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(01-06-2020 01:35 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(01-06-2020 01:12 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(01-06-2020 09:12 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(01-06-2020 08:51 AM)Def Berkkat Wrote:  

(01-06-2020 08:21 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  I agree. Had the B12 added UC and say UCF, two years ago, they would have created lots of energy with competitive football teams in major new television markets. As a conference, they lack vision. In my mind, that's mostly a UT problem; fat and happy with their Longhorn Network. On one level, I understand it; no "G5" will create an immediate buzz with their fanbase. But the right G5 selections stack up well with their existing institutions and will get traction quickly, earn respect and begin building rivalries.

Look how quickly WVU grew to hate us.

Yep. No disrespect to their athletics @ WVU but my guess is they want no part of UC in the B12. They witnessed the awakening of a slumbering football contender when UC joined the Big East. One that eventually overtook WVU in winning conference championships. They would, rightly, have much to fear: home turf recruiting advantages of UC in Cincy/OH, bigger, better academic institution and a fine campus in an amazing city.

Dunno. They’d probably welcome some closer conference mates and they really don’t recruit Ohio that much anymore anyways. They have had like 2-3 Ohio kids in their last 3-4 classes combined. They signed a kid out of Indian Hill a few classes ago if I recall.

I have a buddy up here who is a two time WVU grad and he said he and a lot of other people who he still speaks with really miss having Cincinnati on the schedule every year...says he felt like it was a really cool regional game and a budding rivalry with all of the classic games we had in the mid '00s-early '10s

I agree.

As a UC fan living in two different parts of WV for more than 15 years, the majority of WVU fans have been really conciliatory to me when I wear my UC gear. The majority of Mountaineer FANS have a positive opinion of UC...even to the historic ties UC has with WVU (Huggins, Catlett, etc...).

The "Rival" WVU had in the BE 2.0 (post-ACC raid) was Louisville. That rivalry was cut short. But UC was seen as an overall positive...BY THE FANS.

Now, the WVU administration...that's a different story altogether. Gordon Gee is no advocate of UC. Oliver Luck and Shane Lyons have been anti-UC. The "Official" stance on UC is that (a) UC would not bring more $$$ to the table, but would take money away from WVU, (b) UC is a "BB School" and therefore not committed to "Big Boy Football," and © that UC is "MAC level" competition with a small stadium and small-time support. (I do not agree with most of this...except that traditionally we have tried to run a "Major Conference Level" athletic department with a "MAC mindset.")

I also think that WVU recognizes that they took the short-term guarantee of $$$ at the expense of a long-term vision. Most people in the WVU athletic department know that the B12's future is cloudy at best...so they took the short-term conference affiliation. AND THEY HAD TO. The AAC is a poor alternative to the Power Conference world. I honestly think WVU will not be "Left Behind" when/if the B12 dissolves and forces another round of realignment. They have taken their $$$ and exposure and have used them to build up their program...

Who knows what the future holds for UC?

The BE was just about perfect for the fans. Enough big schools to retain status as a power conference but no heavyweights blocking you from winning the conference. Good regional rivalries. Unfortunately for the institutions the TV money from ACC/B10 is substantially more valuable than fan satisfaction. Heck even if the lose the fans completely it's almost becoming like the NFL where the TV check means you don't have to do anything right and you can actually blow tons of money on buyouts when you do make an unpopular hire.

I'd imagine all the fans of the 9 BE football schools would go back without question. The problem was those institutions weren't willing to cut ties with their traditional basketball rivals so that conference could make some targeted additions like TCU to stabilize itself.

(01-06-2020 02:14 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  The BE was just about perfect for the fans. Enough big schools to retain status as a power conference but no heavyweights blocking you from winning the conference. Good regional rivalries. Unfortunately for the institutions the TV money from ACC/B10 is substantially more valuable than fan satisfaction. Heck even if the lose the fans completely it's almost becoming like the NFL where the TV check means you don't have to do anything right and you can actually blow tons of money on buyouts when you do make an unpopular hire.

I'd imagine all the fans of the 9 BE football schools would go back without question. The problem was those institutions weren't willing to cut ties with their traditional basketball rivals so that conference could make some targeted additions like TCU to stabilize itself.

Bolded, so true. I can't imagine Rutgers (remaining) fans are any too happy about the weekly bludgeoning in the B10 but the administration thinks it's the sweet smell of success--the green kind.

I miss having 3 rival conference teams located within a relatively easy game day drive more than I do the BCS bid.

Being on an island in the AAC has always sucked donkey schlongs. 8-9 hours to our nearest conference mate is raunchy especially with the unbalanced schedule.

My guess is WVU fans feel my pain. They have it even worse. Iowa St is probably their closest conference game and that has to be a 14-15 hour drive

(01-06-2020 03:03 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(01-06-2020 02:14 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  The BE was just about perfect for the fans. Enough big schools to retain status as a power conference but no heavyweights blocking you from winning the conference. Good regional rivalries. Unfortunately for the institutions the TV money from ACC/B10 is substantially more valuable than fan satisfaction. Heck even if the lose the fans completely it's almost becoming like the NFL where the TV check means you don't have to do anything right and you can actually blow tons of money on buyouts when you do make an unpopular hire.

I'd imagine all the fans of the 9 BE football schools would go back without question. The problem was those institutions weren't willing to cut ties with their traditional basketball rivals so that conference could make some targeted additions like TCU to stabilize itself.

Bolded, so true. I can't imagine Rutgers (remaining) fans are any too happy about the weekly bludgeoning in the B10 but the administration thinks it's the sweet smell of success--the green kind.

Unfortunately, I think Rutgers fans are happier to be associated with the Big 10 schools. They seem to like that they have 'moved up' in the world of college athletics, even though they've been humiliated most weeks since joining the conference.

(01-06-2020 03:17 PM)Racinejake Wrote:  

(01-06-2020 03:03 PM)OKIcat Wrote:  

(01-06-2020 02:14 PM)RealDeal Wrote:  The BE was just about perfect for the fans. Enough big schools to retain status as a power conference but no heavyweights blocking you from winning the conference. Good regional rivalries. Unfortunately for the institutions the TV money from ACC/B10 is substantially more valuable than fan satisfaction. Heck even if the lose the fans completely it's almost becoming like the NFL where the TV check means you don't have to do anything right and you can actually blow tons of money on buyouts when you do make an unpopular hire.

I'd imagine all the fans of the 9 BE football schools would go back without question. The problem was those institutions weren't willing to cut ties with their traditional basketball rivals so that conference could make some targeted additions like TCU to stabilize itself.

Bolded, so true. I can't imagine Rutgers (remaining) fans are any too happy about the weekly bludgeoning in the B10 but the administration thinks it's the sweet smell of success--the green kind.

Unfortunately, I think Rutgers fans are happier to be associated with the Big 10 schools. They seem to like that they have 'moved up' in the world of college athletics, even though they've been humiliated most weeks since joining the conference.

And Rutgers is despised by many of my friends who are fans of specific B10 schools and worship the conference every autumn Saturday.

(01-06-2020 09:32 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  The B12 will not exist in its current format in 5 years. We'll be playing with the likes of WVU, Iowa State and Kansas State by or before 2025.

Based upon what? Kansas State, OK State, and the TX leftovers will not be left behind. The politicians will not allow that. That's how those TX leftovers got their b12 cards punched in the first place. Second, the deals with those GORs tend to expire on staggered schedules iirc. The timing becomes very problematic. if anything i'm wondering if there is any money left for the p5 when it comes time to renew. Every article about the pac12 is about how poorly the network is doing. Haven't seen any really great news about the acc network yet. i barely remembered the longhorn network existed. the b10 and the sec are doing well but they may be the only ones. Honestly, i don't see any movement anytime soon barring a death penalty sentence to some p5 that would get them dropped. And given what happened at unc, Kansas, AZ, baylor and Louisville, i don't know what a school would have to do to get the death penalty short of actual serial murder.

So I studied the great Bearcatmark adjusted stats for Kenpom, Sagarin, and RPI while applying the WAR strategy for picking bowl game winners. And I absolutely killed it!!! Pass the sugar boys, as I only missed 6 of the 40 bowl games!!! We each put in $1,000, and winner takes all of the $28,000 pool.

Or maybe I won something closer to $ 85. But it was still fun!

(01-06-2020 09:53 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  So I studied the great Bearcatmark adjusted stats for Kenpom, Sagarin, and RPI while applying the WAR strategy for picking bowl game winners. And I absolutely killed it!!! Pass the sugar boys, as I only missed 6 of the 40 bowl games!!! We each put in $1,000, and winner takes all of the $28,000 pool.

Or maybe I won something closer to $ 85. But it was still fun!

$1,000? Is that all?

Why didn't you send some of that to Oh No! in a gift card for Christmas?

Miami's season basically just ended on a bad snap...brutal

Who make Miami calls?

Really stupid passes, then a run and then a bad snap at the 2 yard line.

(01-06-2020 10:34 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Who make Miami calls?

Really stupid passes, then a run and then a bad snap at the 2 yard line.

CRYAMI

Great way to finish a good college football season

(01-06-2020 10:37 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(01-06-2020 10:34 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Who make Miami calls?

Really stupid passes, then a run and then a bad snap at the 2 yard line.

CRYAMI

Great way to finish a good college football season

Martin still has never beaten an FBS team outside of the MAC.

(01-06-2020 11:01 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(01-06-2020 10:37 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(01-06-2020 10:34 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Who make Miami calls?

Really stupid passes, then a run and then a bad snap at the 2 yard line.

CRYAMI

Great way to finish a good college football season

Martin still has never beaten an FBS team outside of the MAC.

Bolded, amazing. In those games Martin seems to have a knack for making really poor decisions at crucial times. At some point, one has to wonder if that stuff gets in the players' heads and they actually expect to fail. And the results reinforce that expectation every time.

(01-06-2020 11:01 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(01-06-2020 10:37 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  

(01-06-2020 10:34 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Who make Miami calls?

Really stupid passes, then a run and then a bad snap at the 2 yard line.

CRYAMI

Great way to finish a good college football season

Martin still has never beaten an FBS team outside of the MAC.

Their last win over an FBS team outside the MAC was October 8, 2011 when they beat a 3-9 Army team 35-28.

Martin's first year in Oxford was 2014. In 2012 they beat FCS Southern Illinois for their only OOC win. In 2013 they lost to UC, UK, Marshall and Illinois.