fact scoring 15 points against Ohio. As a sophomore he came off the bench, played like he was on eggshells and pulled at first mistake as Murphy opted for his long wingspan but incredibly slow frontcourt of Minnie, Thompson and Toure.

If one were to look at Ty's stats this year, you could infer that he has made great improvements. Quite frankly he has not. His stat sheet improvements can be assigned to his increased playing time only. To me he is pretty much the same player he was two years ago, today he is simply on the court more.

Toure was raw last year, he traveled frequently, did not time blocks well, but showed promise. The Toure I see this year is more of the same. Jalen King arrived three seasons ago with a Murphy desired wingspan, decent athletic abilities and little true basketball skills. Jalen in 2020 is pretty much the same Jalen I saw in 2017.

With our record of developing players, I think our basketball program needs to give up on HS players and solely focus on JUCO and transfer prospects. It just makes sense.

I agree with Tim Bond, but Nobles no way! He played well on the wing in the zone on defense, but after 4 years in the program, he scored only maybe 3 points a game! Toure has shown improvement a little bit, he scored 11 points and had 17 rebounds yesterday, but he's our JTIV this year! Rarely ever run plays for him...…..we hold the ball then jack up garbage once again! We'll never see another JTIV again! People want to bash him on this board for not trying, etc...….He scored 1850 plus points, and had 1450 plus rebounds, and shot 60 percent over 4 years from the field, and very seldom did they run a play for him! He's the best player we've had by a mile since Boykins, and Grant Long, and that's when we actually had decent teams! JTIV should've his number retired!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! With a decent coach he would've been our all time leading scorer!

One thing which needs to be said about Toure'.

He sat out almost 2 years and didn't do much at Grand Canyon. He is vastly improved since Grand Canyon and today.

I probably enjoy watching him the most of the current group of players.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...acar-toure

I agree with what you just said about Toure! If he can develop a 10 foot jump shot, and learn actually moves around the basket, he's the player with the most upside on our team! He has NBA size...….

(01-05-2020 08:12 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  

(01-05-2020 07:56 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(01-05-2020 07:07 PM)EMUGLORYDAYSthe90s Wrote:  

(01-05-2020 06:15 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(01-05-2020 08:15 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  I thought Jordan Nobles developed nicely into a versatile defender and a guy who nail a corner 3...just in time for him to transfer out of the program. Losing him and Bond really hurt last season’s team on both ends of the court.

Other than that, I can’t think of anyone else that you guys haven’t mentioned. 4 guys in 9 years is quite an indictment. Another thing I’ve noticed is that some players who have transferred end up performing better at their new school. Jalen Ross did well at Hartford, same with Darell Combs at IUPUI. I’m sure Kevin McAdoo will be All-MVC at Bradley next season.

Murphy is great at finding talent, but not at developing it. Hence the high floor and low ceiling.

I think a considerable amount of Tim and Jordan's perceived improvement could be attributed to physical maturity and experience as well as increased playing time that resulted from graduations of prior starters.

Ty Groce is a case in point. He is the ONLY player on this team that a Big Ten school would consider physically gifted enough to play for them. He started some games for us as a freshman, in fact scoring 15 points against Ohio. As a sophomore he came off the bench, played like he was on eggshells and pulled at first mistake as Murphy opted for his long wingspan but incredibly slow frontcourt of Minnie, Thompson and Toure.

If one were to look at Ty's stats this year, you could infer that he has made great improvements. Quite frankly he has not. His stat sheet improvements can be assigned to his increased playing time only. To me he is pretty much the same player he was two years ago, today he is simply on the court more.

Toure was raw last year, he traveled frequently, did not time blocks well, but showed promise. The Toure I see this year is more of the same. Jalen King arrived three seasons ago with a Murphy desired wingspan, decent athletic abilities and little true basketball skills. Jalen in 2020 is pretty much the same Jalen I saw in 2017.

With our record of developing players, I think our basketball program needs to give up on HS players and solely focus on JUCO and transfer prospects. It just makes sense.

I agree with Tim Bond, but Nobles no way! He played well on the wing in the zone on defense, but after 4 years in the program, he scored only maybe 3 points a game! Toure has shown improvement a little bit, he scored 11 points and had 17 rebounds yesterday, but he's our JTIV this year! Rarely ever run plays for him...…..we hold the ball then jack up garbage once again! We'll never see another JTIV again! People want to bash him on this board for not trying, etc...….He scored 1850 plus points, and had 1450 plus rebounds, and shot 60 percent over 4 years from the field, and very seldom did they run a play for him! He's the best player we've had by a mile since Boykins, and Grant Long, and that's when we actually had decent teams! JTIV should've his number retired!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! With a decent coach he would've been our all time leading scorer!

One thing which needs to be said about Toure'.

He sat out almost 2 years and didn't do much at Grand Canyon. He is vastly improved since Grand Canyon and today.

I probably enjoy watching him the most of the current group of players.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basket...acar-toure

I agree with what you just said about Toure! If he can develop a 10 foot jump shot, and learn actually moves around the basket, he's the player with the most upside on our team! He has NBA size...….

I like Boubocar, he works hard. He is far better than he was at Grand Canyon mainly because he is actually able to play in more than eight games in a two year span!

Our big man coach, Mondro competes extremely hard with Wooten in an Olympic game of pocket pool during our basketball contests. Mondro seems incredibly focused on warming the seat next to Murphy, and appears to be unengaged during games. If Toure is going to develop his inside game, it will be under a real coach, overseas.

(01-05-2020 12:16 AM)EMUAARON Wrote:  

(01-04-2020 09:38 PM)holybovine Wrote:  

(01-04-2020 01:53 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  Murphy turns over almost the entire roster and still gets the same result. The problem is not with the players, it with the coach.

Exactly true.

Thing is, I studied film on each of these guys before they signed with us, and they were almost uniformly excellent juco prospects. When they arrived, they played well initially, even against tougher competition. But the longer they are coached by Murphy, the worse they get.

Can anyone name a player that improved under Murphy’s instruction? I’ve got JR Sims. That’s it. Anyone else?

i'm not saying this to defend murphy - i've been ready for him to go for a few seasons. but Ray Lee improved from year 1 to year 2 and Tim Bond improved over his career. three players. and i'm not willing to give him a ton of credit for getting Ray Lee to improve one offseason.

Good point about Bond. But I’m not giving Murphy credit for Lee since he regressed by the end of his Senior year.

(01-05-2020 08:15 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  I thought Jordan Nobles developed nicely into a versatile defender and a guy who nail a corner 3...just in time for him to transfer out of the program. Losing him and Bond really hurt last season’s team on both ends of the court.

Other than that, I can’t think of anyone else that you guys haven’t mentioned. 4 guys in 9 years is quite an indictment. Another thing I’ve noticed is that some players who have transferred end up performing better at their new school. Jalen Ross did well at Hartford, same with Darell Combs at IUPUI. I’m sure Kevin McAdoo will be All-MVC at Bradley next season.

Murphy is great at finding talent, but not at developing it. Hence the high floor and low ceiling.

I thought about Nobles too, but decided it didn’t count since he transferred out. ; ) But in the interest of being fair to Murphy, I guess he should. Nice catch.

(01-05-2020 06:15 PM)Jerry Weaver Wrote:  

(01-05-2020 08:15 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  I thought Jordan Nobles developed nicely into a versatile defender and a guy who nail a corner 3...just in time for him to transfer out of the program. Losing him and Bond really hurt last season’s team on both ends of the court.

Other than that, I can’t think of anyone else that you guys haven’t mentioned. 4 guys in 9 years is quite an indictment. Another thing I’ve noticed is that some players who have transferred end up performing better at their new school. Jalen Ross did well at Hartford, same with Darell Combs at IUPUI. I’m sure Kevin McAdoo will be All-MVC at Bradley next season.

Murphy is great at finding talent, but not at developing it. Hence the high floor and low ceiling.

I think a considerable amount of Tim and Jordan's perceived improvement could be attributed to physical maturity and experience as well as increased playing time that resulted from graduations of prior starters.

Ty Groce is a case in point. He is the ONLY player on this team that a Big Ten school would consider physically gifted enough to play for them. He started some games for us as a freshman, in fact scoring 15 points against Ohio. As a sophomore he came off the bench, played like he was on eggshells and pulled at first mistake as Murphy opted for his long wingspan but incredibly slow frontcourt of Minnie, Thompson and Toure.

If one were to look at Ty's stats this year, you could infer that he has made great improvements. Quite frankly he has not. His stat sheet improvements can be assigned to his increased playing time only. To me he is pretty much the same player he was two years ago, today he is simply on the court more.

Toure was raw last year, he traveled frequently, did not time blocks well, but showed promise. The Toure I see this year is more of the same. Jalen King arrived three seasons ago with a Murphy desired wingspan, decent athletic abilities and little true basketball skills. Jalen in 2020 is pretty much the same Jalen I saw in 2017.

With our record of developing players, I think our basketball program needs to give up on HS players and solely focus on JUCO and transfer prospects. It just makes sense.

for sure. sports-reference.com lays out stats 'per 40 minutes' and as of a year or so ago, you can look at stats for just the conference season. this helps compare apples to apples instead of "his scoring averaged improved so he must have improved!!!"

(01-05-2020 03:21 PM)truEMU07 Wrote:  

(01-05-2020 08:37 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Well, while you guys are ruminating about MBB, I'm counting the days to spring.

Meteorologically winter is December 1 through the last day of February. The mid-point is January 15, coming soon.

Days are getting longer. In D.C. the temps rise starting the 2nd week of February. By March 1 the ave. high is 50.

This warms my heart much more than negative thoughts about MBB.

BTW, WBB looks to be turning the corner, in case anyone is interested.

WBB nearly blew a 22-point lead to a vastly inferior Bowling Green team. I’ll wait to say they’re turning a corner until a later date.

Bull ****.

(01-06-2020 09:35 PM)emussuperfan Wrote:  

(01-05-2020 03:21 PM)truEMU07 Wrote:  

(01-05-2020 08:37 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Well, while you guys are ruminating about MBB, I'm counting the days to spring.

Meteorologically winter is December 1 through the last day of February. The mid-point is January 15, coming soon.

Days are getting longer. In D.C. the temps rise starting the 2nd week of February. By March 1 the ave. high is 50.

This warms my heart much more than negative thoughts about MBB.

BTW, WBB looks to be turning the corner, in case anyone is interested.

WBB nearly blew a 22-point lead to a vastly inferior Bowling Green team. I’ll wait to say they’re turning a corner until a later date.

Bull ****.

I think the women won by 18poimts. Although I really can't watch WBB, I may need to substitute them for our EMU MBB.

(01-06-2020 10:35 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(01-06-2020 09:35 PM)emussuperfan Wrote:  

(01-05-2020 03:21 PM)truEMU07 Wrote:  

(01-05-2020 08:37 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Well, while you guys are ruminating about MBB, I'm counting the days to spring.

Meteorologically winter is December 1 through the last day of February. The mid-point is January 15, coming soon.

Days are getting longer. In D.C. the temps rise starting the 2nd week of February. By March 1 the ave. high is 50.

This warms my heart much more than negative thoughts about MBB.

BTW, WBB looks to be turning the corner, in case anyone is interested.

WBB nearly blew a 22-point lead to a vastly inferior Bowling Green team. I’ll wait to say they’re turning a corner until a later date.

Bull ****.

I think the women won by 18poimts. Although I really can't watch WBB, I may need to substitute them for our EMU MBB.

WBB led by 22 early in the third quarter and with 9 minutes to go in the game BG had cut the lead to six. We put together a nice run in the end, but the fact that we let a team like BG back into things while their best player sat on the bench is not something I'm getting excited about.

They have won four straight games: fantastic. The combined record of those four teams is 14-43. Purdue Fort Wayne (4-11), UIC (2-13) and Detroit Mercy (1-13) are barely better than our men playing NAIA schools. BUT! They are winning, and there's something to be said for that.

If they can keep their streak going against Kent Wednesday I will say that they have turned a corner. They've lost six in a row against the Flashes, and Kent is usually a tough place to play.

The most exciting college player to play their home games in the Convo this season is Areanna Combs. Worth giving our team a watch every time because of her. It's not a coincidence they are 4-2 with her playing this season.

Sorry to hijack the thread with WBB talk.