(12-22-2019 09:01 AM)Chalupa Batman Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 08:24 AM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(12-20-2019 11:07 PM)Chalupa Batman Wrote:  Giving up 160 yards on 40 carries isn’t exactly getting pushed around.

That's 160 rushing yards more than the JMU defense gave up in one play short of 2 games combined.

It may not be getting pushed around, but JMU's defense is pretty decent.

I’m not understanding the point of this. Where did I say JMU’s defense isn’t good?

You saying you would give up zero yards to ISU?


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IIRC, your comment was "giving up 160 rushing yards isn't that bad".

If that's not bad, then I'd like to point out that JMU gave up ZERO yards of rushing against UNI. And a single 97-yard run the game before that, and otherwise ZERO yards rushing in that game.

So if 160 in 1 game isn't bad, 97 in 2 games is better. I just wanted to point that out.

(12-22-2019 12:39 PM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 09:01 AM)Chalupa Batman Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 08:24 AM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(12-20-2019 11:07 PM)Chalupa Batman Wrote:  Giving up 160 yards on 40 carries isn’t exactly getting pushed around.

That's 160 rushing yards more than the JMU defense gave up in one play short of 2 games combined.

It may not be getting pushed around, but JMU's defense is pretty decent.

I’m not understanding the point of this. Where did I say JMU’s defense isn’t good?

You saying you would give up zero yards to ISU?


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IIRC, your comment was "giving up 160 rushing yards isn't that bad".

If that's not bad, then I'd like to point out that JMU gave up ZERO yards of rushing against UNI. And a single 97-yard run the game before that, and otherwise ZERO yards rushing in that game.

So if 160 in 1 game isn't bad, 97 in 2 games is better. I just wanted to point that out.

Yes your rushing defense the first 2 playoffs games (and all season really) is impressive no doubt. Neither of those rushing attacks are anywhere close to what ISU has though.

Monmouth was good statistically but as a Big South team they were completely outmatched physically. UNI’s rushing offense ranks 101st nationally. But still, holding any team to zero yards rushing is certainly impressive.

The original comment I made was in reference to another poster here saying we got pushed around up front on both sides of the ball that game. On offense I can’t disagree but I’m not seeing how our defense got pushed around. ISU is a very run heavy team (40 runs to 8 passes), it’s almost like playing an option attack in that they are going to keep running it no matter what because it’s their only real chance to move the ball.

At the end of the day we gave up less than 200 yards total offense, 9 first down, and 3 points. If that’s getting pushed around, every defensive coordinator in the country would take getting pushed around like that in a heartbeat.

(12-22-2019 01:08 PM)Chalupa Batman Wrote:  If that’s getting pushed around, every defensive coordinator in the country would take getting pushed around like that in a heartbeat.

Not ours. We’ve only allowed 61.1 average yards rushing per game rushing all year long. NDSU has allowed 135 avg rushing per game. 2.2 vs 3.8 per attempt.

(12-22-2019 01:08 PM)Chalupa Batman Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 12:39 PM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 09:01 AM)Chalupa Batman Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 08:24 AM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(12-20-2019 11:07 PM)Chalupa Batman Wrote:  Giving up 160 yards on 40 carries isn’t exactly getting pushed around.

That's 160 rushing yards more than the JMU defense gave up in one play short of 2 games combined.

It may not be getting pushed around, but JMU's defense is pretty decent.

I’m not understanding the point of this. Where did I say JMU’s defense isn’t good?

You saying you would give up zero yards to ISU?


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IIRC, your comment was "giving up 160 rushing yards isn't that bad".

If that's not bad, then I'd like to point out that JMU gave up ZERO yards of rushing against UNI. And a single 97-yard run the game before that, and otherwise ZERO yards rushing in that game.

So if 160 in 1 game isn't bad, 97 in 2 games is better. I just wanted to point that out.

Yes your rushing defense the first 2 playoffs games (and all season really) is impressive no doubt. Neither of those rushing attacks are anywhere close to what ISU has though.

Monmouth was good statistically but as a Big South team they were completely outmatched physically. UNI’s rushing offense ranks 101st nationally. But still, holding any team to zero yards rushing is certainly impressive.

The original comment I made was in reference to another poster here saying we got pushed around up front on both sides of the ball that game. On offense I can’t disagree but I’m not seeing how our defense got pushed around. ISU is a very run heavy team (40 runs to 8 passes), it’s almost like playing an option attack in that they are going to keep running it no matter what because it’s their only real chance to move the ball.

At the end of the day we gave up less than 200 yards total offense, 9 first down, and 3 points. If that’s getting pushed around, every defensive coordinator in the country would take getting pushed around like that in a heartbeat.

Teams can push opposing lines around and still lose the game. To your point, at least an option attack mixes in some variety in ways they run the ball which causes problems for a defense. Everyone knew ISUr was going to turn around and hand the ball the Robinson and you still gave up 4 yards a carry and 160 yards. That is getting pushed around especially when you know exactly whats coming. That was also a week after giving up 171 to a Nichols team that had 4.2 yards a carry yet for some reason decided to throw the ball around. Credit to you guys from causing two picks but the defensive line especially the interior linemen were pushed around in that game as well.

(12-22-2019 01:35 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 01:08 PM)Chalupa Batman Wrote:  If that’s getting pushed around, every defensive coordinator in the country would take getting pushed around like that in a heartbeat.

Not ours. We’ve only allowed 61.1 average yards rushing per game rushing all year long. NDSU has allowed 135 avg rushing per game. 2.2 vs 3.8 per attempt.

I said total yards allowed, not just rushing. Under 200 yards allowed is still good is it not?


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(12-22-2019 02:12 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 01:08 PM)Chalupa Batman Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 12:39 PM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 09:01 AM)Chalupa Batman Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 08:24 AM)94computerguy Wrote:  That's 160 rushing yards more than the JMU defense gave up in one play short of 2 games combined.

It may not be getting pushed around, but JMU's defense is pretty decent.

I’m not understanding the point of this. Where did I say JMU’s defense isn’t good?

You saying you would give up zero yards to ISU?


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IIRC, your comment was "giving up 160 rushing yards isn't that bad".

If that's not bad, then I'd like to point out that JMU gave up ZERO yards of rushing against UNI. And a single 97-yard run the game before that, and otherwise ZERO yards rushing in that game.

So if 160 in 1 game isn't bad, 97 in 2 games is better. I just wanted to point that out.

Yes your rushing defense the first 2 playoffs games (and all season really) is impressive no doubt. Neither of those rushing attacks are anywhere close to what ISU has though.

Monmouth was good statistically but as a Big South team they were completely outmatched physically. UNI’s rushing offense ranks 101st nationally. But still, holding any team to zero yards rushing is certainly impressive.

The original comment I made was in reference to another poster here saying we got pushed around up front on both sides of the ball that game. On offense I can’t disagree but I’m not seeing how our defense got pushed around. ISU is a very run heavy team (40 runs to 8 passes), it’s almost like playing an option attack in that they are going to keep running it no matter what because it’s their only real chance to move the ball.

At the end of the day we gave up less than 200 yards total offense, 9 first down, and 3 points. If that’s getting pushed around, every defensive coordinator in the country would take getting pushed around like that in a heartbeat.

Teams can push opposing lines around and still lose the game. To your point, at least an option attack mixes in some variety in ways they run the ball which causes problems for a defense. Everyone knew ISUr was going to turn around and hand the ball the Robinson and you still gave up 4 yards a carry and 160 yards. That is getting pushed around especially when you know exactly whats coming. That was also a week after giving up 171 to a Nichols team that had 4.2 yards a carry yet for some reason decided to throw the ball around. Credit to you guys from causing two picks but the defensive line especially the interior linemen were pushed around in that game as well.

Yep our defense really sucks balls. Keep harping on our rushing defense while ignoring total defense (2nd, 5 yards per game behind you guys) and the most important stat of all, scoring defense (1st, 3 points per game ahead of you guys).


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(12-22-2019 02:35 PM)Chalupa Batman Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 02:12 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 01:08 PM)Chalupa Batman Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 12:39 PM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 09:01 AM)Chalupa Batman Wrote:  I’m not understanding the point of this. Where did I say JMU’s defense isn’t good?

You saying you would give up zero yards to ISU?


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IIRC, your comment was "giving up 160 rushing yards isn't that bad".

If that's not bad, then I'd like to point out that JMU gave up ZERO yards of rushing against UNI. And a single 97-yard run the game before that, and otherwise ZERO yards rushing in that game.

So if 160 in 1 game isn't bad, 97 in 2 games is better. I just wanted to point that out.

Yes your rushing defense the first 2 playoffs games (and all season really) is impressive no doubt. Neither of those rushing attacks are anywhere close to what ISU has though.

Monmouth was good statistically but as a Big South team they were completely outmatched physically. UNI’s rushing offense ranks 101st nationally. But still, holding any team to zero yards rushing is certainly impressive.

The original comment I made was in reference to another poster here saying we got pushed around up front on both sides of the ball that game. On offense I can’t disagree but I’m not seeing how our defense got pushed around. ISU is a very run heavy team (40 runs to 8 passes), it’s almost like playing an option attack in that they are going to keep running it no matter what because it’s their only real chance to move the ball.

At the end of the day we gave up less than 200 yards total offense, 9 first down, and 3 points. If that’s getting pushed around, every defensive coordinator in the country would take getting pushed around like that in a heartbeat.

Teams can push opposing lines around and still lose the game. To your point, at least an option attack mixes in some variety in ways they run the ball which causes problems for a defense. Everyone knew ISUr was going to turn around and hand the ball the Robinson and you still gave up 4 yards a carry and 160 yards. That is getting pushed around especially when you know exactly whats coming. That was also a week after giving up 171 to a Nichols team that had 4.2 yards a carry yet for some reason decided to throw the ball around. Credit to you guys from causing two picks but the defensive line especially the interior linemen were pushed around in that game as well.

Yep our defense really sucks balls. Keep harping on our rushing defense while ignoring total defense (2nd, 5 yards per game behind you guys) and the most important stat of all, scoring defense (1st, 3 points per game ahead of you guys).


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This years edition of NDSU won’t be able to run on JMU, and the Bison won’t be able to stop the JMU rushing attack. Add in two Stapleton's (you thought one was trouble, wait until NDSU fans start seeing double), a speedy Polk and an elusive, accurate QB for good measure, and JMU wins the NC in a cake-walk.

(12-22-2019 02:18 PM)Chalupa Batman Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 01:35 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 01:08 PM)Chalupa Batman Wrote:  If that’s getting pushed around, every defensive coordinator in the country would take getting pushed around like that in a heartbeat.

Not ours. We’ve only allowed 61.1 average yards rushing per game rushing all year long. NDSU has allowed 135 avg rushing per game. 2.2 vs 3.8 per attempt.

I said total yards allowed, not just rushing. Under 200 yards allowed is still good is it not?


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JMU held UNI to 114 total yards, NDSU surrendered 339 yards to them, so sorry, still not impressed. Wouldn't trade our Defense for any other in FCS.

(12-22-2019 03:28 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 02:18 PM)Chalupa Batman Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 01:35 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 01:08 PM)Chalupa Batman Wrote:  If that’s getting pushed around, every defensive coordinator in the country would take getting pushed around like that in a heartbeat.

Not ours. We’ve only allowed 61.1 average yards rushing per game rushing all year long. NDSU has allowed 135 avg rushing per game. 2.2 vs 3.8 per attempt.

I said total yards allowed, not just rushing. Under 200 yards allowed is still good is it not?


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JMU held UNI to 114 total yards, NDSU surrendered 339 yards to them, so sorry, still not impressed. Wouldn't trade our Defense for any other in FCS.

Where did I suggest you should trade, or imply that your defense isn’t good? I also didn’t say that our defense against ISU was better than yours against UNI.

All I was trying to say was that our defense didn’t get pushed around like some people say. I’ll ask again, under 200 yards and 9 first downs is pretty good, not?

If you ask defensive coordinators around the country if they could be guaranteed those numbers from their defense, every single one would take that immediately.


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(12-22-2019 02:35 PM)Chalupa Batman Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 02:12 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 01:08 PM)Chalupa Batman Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 12:39 PM)94computerguy Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 09:01 AM)Chalupa Batman Wrote:  I’m not understanding the point of this. Where did I say JMU’s defense isn’t good?

You saying you would give up zero yards to ISU?


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IIRC, your comment was "giving up 160 rushing yards isn't that bad".

If that's not bad, then I'd like to point out that JMU gave up ZERO yards of rushing against UNI. And a single 97-yard run the game before that, and otherwise ZERO yards rushing in that game.

So if 160 in 1 game isn't bad, 97 in 2 games is better. I just wanted to point that out.

Yes your rushing defense the first 2 playoffs games (and all season really) is impressive no doubt. Neither of those rushing attacks are anywhere close to what ISU has though.

Monmouth was good statistically but as a Big South team they were completely outmatched physically. UNI’s rushing offense ranks 101st nationally. But still, holding any team to zero yards rushing is certainly impressive.

The original comment I made was in reference to another poster here saying we got pushed around up front on both sides of the ball that game. On offense I can’t disagree but I’m not seeing how our defense got pushed around. ISU is a very run heavy team (40 runs to 8 passes), it’s almost like playing an option attack in that they are going to keep running it no matter what because it’s their only real chance to move the ball.

At the end of the day we gave up less than 200 yards total offense, 9 first down, and 3 points. If that’s getting pushed around, every defensive coordinator in the country would take getting pushed around like that in a heartbeat.

Teams can push opposing lines around and still lose the game. To your point, at least an option attack mixes in some variety in ways they run the ball which causes problems for a defense. Everyone knew ISUr was going to turn around and hand the ball the Robinson and you still gave up 4 yards a carry and 160 yards. That is getting pushed around especially when you know exactly whats coming. That was also a week after giving up 171 to a Nichols team that had 4.2 yards a carry yet for some reason decided to throw the ball around. Credit to you guys from causing two picks but the defensive line especially the interior linemen were pushed around in that game as well.

Yep our defense really sucks balls. Keep harping on our rushing defense while ignoring total defense (2nd, 5 yards per game behind you guys) and the most important stat of all, scoring defense (1st, 3 points per game ahead of you guys).


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Where did I say your defense sucks balls? Never a good sign when you cant respond to facts without creating imaginary statements in your head. I simply said that your defense was pushed around and many bison fans would agree with me for your first two playoff games and SIU. (206 yards...yikes).

By the way, whats the first thing almost every single defensive coach at any level of football says they want to do in their game plan? Stop the run. If you have trouble stopping the run it makes it tough to do anything else so yes I will keep harping on your rush defense because it's arguably the most important part of a defensive scheme. Teams get away from the run when your offense is moving up and down the field on them but when you're in a back and forth game that could present problems

(12-22-2019 04:21 PM)Chalupa Batman Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 03:28 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 02:18 PM)Chalupa Batman Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 01:35 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 01:08 PM)Chalupa Batman Wrote:  If that’s getting pushed around, every defensive coordinator in the country would take getting pushed around like that in a heartbeat.

Not ours. We’ve only allowed 61.1 average yards rushing per game rushing all year long. NDSU has allowed 135 avg rushing per game. 2.2 vs 3.8 per attempt.

I said total yards allowed, not just rushing. Under 200 yards allowed is still good is it not?


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JMU held UNI to 114 total yards, NDSU surrendered 339 yards to them, so sorry, still not impressed. Wouldn't trade our Defense for any other in FCS.

Where did I suggest you should trade, or imply that your defense isn’t good? I also didn’t say that our defense against ISU was better than yours against UNI.

All I was trying to say was that our defense didn’t get pushed around like some people say. I’ll ask again, under 200 yards and 9 first downs is pretty good, not?

If you ask defensive coordinators around the country if they could be guaranteed those numbers from their defense, every single one would take that immediately.


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Perhaps you should rephrase to "most defensive coordinators other than JMU's" ... because our performance standard is higher this year, particularly on rushing defense. Your defense is far above average, and a very good one. We believe ours is better, and we'll both find out soon enough.

(12-22-2019 04:26 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 02:35 PM)Chalupa Batman Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 02:12 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 01:08 PM)Chalupa Batman Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 12:39 PM)94computerguy Wrote:  IIRC, your comment was "giving up 160 rushing yards isn't that bad".

If that's not bad, then I'd like to point out that JMU gave up ZERO yards of rushing against UNI. And a single 97-yard run the game before that, and otherwise ZERO yards rushing in that game.

So if 160 in 1 game isn't bad, 97 in 2 games is better. I just wanted to point that out.

Yes your rushing defense the first 2 playoffs games (and all season really) is impressive no doubt. Neither of those rushing attacks are anywhere close to what ISU has though.

Monmouth was good statistically but as a Big South team they were completely outmatched physically. UNI’s rushing offense ranks 101st nationally. But still, holding any team to zero yards rushing is certainly impressive.

The original comment I made was in reference to another poster here saying we got pushed around up front on both sides of the ball that game. On offense I can’t disagree but I’m not seeing how our defense got pushed around. ISU is a very run heavy team (40 runs to 8 passes), it’s almost like playing an option attack in that they are going to keep running it no matter what because it’s their only real chance to move the ball.

At the end of the day we gave up less than 200 yards total offense, 9 first down, and 3 points. If that’s getting pushed around, every defensive coordinator in the country would take getting pushed around like that in a heartbeat.

Teams can push opposing lines around and still lose the game. To your point, at least an option attack mixes in some variety in ways they run the ball which causes problems for a defense. Everyone knew ISUr was going to turn around and hand the ball the Robinson and you still gave up 4 yards a carry and 160 yards. That is getting pushed around especially when you know exactly whats coming. That was also a week after giving up 171 to a Nichols team that had 4.2 yards a carry yet for some reason decided to throw the ball around. Credit to you guys from causing two picks but the defensive line especially the interior linemen were pushed around in that game as well.

Yep our defense really sucks balls. Keep harping on our rushing defense while ignoring total defense (2nd, 5 yards per game behind you guys) and the most important stat of all, scoring defense (1st, 3 points per game ahead of you guys).


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Where did I say your defense sucks balls? Never a good sign when you cant respond to facts without creating imaginary statements in your head. I simply said that your defense was pushed around and many bison fans would agree with me for your first two playoff games and SIU. (206 yards...yikes).

By the way, whats the first thing almost every single defensive coach at any level of football says they want to do in their game plan? Stop the run. If you have trouble stopping the run it makes it tough to do anything else so yes I will keep harping on your rush defense because it's arguably the most important part of a defensive scheme. Teams get away from the run when your offense is moving up and down the field on them but when you're in a back and forth game that could present problems

No, you didn’t say that, but you keep insisting we got pushed around against ISUr and cherry picking stats from that game and other games to try and prove that point. You’ll forgive me if that’s my takeaway. I’m not ignoring the facts you present either. Would I like us to be better against the run? Yes. But there’s more to defense than simply doing well against the run, I’m giving additional facts to show that (which you are conveniently ignoring). 2nd in total defense (right behind you) and 1st in scoring defense tell a more complete story.

In the 3 games you cherry picked in SIU, Nicholls, and ISU: We’ve allowed a total of 23 points, and 245 total yards per game (over 130 yards below those teams’ season averages). Maybe, and I know this is crazy, our defensive coaches have a pretty good idea of what they’re doing.

One last food for thought: 8 of our 15 opponents rank in the top 33 in FCS in rushing offense, while 4 of JMU’s opponents ranked even in the top 50. I don’t mention that to try and say our run D is as good as yours, because I think yours is the best. Just saying it’s possible that our run defense isn’t quite as bad as many would like to believe.

(12-23-2019 12:24 PM)Chalupa Batman Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 04:26 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 02:35 PM)Chalupa Batman Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 02:12 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 01:08 PM)Chalupa Batman Wrote:  Yes your rushing defense the first 2 playoffs games (and all season really) is impressive no doubt. Neither of those rushing attacks are anywhere close to what ISU has though.

Monmouth was good statistically but as a Big South team they were completely outmatched physically. UNI’s rushing offense ranks 101st nationally. But still, holding any team to zero yards rushing is certainly impressive.

The original comment I made was in reference to another poster here saying we got pushed around up front on both sides of the ball that game. On offense I can’t disagree but I’m not seeing how our defense got pushed around. ISU is a very run heavy team (40 runs to 8 passes), it’s almost like playing an option attack in that they are going to keep running it no matter what because it’s their only real chance to move the ball.

At the end of the day we gave up less than 200 yards total offense, 9 first down, and 3 points. If that’s getting pushed around, every defensive coordinator in the country would take getting pushed around like that in a heartbeat.

Teams can push opposing lines around and still lose the game. To your point, at least an option attack mixes in some variety in ways they run the ball which causes problems for a defense. Everyone knew ISUr was going to turn around and hand the ball the Robinson and you still gave up 4 yards a carry and 160 yards. That is getting pushed around especially when you know exactly whats coming. That was also a week after giving up 171 to a Nichols team that had 4.2 yards a carry yet for some reason decided to throw the ball around. Credit to you guys from causing two picks but the defensive line especially the interior linemen were pushed around in that game as well.

Yep our defense really sucks balls. Keep harping on our rushing defense while ignoring total defense (2nd, 5 yards per game behind you guys) and the most important stat of all, scoring defense (1st, 3 points per game ahead of you guys).


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Where did I say your defense sucks balls? Never a good sign when you cant respond to facts without creating imaginary statements in your head. I simply said that your defense was pushed around and many bison fans would agree with me for your first two playoff games and SIU. (206 yards...yikes).

By the way, whats the first thing almost every single defensive coach at any level of football says they want to do in their game plan? Stop the run. If you have trouble stopping the run it makes it tough to do anything else so yes I will keep harping on your rush defense because it's arguably the most important part of a defensive scheme. Teams get away from the run when your offense is moving up and down the field on them but when you're in a back and forth game that could present problems

No, you didn’t say that, but you keep insisting we got pushed around against ISUr and cherry picking stats from that game and other games to try and prove that point. You’ll forgive me if that’s my takeaway. I’m not ignoring the facts you present either. Would I like us to be better against the run? Yes. But there’s more to defense than simply doing well against the run, I’m giving additional facts to show that (which you are conveniently ignoring). 2nd in total defense (right behind you) and 1st in scoring defense tell a more complete story.

In the 3 games you cherry picked in SIU, Nicholls, and ISU: We’ve allowed a total of 23 points, and 245 total yards per game (over 130 yards below those teams’ season averages). Maybe, and I know this is crazy, our defensive coaches have a pretty good idea of what they’re doing.

One last food for thought: 8 of our 15 opponents rank in the top 33 in FCS in rushing offense, while 4 of JMU’s opponents ranked even in the top 50. I don’t mention that to try and say our run D is as good as yours, because I think yours is the best. Just saying it’s possible that our run defense isn’t quite as bad as many would like to believe.

I won't say it's bad, but I do feel it isn't as good as it probably needs to be to beat us. We are a run first team. Everything we do on offense starts with our run game. All I am saying is if you have trouble stopping our running game it is probably going to be a difficult day for you.

On the other side, NDSU has an incredibly strong rushing offense. Thankfully for us, our rushing defense is one of the best in the country.

(12-22-2019 04:36 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 04:21 PM)Chalupa Batman Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 03:28 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 02:18 PM)Chalupa Batman Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 01:35 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  Not ours. We’ve only allowed 61.1 average yards rushing per game rushing all year long. NDSU has allowed 135 avg rushing per game. 2.2 vs 3.8 per attempt.

I said total yards allowed, not just rushing. Under 200 yards allowed is still good is it not?


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JMU held UNI to 114 total yards, NDSU surrendered 339 yards to them, so sorry, still not impressed. Wouldn't trade our Defense for any other in FCS.

Where did I suggest you should trade, or imply that your defense isn’t good? I also didn’t say that our defense against ISU was better than yours against UNI.

All I was trying to say was that our defense didn’t get pushed around like some people say. I’ll ask again, under 200 yards and 9 first downs is pretty good, not?

If you ask defensive coordinators around the country if they could be guaranteed those numbers from their defense, every single one would take that immediately.


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Perhaps you should rephrase to "most defensive coordinators other than JMU's" ... because our performance standard is higher this year, particularly on rushing defense. Your defense is far above average, and a very good one. We believe ours is better, and we'll both find out soon enough.

I’ve asked the question twice (bolded above) which you’ve sidestepped both times, but I’ll try it again.

Is giving up less than 200 yards total offense and 9 first downs considered good? It’s a simple yes or no question.

As to your most recent post, I call BS that he wouldn’t take those numbers. If someone came up to the JMU D coordinator right now and said he has a game plan that will guarantee NDSU has under 200 yards total offense and less than 10 first downs you don’t think he’d take that? He would sign up for that in a heartbeat and not give two ***** about how many of those yards are from rushing.

He would accept those total yardage and first down numbers against ANY opponent, not just against one like NDSU.

Really want our approval & validation, huh? Most insecure (& French) fanbase ever.

(12-23-2019 12:46 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  

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(12-22-2019 04:26 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 02:35 PM)Chalupa Batman Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 02:12 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  Teams can push opposing lines around and still lose the game. To your point, at least an option attack mixes in some variety in ways they run the ball which causes problems for a defense. Everyone knew ISUr was going to turn around and hand the ball the Robinson and you still gave up 4 yards a carry and 160 yards. That is getting pushed around especially when you know exactly whats coming. That was also a week after giving up 171 to a Nichols team that had 4.2 yards a carry yet for some reason decided to throw the ball around. Credit to you guys from causing two picks but the defensive line especially the interior linemen were pushed around in that game as well.

Yep our defense really sucks balls. Keep harping on our rushing defense while ignoring total defense (2nd, 5 yards per game behind you guys) and the most important stat of all, scoring defense (1st, 3 points per game ahead of you guys).


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Where did I say your defense sucks balls? Never a good sign when you cant respond to facts without creating imaginary statements in your head. I simply said that your defense was pushed around and many bison fans would agree with me for your first two playoff games and SIU. (206 yards...yikes).

By the way, whats the first thing almost every single defensive coach at any level of football says they want to do in their game plan? Stop the run. If you have trouble stopping the run it makes it tough to do anything else so yes I will keep harping on your rush defense because it's arguably the most important part of a defensive scheme. Teams get away from the run when your offense is moving up and down the field on them but when you're in a back and forth game that could present problems

No, you didn’t say that, but you keep insisting we got pushed around against ISUr and cherry picking stats from that game and other games to try and prove that point. You’ll forgive me if that’s my takeaway. I’m not ignoring the facts you present either. Would I like us to be better against the run? Yes. But there’s more to defense than simply doing well against the run, I’m giving additional facts to show that (which you are conveniently ignoring). 2nd in total defense (right behind you) and 1st in scoring defense tell a more complete story.

In the 3 games you cherry picked in SIU, Nicholls, and ISU: We’ve allowed a total of 23 points, and 245 total yards per game (over 130 yards below those teams’ season averages). Maybe, and I know this is crazy, our defensive coaches have a pretty good idea of what they’re doing.

One last food for thought: 8 of our 15 opponents rank in the top 33 in FCS in rushing offense, while 4 of JMU’s opponents ranked even in the top 50. I don’t mention that to try and say our run D is as good as yours, because I think yours is the best. Just saying it’s possible that our run defense isn’t quite as bad as many would like to believe.

I won't say it's bad, but I do feel it isn't as good as it probably needs to be to beat us. We are a run first team. Everything we do on offense starts with our run game. All I am saying is if you have trouble stopping our running game it is probably going to be a difficult day for you.

On the other side, NDSU has an incredibly strong rushing offense. Thankfully for us, our rushing defense is one of the best in the country.

The good thing is we'll get to find all that out. Truth be told offenses and defenses for both teams have many big challenges ahead of them, which is what makes this game so exciting.

(12-23-2019 01:13 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Really want our approval & validation, huh? Most insecure (& French) fanbase ever.

Just talking football. If viewing my team through a lens that isn't tinted purple makes me insecure, then so be it.

Nah. Just being on the JMU board arguing that your defense deserves incremental more respect smells like insecurity.

(12-23-2019 04:28 PM)Chalupa Batman Wrote:  

(12-23-2019 01:13 PM)HyperDuke Wrote:  Really want our approval & validation, huh? Most insecure (& French) fanbase ever.

Just talking football. If viewing my team through a lens that isn't tinted purple makes me insecure, then so be it.

Have you checked out Bisonville lately? I understand they have a swell (or swollen, as it were) peni$-measuring contest underway over there.

(12-23-2019 12:24 PM)Chalupa Batman Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 04:26 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 02:35 PM)Chalupa Batman Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 02:12 PM)fishingduke12 Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 01:08 PM)Chalupa Batman Wrote:  Yes your rushing defense the first 2 playoffs games (and all season really) is impressive no doubt. Neither of those rushing attacks are anywhere close to what ISU has though.

Monmouth was good statistically but as a Big South team they were completely outmatched physically. UNI’s rushing offense ranks 101st nationally. But still, holding any team to zero yards rushing is certainly impressive.

The original comment I made was in reference to another poster here saying we got pushed around up front on both sides of the ball that game. On offense I can’t disagree but I’m not seeing how our defense got pushed around. ISU is a very run heavy team (40 runs to 8 passes), it’s almost like playing an option attack in that they are going to keep running it no matter what because it’s their only real chance to move the ball.

At the end of the day we gave up less than 200 yards total offense, 9 first down, and 3 points. If that’s getting pushed around, every defensive coordinator in the country would take getting pushed around like that in a heartbeat.

Teams can push opposing lines around and still lose the game. To your point, at least an option attack mixes in some variety in ways they run the ball which causes problems for a defense. Everyone knew ISUr was going to turn around and hand the ball the Robinson and you still gave up 4 yards a carry and 160 yards. That is getting pushed around especially when you know exactly whats coming. That was also a week after giving up 171 to a Nichols team that had 4.2 yards a carry yet for some reason decided to throw the ball around. Credit to you guys from causing two picks but the defensive line especially the interior linemen were pushed around in that game as well.

Yep our defense really sucks balls. Keep harping on our rushing defense while ignoring total defense (2nd, 5 yards per game behind you guys) and the most important stat of all, scoring defense (1st, 3 points per game ahead of you guys).


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Where did I say your defense sucks balls? Never a good sign when you cant respond to facts without creating imaginary statements in your head. I simply said that your defense was pushed around and many bison fans would agree with me for your first two playoff games and SIU. (206 yards...yikes).

By the way, whats the first thing almost every single defensive coach at any level of football says they want to do in their game plan? Stop the run. If you have trouble stopping the run it makes it tough to do anything else so yes I will keep harping on your rush defense because it's arguably the most important part of a defensive scheme. Teams get away from the run when your offense is moving up and down the field on them but when you're in a back and forth game that could present problems

No, you didn’t say that, but you keep insisting we got pushed around against ISUr and cherry picking stats from that game and other games to try and prove that point. You’ll forgive me if that’s my takeaway. I’m not ignoring the facts you present either. Would I like us to be better against the run? Yes. But there’s more to defense than simply doing well against the run, I’m giving additional facts to show that (which you are conveniently ignoring). 2nd in total defense (right behind you) and 1st in scoring defense tell a more complete story.

In the 3 games you cherry picked in SIU, Nicholls, and ISU: We’ve allowed a total of 23 points, and 245 total yards per game (over 130 yards below those teams’ season averages). Maybe, and I know this is crazy, our defensive coaches have a pretty good idea of what they’re doing.

One last food for thought: 8 of our 15 opponents rank in the top 33 in FCS in rushing offense, while 4 of JMU’s opponents ranked even in the top 50. I don’t mention that to try and say our run D is as good as yours, because I think yours is the best. Just saying it’s possible that our run defense isn’t quite as bad as many would like to believe.

Yet again, please point out where i said your defense sucks or that you havent been dominant. I havent ignored anything you've stated nor made any claims that will run all over your team or anything outlandish but you seem to think that pointing out a perceived weakness is somehow insulting your manhood.

Taking three game (that happened in a row mind you) is not cherry picking stats, some may even call that a trend. If you think it is then i like how you also cherry picked stats to prove your point. Funny how that works. I wonder how many of those top 33 rush offenses got away from the run since you were likely up by a ton of points. That may also explain your top pass defensive stats. Although the more I look into it, you've played maybe 2 decent to good QBs all year. Gibbs gave you the most trouble and he only played a quarter.

Like i said in my first post, you can still get pushed around on the lines and win games even in dominant fashion. However, feel free to continue to be butthurt about it