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RE: The Stadium rabblerousers are at it again (link & opinion)
(12-21-2019 10:05 AM)UAB Schnauzer Wrote:  Some people are upset because they know it could have been better and when they brought up their concerns last January and numerous times since then they were misled and lied to.

People putting stuff on this message board or on Twitter is not "bringing up their concerns", and you've provided no evidence that anyone was lied to about anything

Yes, it could be better. It could be situated on 6th Ave S, but that isn't happening. It's called compromise, and living in reality
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Ok, so they’re pitching a fit like children over lack of seats on the press box side. UAB has shown that if you are going to be given seats within both 35 yard lines that they’re going to require $50 more for season tickets in those seats. Folks are not going to be willing to pay that as you can see by the showing at Legion field. So what’s the point of going with more than 30-35 rows?

Put up the money and those seats can be anybody’s. I think the real issue here is that some are afraid those seats will be sold and those who buy corner seats can’t go sit in the premium seats whenever they want with no questions asked like they do at Legion field.

If we were a cheapskate and couldn’t get the free tickets that are supposedly handed out to everyone in Bham, we’d buy those family and friend zone season tickets for $99 that are in sections on the other side of the stadium. Then go sit in the empty seats in front of the press box.

No viable reason now or in the near future to go much bigger on rows of seating or capacity. If you think there is, you are living in a fantasy.
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My god, you are full bore negative all of the time.

An extra $50 for prime seats in a brand new stadium that isn't Lesion Field isn't a game breaker, although I don't have a clue where you're getting that figure since ticket prices have not been announced. One of the good things about this stadium being smaller is that season tickets are going to be far more valuable. You won't be able just walk up and plop yourself anywhere you please anymore because the number of seats will be 40% smaller. You're also underestimating the number of people who flat refused to go to LF for fear they'd be robbed, raped, or killed. Yes, that's stupid racist nonsense, but if you deny that it affected attendance you have your head in the sand. The corner seats have good sight lines and are pretty close to the field. No, they're not as good, but I expect a lower price to reflect that.

As to expanding the stadium, I agree that there really isn't any point in discussing it now. If that day comes, the BJCC will make the moves that they find appropriate and commercially viable. That said, I do expect larger crowds, especially if the team continues winning as it has for the last three years.

You sound a helluva lot like the people who whined and cried that no one would go watch baseball downtown at Regions Field, and we all know how that one turned out. This facility's design resembles Regions a great deal, with the open concourse design that lets people move around and still be able to see the game. It's going to be fine.

If we go back to winning two or three games a season, *then* you'll see smaller crowds - but it won't be because of the stadium design.
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The $50 is currently what UAB requires as a booster donation on top of buying season tickets in sections 10 & 11. I expect them to do something similar at the new stadium. My point was, instead of complaining about there not being enough seats, put up the money to get the quality seat you are looking for ahead of time like the rest of us and know that it’s benefiting the program even if you are having to stretch your paycheck. I’ve heard this common man bs, and I think that’s a dumb discussion considering the product and competition should be much better than what we are already seeing.

As far as the excuses being made to not go to legion field. Well, besides the stadium itself, many of the same excuses will continue to be made no matter where you are downtown in a new stadium. Difference in us drawing a crowd and the barons is that they arent competing with anybody to pull in fans, which leaves Bama and AU fans free to go their games consistently.

It’s not a matter of being negative. Just saying what I see of this attempt to get a design change looks like an attempt to get seat prices, lowered ahead of time. Since there’s no reason to go bigger in capacity in the near future, it just sounds like folks who’ve never been to a game hoping they don’t have to pay a bunch for tickets at this venue, no matter the event.

Say the Classic was moved from LF to Protective stadium, probably selling 30k less tickets. In order to make up for that revenue loss in ticket sales, they’d raise the prices for tickets if the Classic were moved. If one had to guess, the BJCC will make an attempt to try and lure The Classic there. Regardless of the space for the festivities outside of the game.

Calling something that you opinionatively think something realisticly is, doesn’t mean it’s negative if it doesnt fit someone else’s opinion. My opinion may be wrong, don’t mean it’s negative.
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(12-20-2019 09:56 PM)bigdunks Wrote:  The last reply is nuts. Paranoia out of control. The stadium design, specifically the luxury boxes and press box, look very different compared to other stadium designs. If the stadium was ever expanded on the press box side I bet the luxury boxes and press box would need to be torn down and rebuilt? That is my opinion and I want a new stadium. I just don't like the design of the press box side of stadium. Obviously I'm not the only person feeling that way.

I don’t know why I even am entertaining this nonsense, but stadiums have suites with seats built all around them all over the place.

https://www.suiteexperiencegroup.com/all...lis-colts/

I’m not an architect, but I’d imagine if things go really well an upper deck can be added without destroying everything currently in place.
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I'll say this again. For once Birmingham is on the leading edge of change instead of trailing. Entertainment venues are being downsized and upgraded with amenities for higher paying customers. A close example is the school down I59. Even they are taking out regular seats and replacing them with high end club areas, at the same time quadrupling the required donation.

You know where the cheap seats for the Common Man are gonna be, college and pro?

At home on the couch.
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(12-21-2019 06:23 PM)blazers9911 Wrote:  
(12-20-2019 09:56 PM)bigdunks Wrote:  The last reply is nuts. Paranoia out of control. The stadium design, specifically the luxury boxes and press box, look very different compared to other stadium designs. If the stadium was ever expanded on the press box side I bet the luxury boxes and press box would need to be torn down and rebuilt? That is my opinion and I want a new stadium. I just don't like the design of the press box side of stadium. Obviously I'm not the only person feeling that way.

I don’t know why I even am entertaining this nonsense, but stadiums have suites with seats built all around them all over the place.

https://www.suiteexperiencegroup.com/all...lis-colts/

I’m not an architect, but I’d imagine if things go really well an upper deck can be added without destroying everything currently in place.
You can't build anything on top of luxury boxes or press box with the design. It's a separate structure just like press box at Regions baseball stadium downtown. I'm not against the stadium size but it's the design. It has nothing to do with ticket prices either. The new Baylor stadium holds about 45k but press box and luxury boxes are part of stadium's structure. The stadium design was modified once already and that was my objection both times. Sorry to upset anyone.
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Design is fine. It’s what we want. About sick of the whining.
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(12-20-2019 12:25 PM)HiddenDragon Wrote:  
(12-20-2019 10:13 AM)WhatIsThisFeeling Wrote:  The stadium is 45,000 with the possibility to expand to 55,000 if it is ever needed. Why go straight to 55k or 60k now. Build the 45k and see what happens over the next few years. If more seats are needed then they can be easily added in the off season.
Also you talk as if the Classic is gonna leave the city with the money it brings in. The Classic is gonna be here weather its at Legion or at Protective. So who cares where it is played as long as Birmingham keeps it.

I guarantee you the Classic will never be played at Protective as long as Legion Field is standing. The day Legion Field is gone and Protective is still sitting at 45,000 seats, the Classic will be played somewhere else other than Birmingham. And simply adding seats will cost money. Who's going to pay to have these seats added?

I like how so of you try to downplay the importance of the Classic and think there are no other options available for the game. You do know that Atlanta and New Orleans have tried to have this game moved to their cities. The Classic bring over 60,000 fans annually not to include another 25-30,000 fans that are simply tailgating outside of the stadium while the game is going on.

Anywho, this isn't an issue right now because the Classic will stay at Legion Field and there are no immediate plans to tear the Old Grey Lady down. That's good for Birmingham.


I disagree. As an alumnus of Alabama State our plan is to keep the Magic City Classic in Birmingham. The MCC is a HUGE recruiting tool for both us and Alabama A&M. About 25% or more of our entire student bodies com from the Birmingham Metro Area, our biggest alumni associations are in Birmingham. Our President and AD have all been in talks with Randall Woodfin about the future of the game. Atlanta has made several attempts to lure the game here but neither school has budged. Our administrations will work with the City of Birmingham to keep the game there. It's big for the city and both schools. This past year between seniors from the Birmingham City Schools and Jefferson County Schools we received over 5,000 applications at the college fair. That's HUGE! Trust we are in no rush to leave the city and the city feels the same about the Classic.
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There's also a plan to bring the Bama State/Alabama A&M game back to Birmingham like it once was up until the early 2000s. Those games would draw very well. We're scheduled to play January at Bill Harris Arena like we did last year but many folks complained that tickets were almost impossible to get. The game sold out so quick that very few people got the chance to attend.
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(12-20-2019 03:35 PM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  Smaller venues are the future for live sports. Birmingham is actually ahead of the curve for once. Very pleased to read there is fixed seating for slightly less than 40,000. A perfect fit for UAB.
I agree with you especially for football. But look at the history with UAB basketball. Bartow Arena was built with 8.5k seats and was sold out during the first few seasons. Playing at BJCC before less than a half full house was not ideal. I wanted to keep several games there each season as it gave program big time atmosphere. Schools like Villanova and St.John's do the same for big games. But UAB basketball said losing home court advantage at Bartow more important. Was leaving BJCC all together a good move as the current program draws 3k? Smaller maybe isn't always better?
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UAB found it harder & harder to get the big games for home.

A game against Indiana & games in the Arby's Classic or whatever it was called against Fresno, Auburn, etc. also would draw well for the BJCC.

Most of the other ones over time wouldn't.
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Bartow was not sold out during the first few seasons other than a few outliers. Hell we could not even sell out opening night vs Vandy. Smh
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Likewise neither Mike Anderson nor Mike Davis teams could sell out the arena. Even the Memphis games had a couple hundred tickets left.

Attendance took a big dive after Haase was hired. Probably due to the football situation, but even still it hasn't recovered since.
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(12-26-2019 10:56 AM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  Bartow was not sold out during the first few seasons other than a few outliers. Hell we could not even sell out opening night vs Vandy. Smh
Bartow Arena initially set aside a larger number of student seating
sections during the first 2 seasons. The students did not show up and those seats were put up for sale to the public.
My season tickets in year one at Bartow were on the top row of upper bowl behind the basket. I was able to get better seats every season moving forward.
The Arena was very close to being listed as sold out with season ticket holders in year one.
My point was that folks were being told that if you did not buy tickets early you might be left out. Bartow was not going to be like BJCC.
The basketball program reached out to the community so much better during the BJCC years too. They came to my high school often trying to get students to come to games. That drive changed with the move to Bartow.
But you have one point correct. You could always get a ticket at Bartow because someone was not going to show up. (specifically students during years one and two at Bartow. Later,students would complain they could not get seats to bigger games like Memphis as they were being sold to the public unfairly). No one was turned away from Bartow, but I do think that was part of the plan at a smaller venue.
You've got to be careful with a smaller venue not to drive your own fans away. UAB is not The Chicago Cubs or Crimson Tide.
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I don't have a dog in this hunt but I would make one simple modification from the proper fully enclosed non-Legion-ripoff design: Have one endzone where it's possible to remove seating and effectively give field level access from outside the stadium on that endzone. Why? For the same reason Monster Jam holds its really big events at stadiums like UTEP and UNLV's stadiums ... the run up they can get before coming onto the field means they can get air where they're level with the upper deck. And I don't care how much redneck is in you, you only need a tiny bit to make that badass and something you wanna see. I'm sure Monster Jam at that stadium would be a sellout under such configurations. If they held the Monster Jam Finals there I'd even come see it.
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Yeah, I’d much rather see the trucks performing outside than inside. Don’t have to breath in everything that the trucks are putting out.
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(12-26-2019 04:51 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  I don't have a dog in this hunt but I would make one simple modification from the proper fully enclosed non-Legion-ripoff design: Have one endzone where it's possible to remove seating and effectively give field level access from outside the stadium on that endzone. Why? For the same reason Monster Jam holds its really big events at stadiums like UTEP and UNLV's stadiums ... the run up they can get before coming onto the field means they can get air where they're level with the upper deck. And I don't care how much redneck is in you, you only need a tiny bit to make that badass and something you wanna see. I'm sure Monster Jam at that stadium would be a sellout under such configurations. If they held the Monster Jam Finals there I'd even come see it.

I agree. I saw Monster Jam at Petco Park (Home of the Padres) in January and it was absolutely awesome! This event is much better outside than inside.
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Now that UAB's checks have cashed, let's just put all the good football stadium stuff at the bottom so we can accommodate these one-off events
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