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Franklin Graham’s brand of hypocritical, politically drunken evangelism is a prime reason Millennials are turning away from organized religion in record numbers.
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(12-21-2019 11:56 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Franklin Graham’s brand of hypocritical, politically drunken evangelism is a prime reason Millennials are turning away from organized religion in record numbers.

Millennials are turning away from organized religion in record numbers because they don't like being corrected when they are wrong. Refusal to hear constructive criticism is the essence of ignorance.
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(12-21-2019 11:56 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Franklin Graham’s brand of hypocritical, politically drunken evangelism is a prime reason Millennials are turning away from organized religion in record numbers.

it's scary how you and too many others are whiffing the macro point....

I'm an atheist from the youngest of age....I suggest you read thru JR's post(s)...

this isn't a whether there's a god, jesus, or hey-zues or not thread....

good luck to ya....
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(12-21-2019 10:44 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  
(12-19-2019 09:53 PM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  So no more separation of church and state? 07-coffee3


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There never has been by evangelicals. They're all about theocracy, not freedom and tolerance.

which means what? in context?....you need to read JR's posits as well....

this is why donks that embrace atheism as a 'rite of passage' are fk'n clueless....

ewe's really don't understand the concept of best method within coexistence....
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(12-21-2019 11:56 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Franklin Graham’s brand of hypocritical, politically drunken evangelism is a prime reason Millennials are turning away from organized religion in record numbers.

Democrats need Jesus
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(12-21-2019 11:56 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Franklin Graham’s brand of hypocritical, politically drunken evangelism is a prime reason Millennials are turning away from organized religion in record numbers.

Democrats need to meet Jesus

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(12-21-2019 11:56 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Franklin Graham’s brand of hypocritical, politically drunken evangelism is a prime reason Millennials are turning away from organized religion in record numbers.

Millennials are turning away from organized religion in record numbers because they don't like being corrected when they are wrong. Refusal to hear constructive criticism is the essence of ignorance.
It's more that the modern church is full of hypocritical, inauthentic garbage. Your average Christian would spend $2000 for a week-long "mission trip" to a Costa Rican resort, where they spend a day helping build a house and the rest "building fellowship" by some pool, then on the drive back home from the airport lock their door when they drive by a bum begging for change. Create a church based around Christ's teachings and providing positive direction for the congregation and community rather than one that's a social club with a Sunday morning praise music concert and you'll see some change. Or not. Maybe the damage has already been done and the next generation should be looked to instead.
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Trump needs to start his own church... like Henry VIII. Franklin Graham can be the pastor.
They’d make bank.
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(12-21-2019 07:37 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Trump needs to start his own church... like Henry VIII. Franklin Graham can be the pastor.
They’d make bank.

Franklin Graham runs Samaritans purse. He and Trump could probably build the best hospital ever for those infected with TDS and chronic butthurt.
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(12-21-2019 12:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-21-2019 11:56 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Franklin Graham’s brand of hypocritical, politically drunken evangelism is a prime reason Millennials are turning away from organized religion in record numbers.

Millennials are turning away from organized religion in record numbers because they don't like being corrected when they are wrong. Refusal to hear constructive criticism is the essence of ignorance.
It's more that the modern church is full of hypocritical, inauthentic garbage. Your average Christian would spend $2000 for a week-long "mission trip" to a Costa Rican resort, where they spend a day helping build a house and the rest "building fellowship" by some pool, then on the drive back home from the airport lock their door when they drive by a bum begging for change. Create a church based around Christ's teachings and providing positive direction for the congregation and community rather than one that's a social club with a Sunday morning praise music concert and you'll see some change. Or not. Maybe the damage has already been done and the next generation should be looked to instead.

Maybe so but at least they're trying to improve someone's life. It's not your mission to criticize, that belongs to God. Jesus will do the criticizing at our demise and He certainly won't be listening to your preaching. What's that verse about the log and the eye?
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The greatest failing of man is to judge god by the acts of men.
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(12-21-2019 11:42 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  
(12-21-2019 06:31 PM)Mav Wrote:  
(12-21-2019 12:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-21-2019 11:56 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Franklin Graham’s brand of hypocritical, politically drunken evangelism is a prime reason Millennials are turning away from organized religion in record numbers.

Millennials are turning away from organized religion in record numbers because they don't like being corrected when they are wrong. Refusal to hear constructive criticism is the essence of ignorance.
It's more that the modern church is full of hypocritical, inauthentic garbage. Your average Christian would spend $2000 for a week-long "mission trip" to a Costa Rican resort, where they spend a day helping build a house and the rest "building fellowship" by some pool, then on the drive back home from the airport lock their door when they drive by a bum begging for change. Create a church based around Christ's teachings and providing positive direction for the congregation and community rather than one that's a social club with a Sunday morning praise music concert and you'll see some change. Or not. Maybe the damage has already been done and the next generation should be looked to instead.

Maybe so but at least they're trying to improve someone's life. It's not your mission to criticize, that belongs to God. Jesus will do the criticizing at our demise and He certainly won't be listening to your preaching. What's that verse about the log and the eye?

I'll continue to say this until I become ashes.....it's fair to argue politics to ad nauseam (unless at a bar or thanksgiving dinner 03-wink )...however, (and you know where my 'faith' is aligned) I'll never understand why anyone with >1 brain cell would argue against the ability for one to choose their path in faith as best method vs. any directive in governed controlled isolationism...

what you defined above, is easily my fave how/why our founders understood en macro by separating 'church and state', it provided a better opportunity for the masses moving forward to successfully develop and thrive in the final undiscovered 'land mass' that mattered....they understood history and how every single isolated governed control mechanism - from the church to the tribal and dictatorial - influenced how mankind had evolved up to that point....

IMO, that is the REAL genius behind what has driven the success of the U.S. to this day....

it's not lack of religion that is the root cause of today's divisiveness....it's the influence of technology and instantaneous communication that drives that bus.....what's been most unfortunate in progressive legislation post civil war, is easily due to such....once the 'word' is transferred at the speed o' light, it's pandora's snatch waiting to destroy constitutional law via any means possible to gain control of the narrative...

muh fk'n polls....what a fk'n joke festival any and all of that bs is in context via msm propaganda based on an agenda...

the result of that is we now have too many judges that have/now legislate from the bench and wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to many politicians w/o the ability to keep up or choose to embed themselves in the continual version of political corruption....

that's why I'm hard core in favor of term limits across the fk'n board.....fk the lobbyists, fk the PACs, fk the lawyers, fk the corps, fk the torts.....fk 'em all....

it's hardly a coincidence that "we the people" does NOT define a democracy by rule, but how a democratic platform based on law gave this republic a better chance to survive and thrive more than any other version of theory by rule that preceded such....that's the REAL beauty of the thought processes our Founders took into affect that went into developing OUR amendable constitution, bill of rights, and system of governance...

where are we at today????????????? well, all one has to do is open their 'squint' to acknowledge the witness how all this is continually and exponentially dissolving as gears continue to 'tick-tock'...it's akin to why the French Revolution was an utter disaster.....people that forget history and embrace their self importance as 'gospel' w/o understanding how the boat found the dock w/o running aground, have already lost the battle before it begins...

IMO, if there's one item that carries the utmost relevance and weight why #henceDJT was the gift of gifts to our country and why sig lines 1b) vs. 1c) were penned, it would be all of the above (and then some)...

when it comes to overseeing and maintaining an empire, I couldn't give two motherfucks about any version of ambivalent religion/faith as long as it's non-violent, or a popularity contest to determine best method...both are petty and mutually exclusive relative in logic...

as an atheist born into this republic reared in the catholic doctrine, I respect and find it fortunate to all and every individual to be afforded the freedom and ability to chose their version of 'faith' (again, excluding violence in methodology...hence, laws)...

therefore, when it comes to personal faith, I choose to not lower myself to the perspective of, "my way, or the highway".....unfortunately, there's a ****-ton of others that don't share that perspective...and to top it off, there's plenty of the global populous that will simply slice your throat w/o giving a thought in the name of their Allah that are attempting to infiltrate this great country with their platitudes of lifetime control thru violence...yet, there's a growing faction that calls it racist to defend and disavow such beginning with lobbying for open borders and abandoning the concept of legal immigration by law......that's beyond intellectually dishonest and fk'd up in any capacity of ethical resolve....

the founders were well educated and master historians.....by contrast, today's version of legislators are pandering self serving basterds that are point blank clueless how to the largest and most wasteful conglomerate in the world....

thank you Donald John Trump for stirring every single pot that needed to be churned by the first quarter of the 21st century....

/weary potty mouth'd rant... 03-wink
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(12-22-2019 03:25 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(12-21-2019 11:42 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  
(12-21-2019 06:31 PM)Mav Wrote:  
(12-21-2019 12:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-21-2019 11:56 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Franklin Graham’s brand of hypocritical, politically drunken evangelism is a prime reason Millennials are turning away from organized religion in record numbers.

Millennials are turning away from organized religion in record numbers because they don't like being corrected when they are wrong. Refusal to hear constructive criticism is the essence of ignorance.
It's more that the modern church is full of hypocritical, inauthentic garbage. Your average Christian would spend $2000 for a week-long "mission trip" to a Costa Rican resort, where they spend a day helping build a house and the rest "building fellowship" by some pool, then on the drive back home from the airport lock their door when they drive by a bum begging for change. Create a church based around Christ's teachings and providing positive direction for the congregation and community rather than one that's a social club with a Sunday morning praise music concert and you'll see some change. Or not. Maybe the damage has already been done and the next generation should be looked to instead.

Maybe so but at least they're trying to improve someone's life. It's not your mission to criticize, that belongs to God. Jesus will do the criticizing at our demise and He certainly won't be listening to your preaching. What's that verse about the log and the eye?

I'll continue to say this until I become ashes.....it's fair to argue politics to ad nauseam (unless at a bar or thanksgiving dinner 03-wink )...however, (and you know where my 'faith' is aligned) I'll never understand why anyone with >1 brain cell would argue against the ability for one to choose their path in faith as best method vs. any directive in governed controlled isolationism...

what you defined above, is easily my fave how/why our founders understood en macro by separating 'church and state', it provided a better opportunity for the masses moving forward to successfully develop and thrive in the final undiscovered 'land mass' that mattered....they understood history and how every single isolated governed control mechanism - from the church to the tribal and dictatorial - influenced how mankind had evolved up to that point....

IMO, that is the REAL genius behind what has driven the success of the U.S. to this day....

it's not lack of religion that is the root cause of today's divisiveness....it's the influence of technology and instantaneous communication that drives that bus.....what's been most unfortunate in progressive legislation post civil war, is easily due to such....once the 'word' is transferred at the speed o' light, it's pandora's snatch waiting to destroy constitutional law via any means possible to gain control of the narrative...

muh fk'n polls....what a fk'n joke festival any and all of that bs is in context via msm propaganda based on an agenda...

the result of that is we now have too many judges that have/now legislate from the bench and wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to many politicians w/o the ability to keep up or choose to embed themselves in the continual version of political corruption....

that's why I'm hard core in favor of term limits across the fk'n board.....fk the lobbyists, fk the PACs, fk the lawyers, fk the corps, fk the torts.....fk 'em all....

it's hardly a coincidence that "we the people" does NOT define a democracy by rule, but how a democratic platform based on law gave this republic a better chance to survive and thrive more than any other version of theory by rule that preceded such....that's the REAL beauty of the thought processes our Founders took into affect that went into developing OUR amendable constitution, bill of rights, and system of governance...

where are we at today????????????? well, all one has to do is open their 'squint' to acknowledge the witness how all this is continually and exponentially dissolving as gears continue to 'tick-tock'...it's akin to why the French Revolution was an utter disaster.....people that forget history and embrace their self importance as 'gospel' w/o understanding how the boat found the dock w/o running aground, have already lost the battle before it begins...

IMO, if there's one item that carries the utmost relevance and weight why #henceDJT was the gift of gifts to our country and why sig lines 1b) vs. 1c) were penned, it would be all of the above (and then some)...

when it comes to overseeing and maintaining an empire, I couldn't give two motherfucks about any version of ambivalent religion/faith as long as it's non-violent, or a popularity contest to determine best method...both are petty and mutually exclusive relative in logic...

as an atheist born into this republic reared in the catholic doctrine, I respect and find it fortunate to all and every individual to be afforded the freedom and ability to chose their version of 'faith' (again, excluding violence in methodology...hence, laws)...

therefore, when it comes to personal faith, I choose to not lower myself to the perspective of, "my way, or the highway".....unfortunately, there's a ****-ton of others that don't share that perspective...and to top it off, there's plenty of the global populous that will simply slice your throat w/o giving a thought in the name of their Allah that are attempting to infiltrate this great country with their platitudes of lifetime control thru violence...yet, there's a growing faction that calls it racist to defend and disavow such beginning with lobbying for open borders and abandoning the concept of legal immigration by law......that's beyond intellectually dishonest and fk'd up in any capacity of ethical resolve....

the founders were well educated and master historians.....by contrast, today's version of legislators are pandering self serving basterds that are point blank clueless how to the largest and most wasteful conglomerate in the world....

thank you Donald John Trump for stirring every single pot that needed to be churned by the first quarter of the 21st century....

/weary potty mouth'd rant... 03-wink

Solid rant Stink!

As to why so many who profess faith want everyone to think their way, well that my friend is the statement of the lack of their faith. They are insecure and only feel good about God if everyone says there is one and there is a formula to worship so like a spell to a witch if everyone says the right words the right way the magic happens.

That's the most pitiful display of a lack of faith and the most superstitious and works righteous surrogate for real faith that there can be.

Real faith requires no proof, is undeterred by what other people think and is secure in what is personally believed, and embraces and acts upon it believes to be true, all the while realizing that it can only be answerable to itself. In that regard faith and action are the byproducts of a secure individual and they grasp that all they can do for another is to tell them the truth about why they do believe and to do so with the humility that doesn't expect conformity, but appreciates and respects the other person's authentic individual response.

The greatest abuse of faith, particularly Christianity, is for one believer to force the same response from others while knowing that God made us all unique. God wants our love and faithfulness, but in ways as unique and personal as he created us. So compelling others to respond a particular way with particular words in a particular manner is about as alien an expression of faith in the creator as there can be and it is that insistence that reflects the insecurity, not faith, of man, and turns an act of grace into a compulsory act best described as a work.

With regard to religion it doesn't matter if a man thinks we are saved. It only matters that God knows we are.

Now when it reaches a point where another man, any man, says believe as I do or die, well that is the opposite of God, and the embodiment of evil.

Where we loose all perspective is by calling for tolerance of all religion while ignoring the threat that a self proclaimed intolerant religion brings to us all. At that point the state, while trying to prove its tolerance, ignores its organizing principle which is the protection of its own people.

We are a nation of laws and an aspect of that law is tolerance. Therefore the insistence that we allow intolerant people in is wholly contrary to our philosophy and our wellbeing. Therefore an orderly, investigative immigration process restrained by walls and guardians is essential to remaining free and secure. Anyone opposed to this reasonable and precautious approach is not an advocate for the safety of our people.
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(12-21-2019 07:37 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Trump needs to start his own church...

He pretty much has. Plenty of sheeples have joined.
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A prominent evangelical supporter of President Trump exchanged a heated back-and-forth with CNN host Chris Cuomo amid the fallout of Christianity Today calling for Trump's removal.

Author Eric Metaxas, 56, explained to Cuomo on Friday his rationale for supporting Trump despite his character flaws. After listing some of Trump's sins and inappropriate comments, Cuomo asked, "You back someday, as a person of faith, who says all of them — how?"

Explaining by way of analogy, Metaxas said, "Well, it’s like my pilot has tattoos, and he’s on his fourth wife, but he’s an amazing pilot. I would prefer a pilot who has been married for 30 years to the same woman. Sometimes things are complicated, and I think that in this day and age, we’ve had such a dramatic choice."

Metaxas went on to claim that while evangelicals faced "a tough choice" at the ballot box in 2016, the prospect of a Hillary Clinton presidency was untenable. "It was a tough choice for everybody," he said. "So you had to think hard about what matters. And I think that given the track record of Hillary Clinton, a lot of people, like myself, were scared to death at the thought of a Clinton presidency."

"Something happened to the Democratic Party over the last 30 years," Metaxas continued. "It’s not the party that we grew up with, it’s not the party that it was in FDR’s day. It has gone so far Left that, in a way, if you want somebody who let’s say respects the Constitution and is going to appoint originalist judges — not conservative judges — originalist judges who will call balls and strikes, at that point, your only hope is to have a president with the GOP. Now that's a serious issue."

Cuomo countered by bringing up evangelical opposition to President Bill Clinton because of his character and questioned whether Christians now support any politician who can forward their agenda. "If you make it that transactional," Metaxas responded, "I think fundamentally you're making a mistake."

Self-interest always plays a part in choosing a candidate, Metaxas condeded, but he maintained, "Somebody who really cares about America doesn't just vote self-interest. He votes what's good for America." He then offered religious liberty as a concept key to American democracy. "In a country that no longer prizes religious liberty, you begin to lose all your liberties."

Their conversation then pivoted to the cultural battles swirling around religious liberty, sexuality, and abortion, during which both men accused the other of engaging in "sophistry." Metaxas also brought up the controversial Reproductive Health Act signed into New York law January by Cuomo's brother, Democratic New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo.

Toward the end of their discussion, Cuomo eventually asked Metaxas, "Why get behind a man who makes a mockery of your faith?" to which the author responded, "Most people that I know do not think he makes a mockery of our faith."

The debate took place in the wake of the furor stoked by the evangelical magazine Christianity Today, which called Trump "grossly immoral" and demanded his removal. Evangelist Franklin Graham, whose father Billy Graham founded the publication in 1956, slammed its position as "unfathomable."

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Cuomo the Catholic supports abortion and Antifa, what’s his explanation for that?

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(12-22-2019 03:25 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(12-21-2019 11:42 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  
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(12-21-2019 12:06 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-21-2019 11:56 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Franklin Graham’s brand of hypocritical, politically drunken evangelism is a prime reason Millennials are turning away from organized religion in record numbers.

Millennials are turning away from organized religion in record numbers because they don't like being corrected when they are wrong. Refusal to hear constructive criticism is the essence of ignorance.
It's more that the modern church is full of hypocritical, inauthentic garbage. Your average Christian would spend $2000 for a week-long "mission trip" to a Costa Rican resort, where they spend a day helping build a house and the rest "building fellowship" by some pool, then on the drive back home from the airport lock their door when they drive by a bum begging for change. Create a church based around Christ's teachings and providing positive direction for the congregation and community rather than one that's a social club with a Sunday morning praise music concert and you'll see some change. Or not. Maybe the damage has already been done and the next generation should be looked to instead.

Maybe so but at least they're trying to improve someone's life. It's not your mission to criticize, that belongs to God. Jesus will do the criticizing at our demise and He certainly won't be listening to your preaching. What's that verse about the log and the eye?

I'll continue to say this until I become ashes.....it's fair to argue politics to ad nauseam (unless at a bar or thanksgiving dinner 03-wink )...however, (and you know where my 'faith' is aligned) I'll never understand why anyone with >1 brain cell would argue against the ability for one to choose their path in faith as best method vs. any directive in governed controlled isolationism...

what you defined above, is easily my fave how/why our founders understood en macro by separating 'church and state', it provided a better opportunity for the masses moving forward to successfully develop and thrive in the final undiscovered 'land mass' that mattered....they understood history and how every single isolated governed control mechanism - from the church to the tribal and dictatorial - influenced how mankind had evolved up to that point....

IMO, that is the REAL genius behind what has driven the success of the U.S. to this day....

it's not lack of religion that is the root cause of today's divisiveness....it's the influence of technology and instantaneous communication that drives that bus.....what's been most unfortunate in progressive legislation post civil war, is easily due to such....once the 'word' is transferred at the speed o' light, it's pandora's snatch waiting to destroy constitutional law via any means possible to gain control of the narrative...

muh fk'n polls....what a fk'n joke festival any and all of that bs is in context via msm propaganda based on an agenda...

the result of that is we now have too many judges that have/now legislate from the bench and wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy to many politicians w/o the ability to keep up or choose to embed themselves in the continual version of political corruption....

that's why I'm hard core in favor of term limits across the fk'n board.....fk the lobbyists, fk the PACs, fk the lawyers, fk the corps, fk the torts.....fk 'em all....

it's hardly a coincidence that "we the people" does NOT define a democracy by rule, but how a democratic platform based on law gave this republic a better chance to survive and thrive more than any other version of theory by rule that preceded such....that's the REAL beauty of the thought processes our Founders took into affect that went into developing OUR amendable constitution, bill of rights, and system of governance...

where are we at today????????????? well, all one has to do is open their 'squint' to acknowledge the witness how all this is continually and exponentially dissolving as gears continue to 'tick-tock'...it's akin to why the French Revolution was an utter disaster.....people that forget history and embrace their self importance as 'gospel' w/o understanding how the boat found the dock w/o running aground, have already lost the battle before it begins...

IMO, if there's one item that carries the utmost relevance and weight why #henceDJT was the gift of gifts to our country and why sig lines 1b) vs. 1c) were penned, it would be all of the above (and then some)...

when it comes to overseeing and maintaining an empire, I couldn't give two motherfucks about any version of ambivalent religion/faith as long as it's non-violent, or a popularity contest to determine best method...both are petty and mutually exclusive relative in logic...

as an atheist born into this republic reared in the catholic doctrine, I respect and find it fortunate to all and every individual to be afforded the freedom and ability to chose their version of 'faith' (again, excluding violence in methodology...hence, laws)...

therefore, when it comes to personal faith, I choose to not lower myself to the perspective of, "my way, or the highway".....unfortunately, there's a ****-ton of others that don't share that perspective...and to top it off, there's plenty of the global populous that will simply slice your throat w/o giving a thought in the name of their Allah that are attempting to infiltrate this great country with their platitudes of lifetime control thru violence...yet, there's a growing faction that calls it racist to defend and disavow such beginning with lobbying for open borders and abandoning the concept of legal immigration by law......that's beyond intellectually dishonest and fk'd up in any capacity of ethical resolve....

the founders were well educated and master historians.....by contrast, today's version of legislators are pandering self serving basterds that are point blank clueless how to the largest and most wasteful conglomerate in the world....

thank you Donald John Trump for stirring every single pot that needed to be churned by the first quarter of the 21st century....

/weary potty mouth'd rant... 03-wink

The last part was worth the +3
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RE: Evangelical publication calls for Trump's removal from office
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Christianity Today editor Mark Galli said Sunday that his call for evangelical Christians to support impeachment was “hyperbole,” and he admitted “the pro-life issue is just one of many” where President Donald Trump is in sync with evangelicals.

“In one sense my call for his removal was on the order of hyperbole in this regard: the odds of that happening by election or by the Senate are actually probably fairly slim at this point,” Galli told CBS News’ “Face the Nation,” admitting later, “I don’t have a strategy” and telling journalists, “You guys figure that out.”

Galli’s editorial last week, in a magazine that was founded by evangelist Billy Graham, engendered both anger and disbelief with a faith group that solidly supports the Trump presidency. Franklin Graham not only criticized Galli’s opinion but declared that his father had voted for Trump.

“What I’m really arguing in the piece fundamentally is that the president is unfit for office,” Galli’s said Sunday. “Now, that may be a distinction without a difference, but the point is, and I’m not really speaking politically. I’m not making a political judgment, because that’s not our expertise at Christianity Today. I am making a moral judgment that he’s morally unfit … ”

But Galli then said he wasn’t judging Trump for his personal morality but his public morality. “None of us are perfect. We’re not looking for saints. We do have private sins, ongoing patterns of behavior that reveal themselves in our private life that we’re all trying to work on. But a president has certain responsibilities as a public figure to display a certain level of public character and public morality and the point of my argument is not to judge him as a person in the eyes of God. That’s not my job.”

Then the editor agreed that Trump is promoting a number of issues that appeal to Christians and acknowledged this is probably why so many of them support his presidency.

“Yeah, I think the pro-life issue is just one of many. Religious freedom for Christians overseas especially would be another. You know, there have been books written about what’s going on with the conservative evangelical support of Trump, so that’s not something we can get into here,” Galli explained, before getting back what he said his objection to Trump was not about: his personal morality. “This man’s character is deeply, deeply concerning to us, and in my judgment has crossed a line and I no longer think he’s fit to lead the United States of America. I don’t say that politically.”

Galli was asked who evangelicals should cast their presidential ballot for “if there is no other Republican running on these platform issues? President Trump is the only person on these issues you have laid out as so key to your community, some Republicans just find it an impossible alternative to vote for a Democrat.”

“No, I grant that. I grant that,” Galli responded. “I’m saying what I think. And the only person I represent is me and maybe my magazine. Not for that much longer since I’m retiring in a few days … I don’t have a strategy. I’m not a political person. The questions you were asking people on your show, you guys are amazing how much stuff you know about … You guys figure that out.”

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I read the full 'retraction". It is a mish-mosh of unintelligible incomprehensible words that wander all over the place and make zero sense.

He really didn't mean Trump needed to be impeached, that was just hyperbole, but since "the odds of that happening by election or the Senate are actually probably fairly slim at this time" that is why he was calling for impeachment(????). Trump is supported by evangelicals because he stands against abortion and supports Israel, but his public behavior makes him unfit for office(????). But he calls that a "distinction without a difference"(????).

Then he goes on to say that he is not speaking politically and he is not making a political judgment because "that is not our expertise at Christianity Today. I am making a moral judgment that he is morally unfit...". Then he say that "he isn't judging Trump's private morals, only his public morals(????) because judging people is not what he is called to do. It "isn't his job to judge him as a person in the eyes of God."

Then he tells the reporter it is up to the people in the media to "figure that out".

Sheer insanity.

Guess a record number of subscription cancellations will do that.
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