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RE: ODU vs Richmond
(12-19-2019 02:05 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
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(12-19-2019 11:26 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  So, I actually think JJ coached a really good game last night. We had no business being in that game, but I thought his coaching gave us a chance.

With that said, I really wish he was not so "old school" at times. The number of mid-range jump shots we take makes my eyes bleed. I can't believe we run so many sets where that seems to be the goal. Also, it's 2019, was there any thought given to the idea of potentially going 2-for-1 at the end. We had the ball with 50 seconds to go. A quick set might get us two possessions instead of one that resulted in Oliver tripping and throwing something at the rim.

On that note, another thing that drove me mad last night is that we did not once try to attack their press. We let them do exactly what they wanted to do, eat up 15 seconds before we could get into our offensive sets.

I was more bothered by the fact that we didn't try to post Green up a single time when he was being guarded by Gilyard or Francis.

Posting up is a pretty ineffecient shot, but Im assuming that is not something Green does often (cant remember him posting up anyone).

Tell valdas vasylius that nerd. Lol
12-19-2019 08:44 PM
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Didn’t get the win but had our chances - and a much better performance than most expected. This team is rising. Could potentially be something special when it comes time for the CUSAT. Which is currently the only path to the dance in CUSA. I expect us to start racking up the wins - although I realize our next game against UMES should be a walk-through.
12-19-2019 09:03 PM
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RE: ODU vs Richmond
(12-19-2019 03:04 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
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(12-19-2019 02:05 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Posting up is a pretty ineffecient shot, but Im assuming that is not something Green does often (cant remember him posting up anyone).

That's the problem with all your stats. WE CAN"T SHOOT THE THREE.We are terrible at that. So stop taking them I say. Of course we can't shoot inside either, so we are screwed. Trey Freeman was might good at the mid-range game, I'd take another one like that.

Or thats the exact reason why it's not a problem. If Green is at 0.75 points per "post up attempt," its a bad shot.

How many of those previous post up attempts were against a player 6' or shorter? If it's not in his arsenal or skillset, that's unfortunate. But all year the coaches knew about these little guards, and there was no thought on posting them up? I think that's just part of the frustration, that we aren't able to expose an obvious weakness.

Thats the question. How much experience does he have doing it? How good is he at doing it? Just because he's taller doesn't mean he can efficiently score against shorter players. Even big players aren't really efficient at posting up.

Some post players are very good at posting up....but its rare.

ODU has had several "big players" that were efficient at posting up. Washington, West, Gattison, Gattling, Hodge, Lee, and Hassell to name a few.
12-19-2019 10:44 PM
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RE: ODU vs Richmond
(12-19-2019 10:44 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(12-19-2019 03:04 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-19-2019 03:01 PM)odu09 Wrote:  
(12-19-2019 02:55 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-19-2019 02:52 PM)mac Wrote:  That's the problem with all your stats. WE CAN"T SHOOT THE THREE.We are terrible at that. So stop taking them I say. Of course we can't shoot inside either, so we are screwed. Trey Freeman was might good at the mid-range game, I'd take another one like that.

Or thats the exact reason why it's not a problem. If Green is at 0.75 points per "post up attempt," its a bad shot.

How many of those previous post up attempts were against a player 6' or shorter? If it's not in his arsenal or skillset, that's unfortunate. But all year the coaches knew about these little guards, and there was no thought on posting them up? I think that's just part of the frustration, that we aren't able to expose an obvious weakness.

Thats the question. How much experience does he have doing it? How good is he at doing it? Just because he's taller doesn't mean he can efficiently score against shorter players. Even big players aren't really efficient at posting up.

Some post players are very good at posting up....but its rare.

ODU has had several "big players" that were efficient at posting up. Washington, West, Gattison, Gattling, Hodge, Lee, and Hassell to name a few.

What were their points per post up opportunity?
12-19-2019 10:48 PM
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3 point shooters who consistently miss aren't very efficient either.

After watching Golden the other night, I'd take his inefficiency any day of the week
12-20-2019 07:16 AM
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Golden is a very good player. He's not strictly a post up player either, he does a lot of things well offensively.
12-20-2019 09:49 AM
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(12-20-2019 09:49 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Golden is a very good player. He's not strictly a post up player either, he does a lot of things well offensively.

Like shoot game winning 3s
12-20-2019 10:46 AM
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RE: ODU vs Richmond
(12-19-2019 10:48 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-19-2019 10:44 PM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  
(12-19-2019 03:04 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-19-2019 03:01 PM)odu09 Wrote:  
(12-19-2019 02:55 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Or thats the exact reason why it's not a problem. If Green is at 0.75 points per "post up attempt," its a bad shot.

How many of those previous post up attempts were against a player 6' or shorter? If it's not in his arsenal or skillset, that's unfortunate. But all year the coaches knew about these little guards, and there was no thought on posting them up? I think that's just part of the frustration, that we aren't able to expose an obvious weakness.

Thats the question. How much experience does he have doing it? How good is he at doing it? Just because he's taller doesn't mean he can efficiently score against shorter players. Even big players aren't really efficient at posting up.

Some post players are very good at posting up....but its rare.

ODU has had several "big players" that were efficient at posting up. Washington, West, Gattison, Gattling, Hodge, Lee, and Hassell to name a few.

What were their points per post up opportunity?

The BIGS you mention, were not recruited by JJ. Most of the big men were freshman recruits, in lieu of transfers (that JJ can only get).
12-21-2019 02:34 PM
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Shouldn't we realistically be able to expect JJ to be able to recruit a player like Golden every few years?
12-21-2019 02:50 PM
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