(12-19-2019 03:42 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(12-19-2019 03:38 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Who cares what some British clown thinks?

Shoot the messenger.

He say the same thing about anyone who didn't tote the DNC line.

Piers is merely saying what a huge number of Americans think.

https://spectator.us/nancy-pelosi-dull-i...spectacle/ More blunt talk-From Putin's puppet, Pelosi.

"I am so glad that Nancy Pelosi has finally come to her senses and declared — on the floor of the House no less — that impeachment is ‘a hatchet job on the presidency’. Yes, that’s right. The House, said Pelosi, is ‘not judging the president with fairness, but impeaching him with a vengeance’. Nicely phrased! The whole circus, she said, violates ‘fundamental principles that Americans hold dear: privacy, fairness, checks and balances’. Go, Nancy! Not only that, the impeachment process is taking place only because one party is ‘paralyzed with hatred’ of the president, and until they ‘free themselves of this hatred, our country will suffer’. I couldn’t agree more. Indeed, Pelosi was right again that the spectacle of impeachment is ‘about punishment searching for a crime that doesn’t exist’.

SCREECH!! The needle goes scudding across the vinyl disk: wrong impeachment!..."

"...It is this: that the Dems were themselves guilty of what they were accusing Donald Trump of. Worried about ‘Russian influence’ on the 2016? How about the so-called Steele dossier, a putrid pile of Russian disinformation fed to Steele by Russians eager to bollocks up the American election process and then paid for by the DNC and the Clinton campaign as opposition ‘research’ that was surreptitiously fed to the FISA Court to spy on American citizens and provide justification for the investigation of Trump’s campaign. The mind boggles, or at least it should.

In this case, the real Ukraine scandal is the Biden family scandal. Yet somehow Joe and Hunter Biden’s corruption got transmuted in supposed wrongdoing by Donald Trump. How does that work? ‘How Did the Bidens’ Corruption Become Trump’s Scandal?‘ It’s the special alchemy at which Democrats excel. Republicans never learned the knack...."

(12-19-2019 03:38 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Who cares what some British clown thinks?

you can put him on ignore too, pal..... ;p

(12-18-2019 11:41 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-17-2019 08:00 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I find it interesting that only one side has been heard, and the polling on this seems to be running about 50-50. If you consider a criminal trial, and when the prosecution completes their case, the jury is 50-50, not hard to figure that the verdict is going to be not guilty.

Well, Trump wouldn't let his folks testify at the House hearings and won't put them on the stand in the Republican led Senate hearings.

Those witnesses were subpoenaed. They refused to honor those requests. Hence the "Obstruction of Congress" charge.

So much for the "if you have nothing to hide..."

8th grade civics was your friend and you didn't even know it.

(12-18-2019 12:27 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-18-2019 12:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-18-2019 11:50 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-18-2019 11:49 AM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(12-18-2019 11:41 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Well, Trump wouldn't let his folks testify at the House hearings and won't put them on the stand in the Republican led Senate hearings.

Those witnesses were subpoenaed. They refused to honor those requests. Hence the "Obstruction of Congress" charge.

So much for the "if you have nothing to hide..."

That's not how it works either.

How so?

You saying people shouldn't honor subpoenas?

He's saying there is a process for ignored subpoenas. Obama ignored lots of subpoenas for Fast Furious document and witness requests. The Republicans didnt impeach him. They went to court to force the Executive Branch to comply.

That helps.

However, despite being an unsavory method to "catch" gun runners, how would this have been an impeachable offense?

Seriously? I thought you were a lawyer. It's no more an impeachable offense than Trump ignoring them.

(12-18-2019 04:01 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-18-2019 01:50 PM)UofMTigerTim Wrote:  

(12-18-2019 12:34 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-18-2019 12:29 PM)UofMTigerTim Wrote:  

(12-18-2019 12:27 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  That helps.

However, despite being an unsavory method to "catch" gun runners, how would this have been an impeachable offense?

It's not that's the point.

but the accusation is at least an impeachable offense.

That is incorrect. Accusations is not an impeachable offense.

Apologies for not being super duper specific.

The substance of the accusations, if true, could very likely rise to an impeachable offense.

That's not what you said, nowhere near it.

(12-18-2019 11:41 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-17-2019 08:00 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I find it interesting that only one side has been heard, and the polling on this seems to be running about 50-50. If you consider a criminal trial, and when the prosecution completes their case, the jury is 50-50, not hard to figure that the verdict is going to be not guilty.

Well, Trump wouldn't let his folks testify at the House hearings and won't put them on the stand in the Republican led Senate hearings.
Those witnesses were subpoenaed. They refused to honor those requests. Hence the "Obstruction of Congress" charge.
So much for the "if you have nothing to hide..."

Prisons are full of people who had nothing to hide and therefore cooperated too much with investigations. Executive privilege is literally a right, along with other privileges, and anybody who reveals any privileged information runs the risk of having waived the privilege with respect to anything. The proper remedy is to refuse to hand over any privileged information, or if you are seeking to obtain such information, then go to court to get an order to turn it over.

(12-20-2019 09:11 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-18-2019 11:41 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-17-2019 08:00 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I find it interesting that only one side has been heard, and the polling on this seems to be running about 50-50. If you consider a criminal trial, and when the prosecution completes their case, the jury is 50-50, not hard to figure that the verdict is going to be not guilty.

Well, Trump wouldn't let his folks testify at the House hearings and won't put them on the stand in the Republican led Senate hearings.
Those witnesses were subpoenaed. They refused to honor those requests. Hence the "Obstruction of Congress" charge.
So much for the "if you have nothing to hide..."

Prisons are full of people who had nothing to hide and therefore cooperated too much with investigations. Executive privilege is literally a right, along with other privileges, and anybody who reveals any privileged information runs the risk of having waived the privilege with respect to anything. The proper remedy is to refuse to hand over any privileged information, or if you are seeking to obtain such information, then go to court to get an order to turn it over.

For example, Flynn, who didn't even know he was being investigated.

(12-20-2019 10:16 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-20-2019 09:11 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(12-18-2019 11:41 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-17-2019 08:00 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I find it interesting that only one side has been heard, and the polling on this seems to be running about 50-50. If you consider a criminal trial, and when the prosecution completes their case, the jury is 50-50, not hard to figure that the verdict is going to be not guilty.

Well, Trump wouldn't let his folks testify at the House hearings and won't put them on the stand in the Republican led Senate hearings.
Those witnesses were subpoenaed. They refused to honor those requests. Hence the "Obstruction of Congress" charge.
So much for the "if you have nothing to hide..."

Prisons are full of people who had nothing to hide and therefore cooperated too much with investigations. Executive privilege is literally a right, along with other privileges, and anybody who reveals any privileged information runs the risk of having waived the privilege with respect to anything. The proper remedy is to refuse to hand over any privileged information, or if you are seeking to obtain such information, then go to court to get an order to turn it over.

For example, Flynn, who didn't even know he was being investigated.

what they did to Flynn was a 'jaw dropper' that confirmed the deep state straight out of the gate....

I'm still shakin' muh head over that one....