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(12-27-2019 07:55 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(12-25-2019 03:30 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Interesting take... I'll take a crack at ranking the movies.

I consider the first 4 the real Star Wars films

1. IV- Set up the entire series, and changed cinema and marketing.
2. V- Dark and underappreciated when it was made.
3. VI- Nowhere near as good as IV or V. Vader should looked better when they took his helmet off, not like Elmer Fudd.
4. Rouge One- Great set up to the originals. Gareth Edwards and that writing team should have made all of the Disney Star Wars films. My one complaint is that Forest Whitaker was bad as Saw Gerrera. In general, I think that character could have been much cooler.

I can agree with the above. I loved RoTJ. I watched it alot as a kid growing up, so it holds a special place with me.

Quote:This is where things get rough.....

5. Solo- Not a bad story, but the droid/Lando love storyline was creepy. The droid rights agenda was stupid. Disney should leave their social agendas out of the films, and let the audience enjoy being in a galaxy far far away. I think this is a running issue within almost all of the Disney Star Wars films.
6. III- All of the prequels are bad, but at least we learn about Darth Plagueis and how Sidious learned to create Anakin/Darth Vader from the midichlorians.

Eh.. I disagree about Revenge of the Sith.. I'm not sure it shows that Sidious created Vader. I'll have to go back and watch.

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It doesn't give a flashback or anything, but remember Anakin's father is never discussed in any of the films. In RoSith, Palpatine tells Anakin about the legend of Darth Plagueis the Wise, in response to Anakin's concern for the impending death of his wife. It is widely believed Darth Sidious manipulated the midichlorians and had Anakin's slave mother birth the child. It explains why Vader was the most powerful force user ever... or at least until Disney mucked everything up. But, go back and watch it and decide for yourself if that scenario works for you.
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(12-27-2019 10:05 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(12-27-2019 07:55 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(12-25-2019 03:30 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Interesting take... I'll take a crack at ranking the movies.

I consider the first 4 the real Star Wars films

1. IV- Set up the entire series, and changed cinema and marketing.
2. V- Dark and underappreciated when it was made.
3. VI- Nowhere near as good as IV or V. Vader should looked better when they took his helmet off, not like Elmer Fudd.
4. Rouge One- Great set up to the originals. Gareth Edwards and that writing team should have made all of the Disney Star Wars films. My one complaint is that Forest Whitaker was bad as Saw Gerrera. In general, I think that character could have been much cooler.

I can agree with the above. I loved RoTJ. I watched it alot as a kid growing up, so it holds a special place with me.

Quote:This is where things get rough.....

5. Solo- Not a bad story, but the droid/Lando love storyline was creepy. The droid rights agenda was stupid. Disney should leave their social agendas out of the films, and let the audience enjoy being in a galaxy far far away. I think this is a running issue within almost all of the Disney Star Wars films.
6. III- All of the prequels are bad, but at least we learn about Darth Plagueis and how Sidious learned to create Anakin/Darth Vader from the midichlorians.

Eh.. I disagree about Revenge of the Sith.. I'm not sure it shows that Sidious created Vader. I'll have to go back and watch.

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It doesn't give a flashback or anything, but remember Anakin's father is never discussed in any of the films. In RoSith, Palpatine tells Anakin about the legend of Darth Plagueis the Wise, in response to Anakin's concern for the impending death of his wife. It is widely believed Darth Sidious manipulated the midichlorians and had Anakin's slave mother birth the child. It explains why Vader was the most powerful force user ever... or at least until Disney mucked everything up. But, go back and watch it and decide for yourself if that scenario works for you.



One of the original scripts for Episode 3 had Palpatine telling Anakin that Anakin is his son. If George used that script without changing? Rey was kissing her cousin.
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(12-27-2019 10:45 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(12-27-2019 10:05 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(12-27-2019 07:55 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(12-25-2019 03:30 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Interesting take... I'll take a crack at ranking the movies.

I consider the first 4 the real Star Wars films

1. IV- Set up the entire series, and changed cinema and marketing.
2. V- Dark and underappreciated when it was made.
3. VI- Nowhere near as good as IV or V. Vader should looked better when they took his helmet off, not like Elmer Fudd.
4. Rouge One- Great set up to the originals. Gareth Edwards and that writing team should have made all of the Disney Star Wars films. My one complaint is that Forest Whitaker was bad as Saw Gerrera. In general, I think that character could have been much cooler.

I can agree with the above. I loved RoTJ. I watched it alot as a kid growing up, so it holds a special place with me.

Quote:This is where things get rough.....

5. Solo- Not a bad story, but the droid/Lando love storyline was creepy. The droid rights agenda was stupid. Disney should leave their social agendas out of the films, and let the audience enjoy being in a galaxy far far away. I think this is a running issue within almost all of the Disney Star Wars films.
6. III- All of the prequels are bad, but at least we learn about Darth Plagueis and how Sidious learned to create Anakin/Darth Vader from the midichlorians.

Eh.. I disagree about Revenge of the Sith.. I'm not sure it shows that Sidious created Vader. I'll have to go back and watch.

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It doesn't give a flashback or anything, but remember Anakin's father is never discussed in any of the films. In RoSith, Palpatine tells Anakin about the legend of Darth Plagueis the Wise, in response to Anakin's concern for the impending death of his wife. It is widely believed Darth Sidious manipulated the midichlorians and had Anakin's slave mother birth the child. It explains why Vader was the most powerful force user ever... or at least until Disney mucked everything up. But, go back and watch it and decide for yourself if that scenario works for you.



One of the original scripts for Episode 3 had Palpatine telling Anakin that Anakin is his son. If George used that script without changing? Rey was kissing her cousin.

Interesting. If Palpatine did create Anakin by manipulating midichlorians, he would still be his son.
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Abrams Mentions Incest Kiss Between Rey And Keylo Ren aka Ben Solo


Abrams and others are making things worst.
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Interesting how all of you seem to like Rogue One. I liked it too, but the reviewers and public all seemed to dislike it. The only complaint I have about Rogue One is the same I had about 7-9-all the white human men have dark hair, look alike and have indistinct personalities. Its hard to figure out who is who when they show up in later scenes.

Haven't seen 9 yet, but my teenage son liked it. My teenage daughter loved I-VI but is reluctant to see this one because of the reviews.

My ranking:
IV
V
VI
Rogue One
Solo
VII
I
II
VIII
III-this one was really bad-they just couldn't figure out how to turn Anakin into Darth Vader in a way that made sense. And they made the Jedi look bad too. They made the Princess look weak. They wiped 3CPOs memory. There were no sympathetic characters.
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(12-29-2019 11:53 AM)bullet Wrote:  Interesting how all of you seem to like Rogue One. I liked it too, but the reviewers and public all seemed to dislike it. The only complaint I have about Rogue One is the same I had about 7-9-all the white human men have dark hair, look alike and have indistinct personalities. Its hard to figure out who is who when they show up in later scenes.

Haven't seen 9 yet, but my teenage son liked it. My teenage daughter loved I-VI but is reluctant to see this one because of the reviews.

My ranking:
IV
V
VI
Rogue One
Solo
VII
I
II
VIII
III-this one was really bad-they just couldn't figure out how to turn Anakin into Darth Vader in a way that made sense. And they made the Jedi look bad too. They made the Princess look weak. They wiped 3CPOs memory. There were no sympathetic characters.

First Trilogy: IV and the V & VI roughly the same with a lean to V.

Second Trilogy: III was the darkest but imparted the most information and introduced the origins of much of the storyline. I which I would have put higher except for Jarjar annoyed the hell out of me as did young Anakin and quite frankly the stupid pod race. It did have the best lazer sword fight between Darth Maul and the two Jedi. II was tedious and way too much "my young Padawan" in it. The whole story worth watching was the origin of the clones, and the final 10 minutes. The rest of the film was contrived time filler.

Third Trilogy: VII introduced some interesting characters and the backstory to Rey was introduced and seeing the old characters was nostalgic and tied the two trilogies together.

VIII was incoherent, inconsistent with the mythos of the series and reminded me of a Chinese martial arts movie when Leah flies through space in an obvious vacuum to attack her enemies. Sort of like House of the Flying Daggers. Easily worse than even Phantom Menace.

IX was at least linear in its projection and fun to watch.

All of that said this is a 42 year saga that has had many directors like in episode V when the criticism was that now you didn't need two hands to handle a light saber and Vadar could wield his like a majorette twirling a fire baton.

But folks get a grip. This is fiction, not religion, and is designed to entertain you and amaze you with special effects and loosely tell a story that is spread across 3 generations and 42 years and many directors and writers all trying to leave their stamp for better or worse on the process and it is intended for all ages which means we get Jar Jar for the kids.

Personally, I thought the character of Maz Kanata was interesting and needed to be developed.

But we are talking about Hollywood and Disney so let's not get too serious!
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People have not mentioned the Clone Wars in this mess. 9 had some elements of that cartoon movie when one of the bad guy character's son, play by Doctor Who's Matt Smith, was supposed to be in it to tie that into the first 6 movies. What the Disney movies did was ripped open a bunch of plot holes to fixed what got messed up with 7, 8 and 9. Unless a new person comes in and directs a new 7, 8 or 9? The three Disney movies would be known as the movies that ruined Star Wars for good.
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I thought IX was okay, no real complaints. Much better than VIII. It did seem like the first 30 minutes the plot was too choppy to feel like a storyline was developing. Or maybe I was really tired.

I still hate Ewoks way more than Jar Jar. Those stinking Muppets nearly ruined ROTJ.
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(12-29-2019 07:53 PM)mikeinoki Wrote:  I thought IX was okay, no real complaints. Much better than VIII. It did seem like the first 30 minutes the plot was too choppy to feel like a storyline was developing. Or maybe I was really tired.

I still hate Ewoks way more than Jar Jar. Those stinking Muppets nearly ruined ROTJ.

I was never a fan of cute little teddy bears who eat people. They tried to roast Hans and Luke and Chewbacca. They did roast a bunch of imperial troopers with all those fires at the end.
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(12-29-2019 11:53 AM)bullet Wrote:  Interesting how all of you seem to like Rogue One. I liked it too, but the reviewers and public all seemed to dislike it. The only complaint I have about Rogue One is the same I had about 7-9-all the white human men have dark hair, look alike and have indistinct personalities. Its hard to figure out who is who when they show up in later scenes.

Haven't seen 9 yet, but my teenage son liked it. My teenage daughter loved I-VI but is reluctant to see this one because of the reviews.

The thing with Rogue One is that it tells a unique story that (in theory) was devoid of the force. The first 30 minutes take some time to get its footing, but from there it moves at a nice pace. Plus the finality of the characters fate was refreshing. Along with Vader kicking butt onscreen.
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(12-30-2019 09:48 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(12-29-2019 11:53 AM)bullet Wrote:  Interesting how all of you seem to like Rogue One. I liked it too, but the reviewers and public all seemed to dislike it. The only complaint I have about Rogue One is the same I had about 7-9-all the white human men have dark hair, look alike and have indistinct personalities. Its hard to figure out who is who when they show up in later scenes.

Haven't seen 9 yet, but my teenage son liked it. My teenage daughter loved I-VI but is reluctant to see this one because of the reviews.

The thing with Rogue One is that it tells a unique story that (in theory) was devoid of the force. The first 30 minutes take some time to get its footing, but from there it moves at a nice pace. Plus the finality of the characters fate was refreshing. Along with Vader kicking butt onscreen.

Also the best use of a droid in any of the episodes.
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(12-27-2019 10:05 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  
(12-27-2019 07:55 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(12-25-2019 03:30 PM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  Interesting take... I'll take a crack at ranking the movies.

I consider the first 4 the real Star Wars films

1. IV- Set up the entire series, and changed cinema and marketing.
2. V- Dark and underappreciated when it was made.
3. VI- Nowhere near as good as IV or V. Vader should looked better when they took his helmet off, not like Elmer Fudd.
4. Rouge One- Great set up to the originals. Gareth Edwards and that writing team should have made all of the Disney Star Wars films. My one complaint is that Forest Whitaker was bad as Saw Gerrera. In general, I think that character could have been much cooler.

I can agree with the above. I loved RoTJ. I watched it alot as a kid growing up, so it holds a special place with me.

Quote:This is where things get rough.....

5. Solo- Not a bad story, but the droid/Lando love storyline was creepy. The droid rights agenda was stupid. Disney should leave their social agendas out of the films, and let the audience enjoy being in a galaxy far far away. I think this is a running issue within almost all of the Disney Star Wars films.
6. III- All of the prequels are bad, but at least we learn about Darth Plagueis and how Sidious learned to create Anakin/Darth Vader from the midichlorians.

Eh.. I disagree about Revenge of the Sith.. I'm not sure it shows that Sidious created Vader. I'll have to go back and watch.

Quote:

It doesn't give a flashback or anything, but remember Anakin's father is never discussed in any of the films. In RoSith, Palpatine tells Anakin about the legend of Darth Plagueis the Wise, in response to Anakin's concern for the impending death of his wife. It is widely believed Darth Sidious manipulated the midichlorians and had Anakin's slave mother birth the child. It explains why Vader was the most powerful force user ever... or at least until Disney mucked everything up. But, go back and watch it and decide for yourself if that scenario works for you.
Your scenario makes sense in that aspect. Alot had to be inferred and alot would've had to happen to make it so.
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(12-30-2019 09:48 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(12-29-2019 11:53 AM)bullet Wrote:  Interesting how all of you seem to like Rogue One. I liked it too, but the reviewers and public all seemed to dislike it. The only complaint I have about Rogue One is the same I had about 7-9-all the white human men have dark hair, look alike and have indistinct personalities. Its hard to figure out who is who when they show up in later scenes.

Haven't seen 9 yet, but my teenage son liked it. My teenage daughter loved I-VI but is reluctant to see this one because of the reviews.

The thing with Rogue One is that it tells a unique story that (in theory) was devoid of the force. The first 30 minutes take some time to get its footing, but from there it moves at a nice pace. Plus the finality of the characters fate was refreshing. Along with Vader kicking butt onscreen.
The Vader we saw in the last 10 minutes showed why he was such a feared individual in the galaxy. Just ruthless..


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Did anyone notice the lesbian kiss in Rise of Skywalker?
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(12-30-2019 12:44 PM)gdunn Wrote:  Did anyone notice the lesbian kiss in Rise of Skywalker?

Yes. Pure Disney PC garbage.
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I loved Rogue One and really liked Solo. Much better than the new trilogy. Disney really blew it by completely ignoring the expanded universe. I haven't seen the newest one, probably won't see it until it ends up on Disney +. Disney really screwed up star wars. Hope there are a bunch of standalone movies set in the galactic empire era that can redeem the franchise. They should just burn the new trilogy down. Maybe it'll get fixed in a remake of reboot in the future.
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Disney is reversing course to undo the damage that Darth Kennedy and Darth Johnson did in the trilogy including making the TLJ never happened. As it is, the news is that they hired Ewan McGregor to come back as Obi One. Christian Haydonson is also being brought back as Anakin. There is talks that They are bringing Mark Hamill back as Luke for a Disney + show on Luke Skywalker. TROS and The Mandolorian brought in source materials from the comics, books and the Clone Wars cartoons to tie things up. When Rey claimed she is a Skywalker? It is an FU to Kennedy who is in charged of Lucasfilms who wanted Luke to die, the Lesbian kiss, Rose Tico, that stupid sex bot who wants to be human in Solo and so forth. Rey is Han and Leia's daughter which means Palpatine is Luke and Leia's grandfather. I think they will clran all this up in the Luke Skywalker's tv show. John Faveruea and Dave Filino who are doing The Mandolorian worked with George Lucas on the Clone Wars cartoons from 2008 til now. It is being reported that Favereau is going to replaced Kennedy as the head of Lucasfilms. I could see some writers who will be let go who wanted TLJ to happen.
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(12-30-2019 01:44 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  I loved Rogue One and really liked Solo. Much better than the new trilogy. Disney really blew it by completely ignoring the expanded universe. I haven't seen the newest one, probably won't see it until it ends up on Disney +. Disney really screwed up star wars. Hope there are a bunch of standalone movies set in the galactic empire era that can redeem the franchise. They should just burn the new trilogy down. Maybe it'll get fixed in a remake of reboot in the future.

In reading the Bob Iger's treatise on his time at Disney, it seems as though there really wasn't a cogent plan on how to breath life back into Star Wars on screen. I can understand not wanting to go with the treatment Lucas had created. But what if they had done Rogue One and Solo first?

EP 7-9 revealed IMO the limitations of the Star Wars film saga in that its focus is on the fall of Palpatine's Empire. I think Disney felt there is little interest in seeing how the galaxy devolved into chaos after Endor on screen. But its clear that people would love to see more stories from the world and time period. I mean if you wanted a female led story, the life of Ahsoka Tano was there for the taking.

In the end, I think Iger and Disney were in such a rush to monetize the Lucasfilm acquisition that they failed to appreciate that RotJ was the end.
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(12-30-2019 05:45 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(12-30-2019 01:44 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  I loved Rogue One and really liked Solo. Much better than the new trilogy. Disney really blew it by completely ignoring the expanded universe. I haven't seen the newest one, probably won't see it until it ends up on Disney +. Disney really screwed up star wars. Hope there are a bunch of standalone movies set in the galactic empire era that can redeem the franchise. They should just burn the new trilogy down. Maybe it'll get fixed in a remake of reboot in the future.

In reading the Bob Iger's treatise on his time at Disney, it seems as though there really wasn't a cogent plan on how to breath life back into Star Wars on screen. I can understand not wanting to go with the treatment Lucas had created. But what if they had done Rogue One and Solo first?

EP 7-9 revealed IMO the limitations of the Star Wars film saga in that its focus is on the fall of Palpatine's Empire. I think Disney felt there is little interest in seeing how the galaxy devolved into chaos after Endor on screen. But its clear that people would love to see more stories from the world and time period. I mean if you wanted a female led story, the life of Ahsoka Tano was there for the taking.

In the end, I think Iger and Disney were in such a rush to monetize the Lucasfilm acquisition that they failed to appreciate that RotJ was the end.


That short sightedness hurt the Star Wars brand with storylines stole from the other SW movies, and the character building was bad where people can't get into the characters.
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(12-22-2019 04:23 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I tried watching The Force Awakings, but it had way too much Social Justice message in it. All that junk I heard in all three movies. I give those Disney trilogy of the fake Star Wars all thumbs down. Darth Abrams, Darth Johnson and Darth Kennedy ruined Star Wars forever.

It is a big flop worst than Solo.
People walked out of the movie.
Many theaters were almost empty.
There are movie goers booing.

Rey is the social justice warrior.
Rey never went through the struggles Luke went through.
Rey never got the training on how to use the force.
Killing off Han, Luke, Leia and Ben Solo ended the Skywalker name.

Rey is not a social justice warrior. Rey is a Mary Sue (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue ). JJ Abrams worked hard in this movie to remove this critique. Leah was her Jedi trainer.

My joke about her training is that Yoda taught a boy, Luke, about Jedi powers. Rey, a girl, read the books so she masters the Jedi powers. That may be the difference between boys and girls. 04-cheers
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