(12-22-2019 02:18 PM)Feral Eagle Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 11:10 AM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 09:05 AM)va-eagle Wrote:  

(12-21-2019 02:23 PM)Feral Eagle Wrote:  I did a quick look at the 2011 Southern Miss championship team to see what offers various players had who were on that team. I think it gives a good perspective of where we are right now. I wish all the new signees the best. There were players on the 2011 team who received no offers from power conference schools and turned out to be very good, i.e. Austin Davis (walk on), Cordarro Law, and Ronnie Thornton who lead to the team in tackles against Houston in the championship game. I'm sure a few of our signees will turn out to be very good as well. But looking at it from the quality of players overall on the team it's a rather sad situation.

Players on the 2011 team and the offers they received prior to choosing Southern Miss:

Darius Barnes- Ole Miss
Marcal Robinson- Arkansas, Auburn, Louisvile
Kendrick Presley- Ole Miss
Kyrhi Thornton- Arkansas, Clemson, Florida State
Jamie Collins- Auburn
Tracey Lampley- Mississippi State
Deron Wilson- Kansas State, Minnesota, Mississippi State
Jamal Woodyard- Louisville, Mississippi State
Jason Weaver (JC signee)- Arizona, Kansas State, Miami
Kelvin Bolden (JC signee)- Mississippi State
Lamar Holmes (JC signee)- Auburn, Mississippi State, Oklahoma State
Desmond Johnson- Michigan

To be fair, you could do the same thing for the 2012 season and have just as many players with P5 offers. EJ signed the 2nd highest rated player in USM history that season.

And to be fair, that was coming off the most successful season in Usm DI history at 12-2, so it should have been expected and actually much, much better. Remember, EJ didn't want to "chase ghosts". He was a terrible, recruiter and should have been one of the warning signs for his loser supporters that defended him through about the first 9 games.

Exactly. The 2012 recruits were no doubt impressed by what happened during the 2012 season. It's a testament to what a lousy coach Ellis Johnson was. By 2014, 9 of the 13 three star or better recruits had left the program. If you go back and watch the first half of the 2012 Nebraska game it looked like Southern Miss from 2011. Lampley ran a kickoff back 100 yards for a TD. New QB Chris Campbell was playing a good game and driving Southern Miss down the field and throwing a TD strike to Sullivan. Then down only 21-14, EJ yanks Campbell out of the game near the end of the 1st half and puts in his favorite Anthony Alford. Even the TV announcers commented on what a bad move that was. The game went downhill from there. The rest of the 0-12 season is history and too painful to recall.

I still can't believe that **** happened at Nebraska. It was exactly as you stated. Even after all these years and watching it myself its hard to believe. That guy is a low life piece of trash.

Guys, come on, give Ellis a break. Even he admitted that we obviously weren’t gonna win that game at half.

(12-22-2019 02:00 PM)Feral Eagle Wrote:  

(12-21-2019 11:36 PM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  

(12-21-2019 02:23 PM)Feral Eagle Wrote:  I did a quick look at the 2011 Southern Miss championship team to see what offers various players had who were on that team. I think it gives a good perspective of where we are right now. I wish all the new signees the best. There were players on the 2011 team who received no offers from power conference schools and turned out to be very good, i.e. Austin Davis (walk on), Cordarro Law, and Ronnie Thornton who lead to the team in tackles against Houston in the championship game. I'm sure a few of our signees will turn out to be very good as well. But looking at it from the quality of players overall on the team it's a rather sad situation.

Players on the 2011 team and the offers they received prior to choosing Southern Miss:

Darius Barnes- Ole Miss
Marcal Robinson- Arkansas, Auburn, Louisvile
Kendrick Presley- Ole Miss
Kyrhi Thornton- Arkansas, Clemson, Florida State
Jamie Collins- Auburn
Tracey Lampley- Mississippi State
Deron Wilson- Kansas State, Minnesota, Mississippi State
Jamal Woodyard- Louisville, Mississippi State
Jason Weaver (JC signee)- Arizona, Kansas State, Miami
Kelvin Bolden (JC signee)- Mississippi State
Lamar Holmes (JC signee)- Auburn, Mississippi State, Oklahoma State
Desmond Johnson- Michigan

Those days are long gone.

The facilities that even lower level P5’s have now are too good. We can’t convince a kid to stay home instead of going to play at Arizona, Minnesota, K-State, etc. when every P5 school has things like an indoor practice facility.

If facilities was the sole motivator for players signing, every one of the players listed above would have signed with one of those teams instead of Southern Miss. All of those teams had facilities that would be considered far superior to what USM had. Even if you went back to the 1970s and 1980s all the above schools would have had superior facilities compared to USM. A quality coach with a vision to bring exciting football to a program, and the enthusiasm to promote that to recruits can do wonders. Obviously Fedora and his staff did something to persuade the players above to cast their lot with Southern Miss. And it appears Hopson doesn't have the vision or energy level to do the same.

The gap was closer than you think in the 90’s and 00’s.

You underestimate what P5 programs have put into facilities, along with coaching staffs, training, and recruiting budgets over the last 10 years.

And what do you think it takes to draw quality coaches? Resources.

(12-22-2019 10:22 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  I still cringe at hiring an unproven surrogate paw-paw corch b/c he's one of our own simply to sign a supposed one of our own 4/5 'stars' via nepotism certainly generated a 'laundry list of success', ya?.....

yeah buggy....ol' battery boy was that couldn't miss, dual threat athletic stud that couldn't hit the broadside of anything if it was a foot in front of his feces once the gene pool and talent level was equalized...toss in having the I.Q. of an average gang banger combined with the football I.Q. of a squid, and you get this ROI 7 yrs. later....

https://www.baseball-reference.com/regis...ford000ant

yep....the only two 5 star recruits that ever signed at southern miss, are easily the biggest long term investment failures to play at the Rock....

take a look at the current version at FSU and U.....they have more horror stories one would ever NOT want to listen to....

I'll take a 2/3 star with 'under the radar talent ' with a functional brain, humble/ethical background, and athletic savvy any day over an overrated prima-fkn-donna....

today's biggest problem is we don't have the right skipper(s) at the helm.....and it all begins with Bennett's Peter Principle'd apathy and lack of ability.....there's only one solution in that arena.....and we're going to get at least one more year of all that bs....

oh wellzy.....have a merry christmas, happy kwanzaa, and hanukkah.....

paw paw buttermilk telling us alford had the quickest release and was the best runner prior to the ecu game.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7zcmPu2iZk

(12-22-2019 07:45 PM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  The gap was closer than you think in the 90’s and 00’s.

You underestimate what P5 programs have put into facilities, along with coaching staffs, training, and recruiting budgets over the last 10 years.

And what do you think it takes to draw quality coaches? Resources.

It’s true that gap has widened, and the landscape in general has changed immensely. The former incarnation of CUSA threatened a couple times to crack the old BCS. We could sell kids on us being that team. Now, we’re part of a league whose champion is hoping to crack the Top 25 after going 11-3, and ESPN is firmly invested in and pumping up one G5 conference to the detriment of the rest of us.

It’s a tough row to hoe, no doubt.

...which is why we need to be hiring the young, motivated, cocky up-and-comer who believes his own bulls*t when he tells you Southern Miss can be the best thing since sliced bread. It’s tough, but it’s not impossible. Monken recruited in this version of CUSA with only one season prior to the playoff being established. He still managed 9 wins and a division title by year 3. Of course, Monk could probaby take Hopson’s own roster and beat him by at least 2 TDs, but that’s kind of the point. We ain’t winning jack with guys for whom this job will be the high point of their careers.

(12-23-2019 10:59 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(12-22-2019 07:45 PM)eaglenjxn Wrote:  The gap was closer than you think in the 90’s and 00’s.

You underestimate what P5 programs have put into facilities, along with coaching staffs, training, and recruiting budgets over the last 10 years.

And what do you think it takes to draw quality coaches? Resources.

It’s true that gap has widened, and the landscape in general has changed immensely. The former incarnation of CUSA threatened a couple times to crack the old BCS. We could sell kids on us being that team. Now, we’re part of a league whose champion is hoping to crack the Top 25 after going 11-3, and ESPN is firmly invested in and pumping up one G5 conference to the detriment of the rest of us.

It’s a tough row to hoe, no doubt.

...which is why we need to be hiring the young, motivated, cocky up-and-comer who believes his own bulls*t when he tells you Southern Miss can be the best thing since sliced bread. It’s tough, but it’s not impossible. Monken recruited in this version of CUSA with only one season prior to the playoff being established. He still managed 9 wins and a division title by year 3. Of course, Monk could probaby take Hopson’s own roster and beat him by at least 2 TDs, but that’s kind of the point. We ain’t winning jack with guys for whom this job will be the high point of their careers.

Never understood why we havent sold ourselves from the beginning as the best place to have a chance to get into the BCS access bowl (Ship has sailed now). Also I'd bet Monken would beat Hopson by 4 tds minimum. Those two are not equal in any way.