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Move the ACC Championship up two weeks?
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Move the ACC Championship up two weeks?
There was a thread about this before the season on the realignment board. Would the ACC get a ratings boost if it had its championship (Orange Bowl play-in) in mid-November, scheduled against weak P5 competition, and then was able to flood the final week of the season with rivalry content? The championship participants would be determined on the basis of division record. The final 2 weekends would end up being all cross-division games (and the 4 SEC games); the zipper divisions allow for many rivalry pairings.

EXAMPLE December 7th games:
BC @ Miami
Syracuse @ Pittsburgh
Virginia Tech @ Virginia
Clemson @ UNC
NC State @ Florida State
Louisville @ Duke
Wake @ Georgia Tech
*VT and FSU would have to trade divisions, and
**Clem-FSU and Lou-GT would be played earlier in the year

If you wanted, you could even add an 8th game by incorporating the 5th Notre Dame game and buying a visit from another independent school (likely UMass or UConn). To take it even further, you could put the above rivalries (BC-Mia, Syr-Pit, VT-UVA) on traditional Rivalry Week and then determine the December 7th matchups after division play ends; you'd already have the venues lined up (including an 8th, neutral site game), and you'd be able to give visiting fans 3 week-notice.

Something like:
Clemson (11-0) vs. Notre Dame (9-2) *Charlotte*
Wake Forest (8-3) @ Virginia (8-3)
Louisville (7-4) @ Pittsburgh (7-4)
Va Tech (7-4) @ Florida St (6-5)
BC (5-6) @ UNC (6-5)
NC State (4-7) @ Duke (5-6)
Syracuse (4-7) @ Miami (5-6)
UMass (1-10) @ Ga Tech (2-9)

This is a straight up-and-down between the divisions, but after pairing the top teams you could use pre-determined secondary rivalries to push more intra-NC games or former-BE games that have been separated by the zipper format (the above example decently hits 3 such games). Hey, it'd at least give the Orange Bowl a clear pick on who to take if Clemson goes to the playoff.

I'm pretty sure this doesn't break any NCAA rules, but y'all can correct me if I'm wrong.
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RE: Move the ACC Championship up two weeks?
You might have included in your poll retaining the current structure, but you didn't. Seems like you are trying to present false choices to get your desired answer.
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RE: Move the ACC Championship up two weeks?
ND is unlikely to move its Southern Cal/Stanford last game of the year in California.

Their coaches have been recruiting the West Coast and Hawaii for decades after that final game in California.
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(12-13-2019 08:28 AM)TerryD Wrote:  ND is unlikely to move its Southern Cal/Stanford last game of the year in California.

Their coaches have been recruiting the West Coast and Hawaii for decades after that final game in California.

I think he's suggesting the week AFTER that game. You'd have to schedule 11 games and leave the 12th "tbd". For this to work at all, it has to be on Championship Weekend - AFTER the ACC/SEC rivalry games.
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(12-13-2019 09:39 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(12-13-2019 08:28 AM)TerryD Wrote:  ND is unlikely to move its Southern Cal/Stanford last game of the year in California.

Their coaches have been recruiting the West Coast and Hawaii for decades after that final game in California.

I think he's suggesting the week AFTER that game. You'd have to schedule 11 games and leave the 12th "tbd". For this to work at all, it has to be on Championship Weekend - AFTER the ACC/SEC rivalry games.

The week after that game (and maybe longer) is when the ND coaches stay on the West Coast to recruit, IIRC.
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RE: Move the ACC Championship up two weeks?
some basketball league is doing something like this already, IIRC.
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RE: Move the ACC Championship up two weeks?
Essentially, what something like this would do is concede the audience during Championship Week to the other P5 conferences and to a lesser extent to the AAC. Why watch two mediocre ACC teams who happen to be rivals when you could watch LSU-Georgia of Alabama-Florida or Ohio State-Wisconsin?

Those ACC games aren't going to broadcast on a major platform. They'd be on the ACCN or ESPN+ or some such outlet. And your champion isn't going to get the benefit of attracting the selection committee's eyeballs just before they vote on the CFP participants.
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RE: Move the ACC Championship up two weeks?
I’d be in favor of dropping the ACCCG all together and spread out the bye weeks out a little and go divisionless. FSU ends with UF which is going to be a better opponent than what they will usually play in the ACCCG anyway, but if it pleases the ACC it could be a Clemson vs FSU the week after and then both schools get their big opponent.

If the ACCCG is a must, then move the game to Friday or early Saturday.
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RE: Move the ACC Championship up two weeks?
The Notre Dame thing won't work. You can't penalize a team for losing to #10 Notre Dame and reward another team for beating an unranked Uconn. Even if you could find a team roughly comparable to ND that would all change next year.

It might help the CCG ratings but it would likely hurt the ratings of games after that. Everything after that would essentially be a consolation game.
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RE: Move the ACC Championship up two weeks?
I think the only problem with the ratings for the ACC Championship is the match up. Now, it doesn't help that it is going head to head with the B1G Championship at the same time, but to get really good numbers, both teams need to be in the Top 10 or so, and there needs to be playoff / NY6 implications for both teams.
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(12-13-2019 11:35 AM)Schema Wrote:  I think the only problem with the ratings for the ACC Championship is the match up. Now, it doesn't help that it is going head to head with the B1G Championship at the same time, but to get really good numbers, both teams need to be in the Top 10 or so, and there needs to be playoff / NY6 implications for both teams.

Exactly!!!!^^^^^^

ALL that is required is the Coastal Champ to actually be in contention for the CFB Playoffs as well.05-mafia

Then BOOM goes the DYnaMITE!!!04-cheers
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(12-13-2019 10:07 AM)ken d Wrote:  Essentially, what something like this would do is concede the audience during Championship Week to the other P5 conferences and to a lesser extent to the AAC. Why watch two mediocre ACC teams who happen to be rivals when you could watch LSU-Georgia of Alabama-Florida or Ohio State-Wisconsin?

Those ACC games aren't going to broadcast on a major platform. They'd be on the ACCN or ESPN+ or some such outlet. And your champion isn't going to get the benefit of attracting the selection committee's eyeballs just before they vote on the CFP participants.

Why watch Clemson-Virginia? Because Clemson has a playoff shot or because you are a fan of either team. You'd definitely keep that big game in its current network timeslot and then add content for all 14 fanbases (1 or 2 other games will probably be picked up as filler before the rest go to the ACCN or ESPN+). TV execs will continue to pay for that 1 game, whether Clemson is playing Virginia or Florida State or Notre Dame or UNC.

True, that removing the ACCCG to 2 weeks earlier can appear as conceding a loss to other conferences, particularly harmful when a conference like the American matched the ACC's numbers. Or, it can be spun as an opportunity to capitalize on an earlier week that lacks marquee matchups (particularly among college football fans in the South and East, as that is FCS weekend in the SEC), AND provide depth in a now very-shallow final week of the season.

Yes, it's a risk, but the potential is definitely there.
(12-13-2019 11:16 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  I’d be in favor of dropping the ACCCG all together and spread out the bye weeks out a little and go divisionless. FSU ends with UF which is going to be a better opponent than what they will usually play in the ACCCG anyway, but if it pleases the ACC it could be a Clemson vs FSU the week after and then both schools get their big opponent.

If the ACCCG is a must, then move the game to Friday or early Saturday.

Clemson-FSU would be a mighty fine game to have that weekend; for now still the two best programs in the conference. "If the ACCCG is a must, then move the game to..." Mid-November. Cash in on those rivalries (Virginia-Virginia Tech, Wake-Duke, Pittsburgh-Syracuse, FSU-Clemson) that final week.
(12-13-2019 11:30 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  The Notre Dame thing won't work. You can't penalize a team for losing to #10 Notre Dame and reward another team for beating an unranked Uconn. Even if you could find a team roughly comparable to ND that would all change next year.

It might help the CCG ratings but it would likely hurt the ratings of games after that. Everything after that would essentially be a consolation game.

I actually am not sure what penalty or reward you are refering to, with Notre Dame and UConn. I imagine playing Notre Dame would be the reward, because your team would then face a bigger, national brand. These games are post-championship, so conference standings are not at stake.

I look forward to the Florida State-Florida game every year, even when my team is not in contention for the playoff or a conference title (even when its a "consolation game"). I imagine it is similar for certain other matchups too. The only case where I could see my enthusiam wane is if we played in the early-CCG and lost. Had we won, we'd be steaming toward a potential playoff spot; had we already lost too much in our division, the end-of-year rivalry game would still be in my sights.
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(12-13-2019 11:58 AM)HRFlossY Wrote:  
(12-13-2019 11:35 AM)Schema Wrote:  I think the only problem with the ratings for the ACC Championship is the match up. Now, it doesn't help that it is going head to head with the B1G Championship at the same time, but to get really good numbers, both teams need to be in the Top 10 or so, and there needs to be playoff / NY6 implications for both teams.

Exactly!!!!^^^^^^

ALL that is required is the Coastal Champ to actually be in contention for the CFB Playoffs as well.05-mafia

Then BOOM goes the DYnaMITE!!!04-cheers

Anybody know the ratings in ‘15 when both UNC and Clemson were top 10? UNC lost by 7 or 8, btw. It was a good game.

The Coastal will be much better next year with UNC and Pitt improving even more, and Georgia Tech should be top 25 in a few years.
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