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(12-29-2019 08:31 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Due to finances, he will be here next season like it or not


Bass needs to figure that **** out. If not he’s falling on the sword too


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(12-29-2019 08:31 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Due to finances, he will be here next season like it or not

This is a real pickle.
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(12-28-2019 10:06 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  Freshmen and sophomores my man and lack a shot blocker plus 2 shooters hurt. You’re the moderator and starting threads like this? I just don’t see this at this point in time.

Oh and Bill, there’s absolutely ZERO wrong with me starting this thread. A moderator’s duties are to ensure posters aren’t being vicious or vulgar and to ensure outsiders aren’t coming in and trolling and causing problems. There’s nothing stating that I’m no longer allowed to have an honest opinion of the team or state such because I’m the mod.

If you take issue with my job as a moderator, feel free to PM me or take it to one or all of the other CAA mods who can handle it from there.


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(12-29-2019 09:13 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(12-29-2019 08:31 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Due to finances, he will be here next season like it or not


Bass needs to figure that **** out. If not he’s falling on the sword too


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Like 82 said... he’s prob here another year unless he just resigns.

I don’t support chopping Bass for ONE bad hire. Especially since his first hire brought massive success. That’s a .500 record and should provide him at least one more chance.


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(12-29-2019 09:35 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(12-29-2019 09:13 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(12-29-2019 08:31 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Due to finances, he will be here next season like it or not


Bass needs to figure that **** out. If not he’s falling on the sword too


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Like 82 said... he’s prob here another year unless he just resigns.

I don’t support chopping Bass for ONE bad hire. Especially since his first hire brought massive success. That’s a .500 record and should provide him at least one more chance.


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One bad hire spirals the longer he keeps him. I’d argue the financial hurt from another CB season would come close to offsetting his salary


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(12-29-2019 08:31 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Due to finances, he will be here next season like it or not

Thought the same thing until I looked up Buzz’s buyout. We paid him out 400k a year for final 2 years. CB would be 300k a year for final two years if I’m not mistaken.

Edit: Misread the article. Buzz only had one year left. Looks like another year but I don’t see how you can recruit unless you show major improvement in CAA play.
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(12-29-2019 09:39 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(12-29-2019 09:35 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(12-29-2019 09:13 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(12-29-2019 08:31 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Due to finances, he will be here next season like it or not


Bass needs to figure that **** out. If not he’s falling on the sword too


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Like 82 said... he’s prob here another year unless he just resigns.

I don’t support chopping Bass for ONE bad hire. Especially since his first hire brought massive success. That’s a .500 record and should provide him at least one more chance.


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One bad hire spirals the longer he keeps him. I’d argue the financial hurt from another CB season would come close to offsetting his salary


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I agree, but overall as AD, he’s been quite good IMO. The CB hire was monstrously bad... but he deserves a shot to fix it.


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(12-29-2019 09:46 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(12-29-2019 09:39 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(12-29-2019 09:35 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(12-29-2019 09:13 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(12-29-2019 08:31 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Due to finances, he will be here next season like it or not


Bass needs to figure that **** out. If not he’s falling on the sword too


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Like 82 said... he’s prob here another year unless he just resigns.

I don’t support chopping Bass for ONE bad hire. Especially since his first hire brought massive success. That’s a .500 record and should provide him at least one more chance.


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One bad hire spirals the longer he keeps him. I’d argue the financial hurt from another CB season would come close to offsetting his salary


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I agree, but overall as AD, he’s been quite good IMO. The CB hire was monstrously bad... but he deserves a shot to fix it.


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Agree, that was my point if he can’t figure out a way to fix it he will fall in the sword too.
While I agree the results have been mostly positive, his one bad hire has pushed his revenue streams into the tank


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(12-29-2019 09:39 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(12-29-2019 09:35 AM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(12-29-2019 09:13 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote:  
(12-29-2019 08:31 AM)82hawk Wrote:  Due to finances, he will be here next season like it or not


Bass needs to figure that **** out. If not he’s falling on the sword too


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Like 82 said... he’s prob here another year unless he just resigns.

I don’t support chopping Bass for ONE bad hire. Especially since his first hire brought massive success. That’s a .500 record and should provide him at least one more chance.


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One bad hire spirals the longer he keeps him. I’d argue the financial hurt from another CB season would come close to offsetting his salary


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Season ticket sales will.be abysmal next year.

UNC propped them up this year
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Glad to see what some here are finally realizing what I knew and tried to tell them 3 years ago at the expense of being threatened with banning repeatedly.CB is a very nice guy.....but sucks as a Division 1 mens basketball coach. Better cut the losses asap before it destroys the program.In retrospect the bankroll should have been thrown towards Takayo Siddle and things would have been much better instead of thinking the UNC connection was going to somehow pay off.
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(12-29-2019 01:43 PM)GrayHawk Wrote:  Glad to see what some here are finally realizing what I knew and tried to tell them 3 years ago at the expense of being threatened with banning repeatedly.

Stop trying to play that card. It was never about what you said but how you said it. You weren’t the only one that didn’t like the hire. Others here said the same things since it happened. Others have also been warned about how they interact on here, including a few who I value as friends and respect greatly.

I’m not ever going to tout myself as perfect. I have my flaws too. However, some folks need to be reminded from time to time that their actions have consequences.

No message here is going to be silenced, but it’s how those messages are conveyed that will carry penalties.



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(12-29-2019 01:54 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  Others have also been warned about how they interact on here, including a few who I value as friends and respect greatly.

Yep. I remember you once called me out for trying to play the "victim card". And guess what? You were absolutely correct.

Hell, Seahawkhoops used to get weekly warnings. lol.
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(12-29-2019 01:43 PM)GrayHawk Wrote:  Glad to see what some here are finally realizing what I knew and tried to tell them 3 years ago at the expense of being threatened with banning repeatedly.CB is a very nice guy.....but sucks as a Division 1 mens basketball coach. Better cut the losses asap before it destroys the program.In retrospect the bankroll should have been thrown towards Takayo Siddle and things would have been much better instead of thinking the UNC connection was going to somehow pay off.

To your point about Takayo Siddle... he’s just as unproven as McGrath was. Would he have been better? Maybe. Would he have been the same? Maybe. Would he have been worse? Maybe. He’s still not a HC anywhere so it’s an all around unknown.

To say “things would have been much better” is baseless conjecture.


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(12-29-2019 01:56 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(12-29-2019 01:54 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  Others have also been warned about how they interact on here, including a few who I value as friends and respect greatly.

Yep. I remember you once called me out for trying to play the "victim card". And guess what? You were absolutely correct.

Hell, Seahawkhoops used to get weekly warnings. lol.

Lol.

See Gray?

Look. I’m not perfect, but I try.

I will say that folks that comment on these boards concerning multiple topics regularly get a little more leeway. Obviously, they still get called out from time to time. And the regulars around here have called me out from time to time. Publicly and in PM. It’s what makes a quality group be a quality group. Along those same lines, we are all naturally curious and skeptic of new accounts that pop up around significant moments in our program and only comment on one topic. They get less leeway.

That’s how this system works.

You’re still welcome here, and not being banned proved that. Just saying.


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Class response CG! It's not easy being a Moderator.
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(12-29-2019 02:22 PM)billthebighawksfan Wrote:  Class response CG! It's not easy being a Moderator.


Thank you sir. I learned from one of the best, and thankful to have cut my teeth as a UNCW boards newbie in the CAAZone back when this was a legit good conference and we had a lot more action from conference mates like ODU, VCU and George Mason. I remember a number of times when I was a student that yourself and others here cut my tongue and told me to cool off a bit.

Proof there’s hope for everyone! Lol


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(12-29-2019 02:08 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  
(12-29-2019 01:56 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote:  
(12-29-2019 01:54 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  Others have also been warned about how they interact on here, including a few who I value as friends and respect greatly.

Yep. I remember you once called me out for trying to play the "victim card". And guess what? You were absolutely correct.

Hell, Seahawkhoops used to get weekly warnings. lol.

Lol.

See Gray?

Look. I’m not perfect, but I try.

I will say that folks that comment on these boards concerning multiple topics regularly get a little more leeway. Obviously, they still get called out from time to time. And the regulars around here have called me out from time to time. Publicly and in PM. It’s what makes a quality group be a quality group. Along those same lines, we are all naturally curious and skeptic of new accounts that pop up around significant moments in our program and only comment on one topic. They get less leeway.

That’s how this system works.

You’re still welcome here, and not being banned proved that. Just saying.


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Funny you used the word system

Hiring Siddle would have been a risk, but at least we would have maintained our system and been able to build off a foundation as opposed to abandoning what was working
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(12-29-2019 01:43 PM)GrayHawk Wrote:  Glad to see what some here are finally realizing what I knew and tried to tell them 3 years ago at the expense of being threatened with banning repeatedly.CB is a very nice guy.....but sucks as a Division 1 mens basketball coach. Better cut the losses asap before it destroys the program.In retrospect the bankroll should have been thrown towards Takayo Siddle and things would have been much better instead of thinking the UNC connection was going to somehow pay off.

I don't recall anyone that campaigned for McGrath when the search was going on. The only person that I know of that unequivocally wanted him as HC is Bass. During year one, I defended C.B., as I thought some were too critical because of his UNC background. Whether they were unfairly critical or not, I don't mind saying that I was wrong and it it seemed obvious pretty early in year two that he wasn't the guy.
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Whether it is this year or next year there is sufficient evidence that he won't be successful. The program is actually in disarray and hopefully Bass makes a change after the season. I know it is on a much larger scale but people said the same thing about UNC football and the huge buyout. The donations and ticket sales have more than made up for paying a guy to stay that you know is not capable of doing the job and I have reached that conclusion on CB.
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(12-29-2019 03:28 PM)bricksnivy Wrote:  
(12-29-2019 01:43 PM)GrayHawk Wrote:  Glad to see what some here are finally realizing what I knew and tried to tell them 3 years ago at the expense of being threatened with banning repeatedly.CB is a very nice guy.....but sucks as a Division 1 mens basketball coach. Better cut the losses asap before it destroys the program.In retrospect the bankroll should have been thrown towards Takayo Siddle and things would have been much better instead of thinking the UNC connection was going to somehow pay off.

I don't recall anyone that campaigned for McGrath when the search was going on. The only person that I know of that unequivocally wanted him as HC is Bass. During year one, I defended C.B., as I thought some were too critical because of his UNC background. Whether they were unfairly critical or not, I don't mind saying that I was wrong and it it seemed obvious pretty early in year two that he wasn't the guy.


Agree. That summed up nicely the last two years for me. I was wrong as well. I really wanted him to succeed and prove me right... but it’s a lost cause.


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