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RE: MWC TV deal with Fox Sports and CBS
(01-11-2020 04:13 AM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  still dont see how a deal that nets teams $3-$4 million a year less than their perceived closest competitor erases all talk of potential MWC defection to the AAC. Especially considering requisite renegotiating of the AAC's contract such a defection would cause.

Just one train of thought, the MWC Deal definately makes them the #2 dog in the G5. A two million dollar difference between conferences is easier and not as devastating as a 30-50 million dollar. ESPN may want to keep the G5 alive and well.

It will be interesting to see what impact the ACC network actually makes. As well as the ESPN+ for the B12. At least everything appears to be settled for the next 3-4 Only CUSA was the conference to come out worse than they were before.

As long as bowl games keeping drawing audiences, ESPN will try to keep them alive. Personally my bowl days are behind me, only reason I was spoiled to remember when bowl games actually meant things to fans and players. Not saying it is bad, just the times have changed the meaning for me of a bowl game.
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(01-10-2020 04:21 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(01-10-2020 04:15 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-10-2020 04:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-10-2020 04:11 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(01-10-2020 04:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  where do you get your last thing? Thought that was in perpetuity?

From the transcript of the conference call.
“ That is the whole membership agreement was discussed in December with the board of directors, and as we move forward, that is the anticipation, that everybody's membership agreements would get more germane and equal, if you will. But this will be the last Boise State separate negotiation for television rights.“

Is Boise going to see that the same way?

Well presumably he wouldn't have said the last sentence if Boise wasn't on board with it.

Still, not sure how meaningful this is. Boise could change their mind by 2025.

Boise doesn’t seem to have a choice, the whole membership decided this was enough. Boise has softened over the year’s because the Bonus never worked as thought. As more members became upset BSU leverage decreased and it seems that the membership finally had enough to say to Boise this is last of the special deal.
That's not true at all. Boise is still getting more money during the next media negotiations. They just won't do a seperate deal. The thinking being that the negotiations with Boise as a part of the conference would of netted the whole conference a better overall figure. Boise State apparently agreed. There is a reason this took so long. Also, Hawaii is looking at a raise is July which means even more cash for the MWC schools. That's also when the MWC will announce all of the their tier rights partners.
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(01-11-2020 12:28 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  
(01-11-2020 04:13 AM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  still dont see how a deal that nets teams $3-$4 million a year less than their perceived closest competitor erases all talk of potential MWC defection to the AAC. Especially considering requisite renegotiating of the AAC's contract such a defection would cause.

Just one train of thought, the MWC Deal definately makes them the #2 dog in the G5. A two million dollar difference between conferences is easier and not as devastating as a 30-50 million dollar. ESPN may want to keep the G5 alive and well.

It will be interesting to see what impact the ACC network actually makes. As well as the ESPN+ for the B12. At least everything appears to be settled for the next 3-4 Only CUSA was the conference to come out worse than they were before.

As long as bowl games keeping drawing audiences, ESPN will try to keep them alive. Personally my bowl days are behind me, only reason I was spoiled to remember when bowl games actually meant things to fans and players. Not saying it is bad, just the times have changed the meaning for me of a bowl game.

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(01-10-2020 08:08 AM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  
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(01-09-2020 08:18 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Sounds like a decent deal for MWC.

Really. You thought they could get more.

It's more than a decent deal; it's a great deal and it's a deal that will be revisited in 5 years and not be locked in for 12 years like the AAC.

Being nice, what will the increase be unless the AAC breaks up. I have said this is a leg up on the MWC's last contract, but against the AAC?
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(01-11-2020 04:13 AM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  still dont see how a deal that nets teams $3-$4 million a year less than their perceived closest competitor erases all talk of potential MWC defection to the AAC. Especially considering requisite renegotiating of the AAC's contract such a defection would cause.

There is no talk of MWC defection to the AAC. That is board fantasy talk. For a school like San Diego State, they just got an increase in TV revenue from $1.1 million per year to $3.9 million. Boise State just got an increase from $2.9 million to $5.7 million. This helps a lot and they still have their Tier 3 rights to decide on, which could bring more revenue. Plus, their deal is only for six years. They could end up with two six year deals that are equal to or better than the AAC 12 year deal.

I don't see the MWC in competition with the AAC. The MWC is in a different time zone, a different region of the country. The AAC contract is good for the AAC, that model was not going to work for the MWC. The revenue per school of $7 million per school per year is good. The length of the agreement and being all-in on ESPN would not work for the MWC.

The MWC deal does not need to be dollar-for-dollar with the AAC deal. They just needed a significant increase in revenue and they achieved that. The real question, is it better to be all-in with ESPN or all-out with ESPN? I personally think it is better to be with ESPN, as the AAC is, but I could be wrong. Or it may not matter at all. I am going to be interested to see how that plays out for the MWC.
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(01-13-2020 02:46 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(01-11-2020 04:13 AM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  still dont see how a deal that nets teams $3-$4 million a year less than their perceived closest competitor erases all talk of potential MWC defection to the AAC. Especially considering requisite renegotiating of the AAC's contract such a defection would cause.

There is no talk of MWC defection to the AAC. That is board fantasy talk. For a school like San Diego State, they just got an increase in TV revenue from $1.1 million per year to $3.9 million. Boise State just got an increase from $2.9 million to $5.7 million. This helps a lot and they still have their Tier 3 rights to decide on, which could bring more revenue. Plus, their deal is only for six years. They could end up with two six year deals that are equal to or better than the AAC 12 year deal.

I don't see the MWC in competition with the AAC. The MWC is in a different time zone, a different region of the country. The AAC contract is good for the AAC, that model was not going to work for the MWC. The revenue per school of $7 million per school per year is good. The length of the agreement and being all-in on ESPN would not work for the MWC.

The MWC deal does not need to be dollar-for-dollar with the AAC deal. They just needed a significant increase in revenue and they achieved that. The real question, is it better to be all-in with ESPN or all-out with ESPN? I personally think it is better to be with ESPN, as the AAC is, but I could be wrong. Or it may not matter at all. I am going to be interested to see how that plays out for the MWC.

Yeah BSU would likely be target #1 and movement isn’t likely when Boise’s payout is around 500k or less off of what the AAC likely gets over the life of the MWC contract (shorter term and therefore AAC number has more years of escalating payouts boosting it up)

AAC is ahead but travel cost would eat most of that gap up.
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(01-13-2020 02:46 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(01-11-2020 04:13 AM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  still dont see how a deal that nets teams $3-$4 million a year less than their perceived closest competitor erases all talk of potential MWC defection to the AAC. Especially considering requisite renegotiating of the AAC's contract such a defection would cause.

There is no talk of MWC defection to the AAC. That is board fantasy talk. For a school like San Diego State, they just got an increase in TV revenue from $1.1 million per year to $3.9 million. Boise State just got an increase from $2.9 million to $5.7 million. This helps a lot and they still have their Tier 3 rights to decide on, which could bring more revenue. Plus, their deal is only for six years. They could end up with two six year deals that are equal to or better than the AAC 12 year deal.

I don't see the MWC in competition with the AAC. The MWC is in a different time zone, a different region of the country. The AAC contract is good for the AAC, that model was not going to work for the MWC. The revenue per school of $7 million per school per year is good. The length of the agreement and being all-in on ESPN would not work for the MWC.

The MWC deal does not need to be dollar-for-dollar with the AAC deal. They just needed a significant increase in revenue and they achieved that. The real question, is it better to be all-in with ESPN or all-out with ESPN? I personally think it is better to be with ESPN, as the AAC is, but I could be wrong. Or it may not matter at all. I am going to be interested to see how that plays out for the MWC.

My sense is the MW got increase big enough to largely squash any real financial motivation to move to the AAC. That said, the front range guys---who are looking at 3.9 million a team (as well as earning two thirds of what conference mate Boise gets), might still consider the move as they would almost double their income while really only having an incremental increase in travel costs---if they have another reason for being interested. For instance---if a front range shcool has a desire to be more eastern leaning----then MAYBE they might still make the move to the AAC despite the money difference having been reduced.

That said, I think the chances of a MW school moving to the AAC is very low at this point (as in darn near zero).
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I don't think anybody considers moving to the AAC.

The gaps is $2.5m for the 10 schools for 2020-26. (The 3% per year increase in the AAC deal means they are below the $6.9m in the first 6 years, at it the 7th and above it the final 5 years -- I have a table and it's pretty consistent.) But it's probably less, as ESPN carries with it a production cost of over $1m passed on the the schools of the American. (This basically means the MAC gets almost nothing in return for football broadcasts)

But even so, while $15m over 6 years sounds like a lot, but you have to consider the negative costs. Moving to the American means dropping your Olympics in a crap conference, which will significantly harm gate and donations for Basketball (look at what happened to once ranked Long Beach State and UC Santa Barbara after the Big West lost schools like NMSU, Fresno State and UNLV --- they fell off the radar). But even worse these schools would be walking away from at least a years distribution of the MWC (next year that will be $5-6m counting the TV revenue and Basketball credits), paying an exit fee (I think that is a few $million as well), losing you conference basketball credits, and paying a $5m entry fee.

It would take the better part of a decade to not be underwater. Worse you've thrown away your regional rivals, and traded for schools across the country who are not competing for the same students and likely hold less fan interest. You would be the new UConn of the America, an outlier. And worse you've sacrificed your Basketball and other sports to be that stepchild. For Boise State and their $5.7m per year, you definitely don't come close to breaking even.

All the above assumes the AAC does not lose any schools to the B12 and that the back half of the contract with ESPN is not adjusted downward. But we all know OU, Texas and possibly KU could be leaving the B12, leading them to back fill with very likely the top 2 or 3 American schools (picking 3 for the sake of argument: UCF, Cincy and Houston) dramatically reducing the conferences value, forcing the conference composition clause to kick in.

Everyone in the MWC is well aware of that very reasonable probability. All would certainly want to wait out events to see what transpires before committing to a conference switch. What's more in 2026 the MWC will go back to the table and work another deal and the gap may close further on the back end of the AAC deal.

A basketball add like VCU or Dayton may be more sensible for the American. Although to be honest, why bother? They are likely a 3 bid conference again this year, and given that is probably all the committee is likely to ever give them, why add another mouth? Also they play 20 conference games now, so you have the same inventory for 11 school (110 games) and you'd have with 12 schools for 18 game to have a balanced schedule (108 games). Basically ESPN would have to pay the American more to even consider. And unless I'm mistaken the American appears to be splitting UConn's vacated share, so why give that money to any new Football or Basketball school?

Only if the CCG cannot continue (denied waiver in two years and no rule change on round robin requirement) would the American even consider another school, and that would have to be all sports.

I think Attackcoogs original opinion, that the AAC is not adding anyone for the foreseeable future is probably correct. Oklahoma's conference decision will determine what the next move is. The NCAA will almost certainly extend the waiver, as it's the easiest way to deal with the issue if they do not remove the round robin requirement, since kicking the can down the road causes the least disruption.
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(01-13-2020 03:12 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(01-13-2020 02:46 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(01-11-2020 04:13 AM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  still dont see how a deal that nets teams $3-$4 million a year less than their perceived closest competitor erases all talk of potential MWC defection to the AAC. Especially considering requisite renegotiating of the AAC's contract such a defection would cause.

There is no talk of MWC defection to the AAC. That is board fantasy talk. For a school like San Diego State, they just got an increase in TV revenue from $1.1 million per year to $3.9 million. Boise State just got an increase from $2.9 million to $5.7 million. This helps a lot and they still have their Tier 3 rights to decide on, which could bring more revenue. Plus, their deal is only for six years. They could end up with two six year deals that are equal to or better than the AAC 12 year deal.

I don't see the MWC in competition with the AAC. The MWC is in a different time zone, a different region of the country. The AAC contract is good for the AAC, that model was not going to work for the MWC. The revenue per school of $7 million per school per year is good. The length of the agreement and being all-in on ESPN would not work for the MWC.

The MWC deal does not need to be dollar-for-dollar with the AAC deal. They just needed a significant increase in revenue and they achieved that. The real question, is it better to be all-in with ESPN or all-out with ESPN? I personally think it is better to be with ESPN, as the AAC is, but I could be wrong. Or it may not matter at all. I am going to be interested to see how that plays out for the MWC.

My sense is the MW got increase big enough to largely squash any real financial motivation to move to the AAC. That said, the front range guys---who are looking at 3.9 million a team (as well as earning two thirds of what conference mate Boise gets), might still consider the move as it they would almost double their income while really only having an incremental increase in travel costs. If a front range school has other motivations beyond financial (for instance, a desire to be more eastern leaning), then they might still make the move to the AAC despite the money difference having been reduced.

That said, I think the chances of a MW school moving to the AAC is very low at this point (as in darn near zero).

It does also put a dagger in the P6 narrative for the AAC along with the bowl agreements not taking a step up for the next cycle.

I suppose the next expansion by the AAC could be a grand bargain type deal w/UAB, St. Louis and Dayton to replace UConn's basketball value by committee while pushing down the A10 further.
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(01-13-2020 08:46 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  I don't think anybody considers moving to the AAC.

The gaps is $2.5m for the 10 schools for 2020-26. (The 3% per year increase in the AAC deal means they are below the $6.9m in the first 6 years, at it the 7th and above it the final 5 years -- I have a table and it's pretty consistent.) But it's probably less, as ESPN carries with it a production cost of over $1m passed on the the schools of the American. (This basically means the MAC gets almost nothing in return for football broadcasts)

But even so, while $15m over 6 years sounds like a lot, but you have to consider the negative costs. Moving to the American means dropping your Olympics in a crap conference, which will significantly harm gate and donations for Basketball (look at what happened to once ranked Long Beach State and UC Santa Barbara after the Big West lost schools like NMSU, Fresno State and UNLV --- they fell off the radar). But even worse these schools would be walking away from at least a years distribution of the MWC (next year that will be $5-6m counting the TV revenue and Basketball credits), paying an exit fee (I think that is a few $million as well), losing you conference basketball credits, and paying a $5m entry fee.

It would take the better part of a decade to not be underwater. Worse you've thrown away your regional rivals, and traded for schools across the country who are not competing for the same students and likely hold less fan interest. You would be the new UConn of the America, an outlier. And worse you've sacrificed your Basketball and other sports to be that stepchild. For Boise State and their $5.7m per year, you definitely don't come close to breaking even.

All the above assumes the AAC does not lose any schools to the B12 and that the back half of the contract with ESPN is not adjusted downward. But we all know OU, Texas and possibly KU could be leaving the B12, leading them to back fill with very likely the top 2 or 3 American schools (picking 3 for the sake of argument: UCF, Cincy and Houston) dramatically reducing the conferences value, forcing the conference composition clause to kick in.

Everyone in the MWC is well aware of that very reasonable probability. All would certainly want to wait out events to see what transpires before committing to a conference switch. What's more in 2026 the MWC will go back to the table and work another deal and the gap may close further on the back end of the AAC deal.

A basketball add like VCU or Dayton may be more sensible for the American. Although to be honest, why bother? They are likely a 3 bid conference again this year, and given that is probably all the committee is likely to ever give them, why add another mouth? Also they play 20 conference games now, so you have the same inventory for 11 school (110 games) and you'd have with 12 schools for 18 game to have a balanced schedule (108 games). Basically ESPN would have to pay the American more to even consider. And unless I'm mistaken the American appears to be splitting UConn's vacated share, so why give that money to any new Football or Basketball school?

Only if the CCG cannot continue (denied waiver in two years and no rule change on round robin requirement) would the American even consider another school, and that would have to be all sports.

I think Attackcoogs original opinion, that the AAC is not adding anyone for the foreseeable future is probably correct. Oklahoma's conference decision will determine what the next move is. The NCAA will almost certainly extend the waiver, as it's the easiest way to deal with the issue if they do not remove the round robin requirement, since kicking the can down the road causes the least disruption.

I dont disagree with most of what you said here---but keep in mind that 6.9 million dollar number is just the ESPN revenue. The AAC has the Navy package with CBS-Sports thats probably worth around 5 million and they have another smaller basketball deal thats probably worth a million or two. So, the AAC has a bit more media revenue coming in. The NCAA credit basketball revenue is higher as well.

That said---I tend to think the new MW deal is close enough to the AAC that it pretty much ends the chance that any MW schools heads to the AAC. Thus, given the lack of any obvious eastern replacement options, I still think that AAC football will be an 11 team league for quite some time.
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(01-13-2020 09:19 PM)Kit-Cat Wrote:  
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(01-11-2020 04:13 AM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  still dont see how a deal that nets teams $3-$4 million a year less than their perceived closest competitor erases all talk of potential MWC defection to the AAC. Especially considering requisite renegotiating of the AAC's contract such a defection would cause.

There is no talk of MWC defection to the AAC. That is board fantasy talk. For a school like San Diego State, they just got an increase in TV revenue from $1.1 million per year to $3.9 million. Boise State just got an increase from $2.9 million to $5.7 million. This helps a lot and they still have their Tier 3 rights to decide on, which could bring more revenue. Plus, their deal is only for six years. They could end up with two six year deals that are equal to or better than the AAC 12 year deal.

I don't see the MWC in competition with the AAC. The MWC is in a different time zone, a different region of the country. The AAC contract is good for the AAC, that model was not going to work for the MWC. The revenue per school of $7 million per school per year is good. The length of the agreement and being all-in on ESPN would not work for the MWC.

The MWC deal does not need to be dollar-for-dollar with the AAC deal. They just needed a significant increase in revenue and they achieved that. The real question, is it better to be all-in with ESPN or all-out with ESPN? I personally think it is better to be with ESPN, as the AAC is, but I could be wrong. Or it may not matter at all. I am going to be interested to see how that plays out for the MWC.

My sense is the MW got increase big enough to largely squash any real financial motivation to move to the AAC. That said, the front range guys---who are looking at 3.9 million a team (as well as earning two thirds of what conference mate Boise gets), might still consider the move as it they would almost double their income while really only having an incremental increase in travel costs. If a front range school has other motivations beyond financial (for instance, a desire to be more eastern leaning), then they might still make the move to the AAC despite the money difference having been reduced.

That said, I think the chances of a MW school moving to the AAC is very low at this point (as in darn near zero).

It does also put a dagger in the P6 narrative for the AAC along with the bowl agreements not taking a step up for the next cycle.

I suppose the next expansion by the AAC could be a grand bargain type deal w/UAB, St. Louis and Dayton to replace UConn's basketball value by committee while pushing down the A10 further.

I wouldnt go that far. P6 is working fine. Its marketing. P6 is making headway with Joe Casual fan who is now more willing to watch a AAC game than he might have been 6 years ago. The bowls, on the other hand, are run by older guys with a similar mind set. P6 has little effect on them. Bowl committee's were always going to be a tough nut to crack. The best chance to make any headway there may be to make the AAC getting a major bowl something thats good for ESPN.

As for number 12----dont need one unless it clearly makes the conference better. VCU as a non-football addition passes that test. VCU clearly makes the confernece better. I dont know that any football option thats realistically open to the AAC can clear that same hurdle. 04-cheers
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(01-10-2020 04:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
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(01-10-2020 04:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-10-2020 04:02 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Well this puts to rest a few things.

No BYU to the MW.
No MW expansion.
No MW schools leaving for the other G5 conferences.
BSU special deal will no longer exist after this contract ends.

where do you get your last thing? Thought that was in perpetuity?

From the transcript of the conference call.
“ That is the whole membership agreement was discussed in December with the board of directors, and as we move forward, that is the anticipation, that everybody's membership agreements would get more germane and equal, if you will. But this will be the last Boise State separate negotiation for television rights.“

Is Boise going to see that the same way?

Could their new TV deal help drive Boise State out of the MWC?
https://mattbrown.substack.com/p/could-t...help-drive
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(01-15-2020 01:53 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  
(01-10-2020 04:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-10-2020 04:11 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(01-10-2020 04:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-10-2020 04:02 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Well this puts to rest a few things.

No BYU to the MW.
No MW expansion.
No MW schools leaving for the other G5 conferences.
BSU special deal will no longer exist after this contract ends.

where do you get your last thing? Thought that was in perpetuity?

From the transcript of the conference call.
“ That is the whole membership agreement was discussed in December with the board of directors, and as we move forward, that is the anticipation, that everybody's membership agreements would get more germane and equal, if you will. But this will be the last Boise State separate negotiation for television rights.“

Is Boise going to see that the same way?

Could their new TV deal help drive Boise State out of the MWC?
https://mattbrown.substack.com/p/could-t...help-drive

Pffft. That's a silly article, and this is the worst part of it.

Quote:It’s worth noting that the Mountain West already drove a powerful brand out of the league, in part, over disagreements over television policy. Frustrations over exposure and rebroadcasts weren’t the only reason BYU decided to go independent, but they were certainly a highly significant one.

Brown is either really dumb or intentionally lying when he ignores BYU's desire to give its football team a pseudo-Notre Dame identity in response to the Utes joining the Pac-12.
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(01-15-2020 02:05 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
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(01-10-2020 04:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-10-2020 04:11 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(01-10-2020 04:05 PM)stever20 Wrote:  where do you get your last thing? Thought that was in perpetuity?

From the transcript of the conference call.
“ That is the whole membership agreement was discussed in December with the board of directors, and as we move forward, that is the anticipation, that everybody's membership agreements would get more germane and equal, if you will. But this will be the last Boise State separate negotiation for television rights.“

Is Boise going to see that the same way?

Could their new TV deal help drive Boise State out of the MWC?
https://mattbrown.substack.com/p/could-t...help-drive

Pffft. That's a silly article, and this is the worst part of it.

Quote:It’s worth noting that the Mountain West already drove a powerful brand out of the league, in part, over disagreements over television policy. Frustrations over exposure and rebroadcasts weren’t the only reason BYU decided to go independent, but they were certainly a highly significant one.

Brown is either really dumb or intentionally lying when he ignores BYU's desire to give its football team a pseudo-Notre Dame identity in response to the Utes joining the Pac-12.

The MWC's television issues and broken promises were the main driver. BYUTV's multi-million studio was already fully-funded and under construction before Utah left.

Utah leaving for the PAC 12 was the catalyst...both because BYU was losing its primary ally within the conference and for the identity to keep up. Some might say the move was perfectly timed.
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(01-15-2020 03:09 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(01-15-2020 02:05 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-15-2020 01:53 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  
(01-10-2020 04:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-10-2020 04:11 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  From the transcript of the conference call.
“ That is the whole membership agreement was discussed in December with the board of directors, and as we move forward, that is the anticipation, that everybody's membership agreements would get more germane and equal, if you will. But this will be the last Boise State separate negotiation for television rights.“

Is Boise going to see that the same way?

Could their new TV deal help drive Boise State out of the MWC?
https://mattbrown.substack.com/p/could-t...help-drive

Pffft. That's a silly article, and this is the worst part of it.

Quote:It’s worth noting that the Mountain West already drove a powerful brand out of the league, in part, over disagreements over television policy. Frustrations over exposure and rebroadcasts weren’t the only reason BYU decided to go independent, but they were certainly a highly significant one.

Brown is either really dumb or intentionally lying when he ignores BYU's desire to give its football team a pseudo-Notre Dame identity in response to the Utes joining the Pac-12.

The MWC's television issues and broken promises were the main driver. BYUTV's multi-million studio was already fully-funded and under construction before Utah left.

Utah leaving for the PAC 12 was the catalyst...both because BYU was losing its primary ally within the conference and for the identity to keep up. Some might say the move was perfectly timed.

Please....you can’t try and spin it. BYU left because their ego was hurt with Utah joining the PAC. If Utah did leave, BYU would still be in the MW.
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(01-15-2020 03:16 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(01-15-2020 03:09 PM)YNot Wrote:  
(01-15-2020 02:05 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(01-15-2020 01:53 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  
(01-10-2020 04:13 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Is Boise going to see that the same way?

Could their new TV deal help drive Boise State out of the MWC?
https://mattbrown.substack.com/p/could-t...help-drive

Pffft. That's a silly article, and this is the worst part of it.

Quote:It’s worth noting that the Mountain West already drove a powerful brand out of the league, in part, over disagreements over television policy. Frustrations over exposure and rebroadcasts weren’t the only reason BYU decided to go independent, but they were certainly a highly significant one.

Brown is either really dumb or intentionally lying when he ignores BYU's desire to give its football team a pseudo-Notre Dame identity in response to the Utes joining the Pac-12.

The MWC's television issues and broken promises were the main driver. BYUTV's multi-million studio was already fully-funded and under construction before Utah left.

Utah leaving for the PAC 12 was the catalyst...both because BYU was losing its primary ally within the conference and for the identity to keep up. Some might say the move was perfectly timed.

Please....you can’t try and spin it. BYU left because their ego was hurt with Utah joining the PAC. If Utah did leave, BYU would still be in the MW.

It was positioning really more than ego. They can't spin MWC membership as making them equal to the P5.
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(01-11-2020 04:13 AM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  still dont see how a deal that nets teams $3-$4 million a year less than their perceived closest competitor erases all talk of potential MWC defection to the AAC. Especially considering requisite renegotiating of the AAC's contract such a defection would cause.

There is no talk of MWC defection to the AAC. That is board fantasy talk. For a school like San Diego State, they just got an increase in TV revenue from $1.1 million per year to $3.9 million. Boise State just got an increase from $2.9 million to $5.7 million. This helps a lot and they still have their Tier 3 rights to decide on, which could bring more revenue. Plus, their deal is only for six years. They could end up with two six year deals that are equal to or better than the AAC 12 year deal.

I don't see the MWC in competition with the AAC. The MWC is in a different time zone, a different region of the country. The AAC contract is good for the AAC, that model was not going to work for the MWC. The revenue per school of $7 million per school per year is good. The length of the agreement and being all-in on ESPN would not work for the MWC.

The MWC deal does not need to be dollar-for-dollar with the AAC deal. They just needed a significant increase in revenue and they achieved that. The real question, is it better to be all-in with ESPN or all-out with ESPN? I personally think it is better to be with ESPN, as the AAC is, but I could be wrong. Or it may not matter at all. I am going to be interested to see how that plays out for the MWC.

My sense is the MW got increase big enough to largely squash any real financial motivation to move to the AAC. That said, the front range guys---who are looking at 3.9 million a team (as well as earning two thirds of what conference mate Boise gets), might still consider the move as they would almost double their income while really only having an incremental increase in travel costs---if they have another reason for being interested. For instance---if a front range shcool has a desire to be more eastern leaning----then MAYBE they might still make the move to the AAC despite the money difference having been reduced.

That said, I think the chances of a MW school moving to the AAC is very low at this point (as in darn near zero).

There was never any real talk of going anywhere. It’s just message board fantasy talk from some AAC fans. If ESPN wanted it from the very beginning it would’ve happened already. A leak from a MWC AD office or from the local media would've been a sign of an imminent move or at the very least, preliminary talks. None of those things happened.

I’ll say this over and over again, a Front Range school will not risk being eventually being left behind with the likes of Tulsa, SMU, Tulane, East Carolina, Memphis, etc. Also, that “extra” $2 million will be spent sending the Olympic sports to those places. There’s not a financial incentive, better bowls or a tie to a major bowl in the AAC that will convince them to make the move. If there’s something the Front Range schools value is rivalries. It’s the reason they formed the MWC in the first place. It’s the reason they’re turning around on scheduling BYU again. They won’t jeopardize any of that by going to a conference that’s one ACC and/or Big XII raid away from being another C-USA. They only have to look at their former rival UTEP to know they don’t want to be that Western school that’s lost in a Southern based conference.
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(01-11-2020 04:13 AM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  still dont see how a deal that nets teams $3-$4 million a year less than their perceived closest competitor erases all talk of potential MWC defection to the AAC. Especially considering requisite renegotiating of the AAC's contract such a defection would cause.

There is no talk of MWC defection to the AAC. That is board fantasy talk. For a school like San Diego State, they just got an increase in TV revenue from $1.1 million per year to $3.9 million. Boise State just got an increase from $2.9 million to $5.7 million. This helps a lot and they still have their Tier 3 rights to decide on, which could bring more revenue. Plus, their deal is only for six years. They could end up with two six year deals that are equal to or better than the AAC 12 year deal.

I don't see the MWC in competition with the AAC. The MWC is in a different time zone, a different region of the country. The AAC contract is good for the AAC, that model was not going to work for the MWC. The revenue per school of $7 million per school per year is good. The length of the agreement and being all-in on ESPN would not work for the MWC.

The MWC deal does not need to be dollar-for-dollar with the AAC deal. They just needed a significant increase in revenue and they achieved that. The real question, is it better to be all-in with ESPN or all-out with ESPN? I personally think it is better to be with ESPN, as the AAC is, but I could be wrong. Or it may not matter at all. I am going to be interested to see how that plays out for the MWC.

Yeah BSU would likely be target #1 and movement isn’t likely when Boise’s payout is around 500k or less off of what the AAC likely gets over the life of the MWC contract (shorter term and therefore AAC number has more years of escalating payouts boosting it up)

AAC is ahead but travel cost would eat most of that gap up.

I don't think Boise would be #1 target of AAC at all. AF, would be and maybe Col State. Boise is a national brand but are in a small market.
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(01-17-2020 06:21 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  
(01-13-2020 03:07 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  
(01-13-2020 02:46 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  
(01-11-2020 04:13 AM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  still dont see how a deal that nets teams $3-$4 million a year less than their perceived closest competitor erases all talk of potential MWC defection to the AAC. Especially considering requisite renegotiating of the AAC's contract such a defection would cause.

There is no talk of MWC defection to the AAC. That is board fantasy talk. For a school like San Diego State, they just got an increase in TV revenue from $1.1 million per year to $3.9 million. Boise State just got an increase from $2.9 million to $5.7 million. This helps a lot and they still have their Tier 3 rights to decide on, which could bring more revenue. Plus, their deal is only for six years. They could end up with two six year deals that are equal to or better than the AAC 12 year deal.

I don't see the MWC in competition with the AAC. The MWC is in a different time zone, a different region of the country. The AAC contract is good for the AAC, that model was not going to work for the MWC. The revenue per school of $7 million per school per year is good. The length of the agreement and being all-in on ESPN would not work for the MWC.

The MWC deal does not need to be dollar-for-dollar with the AAC deal. They just needed a significant increase in revenue and they achieved that. The real question, is it better to be all-in with ESPN or all-out with ESPN? I personally think it is better to be with ESPN, as the AAC is, but I could be wrong. Or it may not matter at all. I am going to be interested to see how that plays out for the MWC.

Yeah BSU would likely be target #1 and movement isn’t likely when Boise’s payout is around 500k or less off of what the AAC likely gets over the life of the MWC contract (shorter term and therefore AAC number has more years of escalating payouts boosting it up)

AAC is ahead but travel cost would eat most of that gap up.

I don't think Boise would be #1 target of AAC at all. AF, would be and maybe Col State. Boise is a national brand but are in a small market.

They could add Air Force and Army and give 2 of the service institutions more scheduling flexibility since 2 of 8 conference games would be against service academies. Both could be football only members. Air Force could join the WAC, Big West, West Coast, Big Sky or Summit for other sports. Probably all would take them, but there is no doubt WAC and Summit would take them. The 3 academies and BYU are probably the 3 biggest TV draws outside the P5.
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It doesn't look like Boise's happy about the new deal...



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