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RE: Its fall of 2010 and B12 is losing 4 members. Why not add WV @ Louisville?
(12-13-2019 05:46 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Todge is correct. In July of 2011, The Big 12 had quietly approached UofL about joining. Tom Jurich told them thanks but no thanks. This is from August 2011.

https://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.co...nt-page-1/

BTW I challenge anyone to find an article before September 2011 that mentions WVU. Matter of fact you’ll find Pitt mentioned before WVU. The first articles we saw here in Louisville were UofL and Pitt to The Big 12

You're under the delusion that WVU and UL were equals. WVU was a much stronger football program at that point in time. They were very good in the 90s and 2000s. They won 3 BCS bowls from 2005-2011. They were an upset against Pitt in the final game from playing in the BCS title game in 2007. Louisville was just a few years since they were promoted from CUSA.
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RE: Its fall of 2010 and B12 is losing 4 members. Why not add WV @ Louisville?
(12-13-2019 08:30 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(12-12-2019 06:11 PM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  Im still wondering why many people thought that Uconn over Louisville made sense. Their basketball prowess is essentially equal and Louisville had wayyy better football

None of the schools other than TCU made any kind of sense. UConn, Cincy, WVU, and Louisville all have nothing in common with the Big 12.

But the Big 12 was desperate and WVU was a flagship with the best football at the time, so they were the best choice.

Still doesn't make any sense for them to be in the Big 12, but that's life.

I was referring to the ACC backfill

UConn did make more sense than Louisville, in a grand scheme. State flagship, better university, actually on the Atlantic Coast.

But, two things killed UConn with the ACC - animosity over the 2003 era lawsuit, and lousy football at a time when the football powers were worried and disgruntled.

Yes. It was a surprise the snitty ACC would deem to take Louisville over a state flagship. But football matters.
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RE: Its fall of 2010 and B12 is losing 4 members. Why not add WV @ Louisville?
(12-18-2019 08:50 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-13-2019 08:30 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-12-2019 06:42 PM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  
(12-12-2019 06:20 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-12-2019 06:11 PM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  Im still wondering why many people thought that Uconn over Louisville made sense. Their basketball prowess is essentially equal and Louisville had wayyy better football

None of the schools other than TCU made any kind of sense. UConn, Cincy, WVU, and Louisville all have nothing in common with the Big 12.

But the Big 12 was desperate and WVU was a flagship with the best football at the time, so they were the best choice.

Still doesn't make any sense for them to be in the Big 12, but that's life.

I was referring to the ACC backfill

UConn did make more sense than Louisville, in a grand scheme. State flagship, better university, actually on the Atlantic Coast.

But, two things killed UConn with the ACC - animosity over the 2003 era lawsuit, and lousy football at a time when the football powers were worried and disgruntled.

Yes. It was a surprise the snitty ACC would deem to take Louisville over a state flagship. But football matters.

At the time I was convinced West Virginia would finally get the ACC spot. I had also convinced myself the XII was going back to 12 with TCU, Houston, Louisville, and Cincinnati.
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RE: Its fall of 2010 and B12 is losing 4 members. Why not add WV @ Louisville?
(12-18-2019 11:33 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(12-18-2019 08:50 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-13-2019 08:30 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-12-2019 06:42 PM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  
(12-12-2019 06:20 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  None of the schools other than TCU made any kind of sense. UConn, Cincy, WVU, and Louisville all have nothing in common with the Big 12.

But the Big 12 was desperate and WVU was a flagship with the best football at the time, so they were the best choice.

Still doesn't make any sense for them to be in the Big 12, but that's life.

I was referring to the ACC backfill

UConn did make more sense than Louisville, in a grand scheme. State flagship, better university, actually on the Atlantic Coast.

But, two things killed UConn with the ACC - animosity over the 2003 era lawsuit, and lousy football at a time when the football powers were worried and disgruntled.

Yes. It was a surprise the snitty ACC would deem to take Louisville over a state flagship. But football matters.

At the time I was convinced West Virginia would finally get the ACC spot. I had also convinced myself the XII was going back to 12 with TCU, Houston, Louisville, and Cincinnati.

But WVU had already joined the Big 12 by the time the ACC spot for Louisville opened up.
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RE: Its fall of 2010 and B12 is losing 4 members. Why not add WV @ Louisville?
(12-12-2019 02:05 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I’ll always wonder why the b12 went with (MWC) TCU and (BE) West Virginia only.
It should of been WV and Big East rival Louisville.
Not another Texas school.
But if they were so hung hung on TCU...add them WV, Louisville & Cincinnati
for a true 12, Big 12.

Big 12 North
Cincinnati
WV
Louisville
Iowa St
KU
KSU

Big 12 South
OSU
OU
TCU
Baylor
Texas Tech
Texas
Damn fine hoops and more markets

Yeah I don't get why they didn't grab TCU and the three best programs in a BCS conference. WVU isn't on an island, you have built in rivalries BBall gets even better and the conference is on stabler ground. Even if 2-4 more teams leave later on the other 10-8 have a strong nucleus in place to stay afloat. Now with 10 teams if 4 leave thats a much harder rebuild and less likely to keep top tier status.
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RE: Its fall of 2010 and B12 is losing 4 members. Why not add WV @ Louisville?
(12-18-2019 08:50 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-13-2019 08:30 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-12-2019 06:42 PM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  
(12-12-2019 06:20 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-12-2019 06:11 PM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  Im still wondering why many people thought that Uconn over Louisville made sense. Their basketball prowess is essentially equal and Louisville had wayyy better football

None of the schools other than TCU made any kind of sense. UConn, Cincy, WVU, and Louisville all have nothing in common with the Big 12.

But the Big 12 was desperate and WVU was a flagship with the best football at the time, so they were the best choice.

Still doesn't make any sense for them to be in the Big 12, but that's life.

I was referring to the ACC backfill

UConn did make more sense than Louisville, in a grand scheme. State flagship, better university, actually on the Atlantic Coast.

But, two things killed UConn with the ACC - animosity over the 2003 era lawsuit, and lousy football at a time when the football powers were worried and disgruntled.

Yes. It was a surprise the snitty ACC would deem to take Louisville over a state flagship. But football matters.

The lawsuit was UConn's coffin nail.
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RE: Its fall of 2010 and B12 is losing 4 members. Why not add WV @ Louisville?
(12-19-2019 07:55 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(12-18-2019 08:50 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-13-2019 08:30 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-12-2019 06:42 PM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  
(12-12-2019 06:20 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  None of the schools other than TCU made any kind of sense. UConn, Cincy, WVU, and Louisville all have nothing in common with the Big 12.

But the Big 12 was desperate and WVU was a flagship with the best football at the time, so they were the best choice.

Still doesn't make any sense for them to be in the Big 12, but that's life.

I was referring to the ACC backfill

UConn did make more sense than Louisville, in a grand scheme. State flagship, better university, actually on the Atlantic Coast.

But, two things killed UConn with the ACC - animosity over the 2003 era lawsuit, and lousy football at a time when the football powers were worried and disgruntled.

Yes. It was a surprise the snitty ACC would deem to take Louisville over a state flagship. But football matters.

The lawsuit was UConn's coffin nail.

If the B12 had taken the ‘Ville first you think the ACC would have called up the ‘Eers over UConn? While football would trump all other considerations, the animus Tobacco Road has towards WVU might have broken the conference.
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RE: Its fall of 2010 and B12 is losing 4 members. Why not add WV @ Louisville?
(12-18-2019 08:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-13-2019 05:46 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Todge is correct. In July of 2011, The Big 12 had quietly approached UofL about joining. Tom Jurich told them thanks but no thanks. This is from August 2011.

https://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.co...nt-page-1/

BTW I challenge anyone to find an article before September 2011 that mentions WVU. Matter of fact you’ll find Pitt mentioned before WVU. The first articles we saw here in Louisville were UofL and Pitt to The Big 12

You're under the delusion that WVU and UL were equals. WVU was a much stronger football program at that point in time. They were very good in the 90s and 2000s. They won 3 BCS bowls from 2005-2011. They were an upset against Pitt in the final game from playing in the BCS title game in 2007. Louisville was just a few years since they were promoted from CUSA.

Again...find me a media report that says WVU was considered ahead of Louisville for Big 12 membership. I’ll wait.
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RE: Its fall of 2010 and B12 is losing 4 members. Why not add WV @ Louisville?
(12-19-2019 09:50 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(12-18-2019 08:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-13-2019 05:46 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Todge is correct. In July of 2011, The Big 12 had quietly approached UofL about joining. Tom Jurich told them thanks but no thanks. This is from August 2011.

https://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.co...nt-page-1/

BTW I challenge anyone to find an article before September 2011 that mentions WVU. Matter of fact you’ll find Pitt mentioned before WVU. The first articles we saw here in Louisville were UofL and Pitt to The Big 12

You're under the delusion that WVU and UL were equals. WVU was a much stronger football program at that point in time. They were very good in the 90s and 2000s. They won 3 BCS bowls from 2005-2011. They were an upset against Pitt in the final game from playing in the BCS title game in 2007. Louisville was just a few years since they were promoted from CUSA.

Again...find me a media report that says WVU was considered ahead of Louisville for Big 12 membership. I’ll wait.

The end result makes it obvious along w McConnell’s lobbying
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RE: Its fall of 2010 and B12 is losing 4 members. Why not add WV @ Louisville?
(12-19-2019 02:15 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-19-2019 09:50 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(12-18-2019 08:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-13-2019 05:46 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Todge is correct. In July of 2011, The Big 12 had quietly approached UofL about joining. Tom Jurich told them thanks but no thanks. This is from August 2011.

https://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.co...nt-page-1/

BTW I challenge anyone to find an article before September 2011 that mentions WVU. Matter of fact you’ll find Pitt mentioned before WVU. The first articles we saw here in Louisville were UofL and Pitt to The Big 12

You're under the delusion that WVU and UL were equals. WVU was a much stronger football program at that point in time. They were very good in the 90s and 2000s. They won 3 BCS bowls from 2005-2011. They were an upset against Pitt in the final game from playing in the BCS title game in 2007. Louisville was just a few years since they were promoted from CUSA.

Again...find me a media report that says WVU was considered ahead of Louisville for Big 12 membership. I’ll wait.

The end result makes it obvious along w McConnell’s lobbying

Louisville was approached in July 2011 about joining The Big 12. Tom Jurich quietly said thanks but no thanks. The linked article above from August 2011 mentions that fact. You will find no mention of WVU in connection with The Big 12 until Louisville (and Pittsburgh) said no.

Again “the end result” and “McConnell’s lobbying” took place well after the events I have documented.

Still waiting for a media report proving The Big 12 approached WVU before 8/11; I’ll wait.
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RE: Its fall of 2010 and B12 is losing 4 members. Why not add WV @ Louisville?
(12-19-2019 06:51 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(12-19-2019 02:15 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-19-2019 09:50 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(12-18-2019 08:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-13-2019 05:46 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Todge is correct. In July of 2011, The Big 12 had quietly approached UofL about joining. Tom Jurich told them thanks but no thanks. This is from August 2011.

https://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.co...nt-page-1/

BTW I challenge anyone to find an article before September 2011 that mentions WVU. Matter of fact you’ll find Pitt mentioned before WVU. The first articles we saw here in Louisville were UofL and Pitt to The Big 12

You're under the delusion that WVU and UL were equals. WVU was a much stronger football program at that point in time. They were very good in the 90s and 2000s. They won 3 BCS bowls from 2005-2011. They were an upset against Pitt in the final game from playing in the BCS title game in 2007. Louisville was just a few years since they were promoted from CUSA.

Again...find me a media report that says WVU was considered ahead of Louisville for Big 12 membership. I’ll wait.

The end result makes it obvious along w McConnell’s lobbying

Louisville was approached in July 2011 about joining The Big 12. Tom Jurich quietly said thanks but no thanks. The linked article above from August 2011 mentions that fact. You will find no mention of WVU in connection with The Big 12 until Louisville (and Pittsburgh) said no.

Again “the end result” and “McConnell’s lobbying” took place well after the events I have documented.

Still waiting for a media report proving The Big 12 approached WVU before 8/11; I’ll wait.

Many years have passed and many beers drank but I thought Lville said they would were going to honor their commitment to the Big East and wait the 24-27 months or whatever it was. WVU was willing to pay the early exit fee so they could join a P5 conference.

Sorry if my memory is incorrect.
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RE: Its fall of 2010 and B12 is losing 4 members. Why not add WV @ Louisville?
(12-19-2019 06:51 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(12-19-2019 02:15 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-19-2019 09:50 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(12-18-2019 08:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-13-2019 05:46 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Todge is correct. In July of 2011, The Big 12 had quietly approached UofL about joining. Tom Jurich told them thanks but no thanks. This is from August 2011.

https://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.co...nt-page-1/

BTW I challenge anyone to find an article before September 2011 that mentions WVU. Matter of fact you’ll find Pitt mentioned before WVU. The first articles we saw here in Louisville were UofL and Pitt to The Big 12

You're under the delusion that WVU and UL were equals. WVU was a much stronger football program at that point in time. They were very good in the 90s and 2000s. They won 3 BCS bowls from 2005-2011. They were an upset against Pitt in the final game from playing in the BCS title game in 2007. Louisville was just a few years since they were promoted from CUSA.

Again...find me a media report that says WVU was considered ahead of Louisville for Big 12 membership. I’ll wait.

The end result makes it obvious along w McConnell’s lobbying

Louisville was approached in July 2011 about joining The Big 12. Tom Jurich quietly said thanks but no thanks. The linked article above from August 2011 mentions that fact. You will find no mention of WVU in connection with The Big 12 until Louisville (and Pittsburgh) said no.

Again “the end result” and “McConnell’s lobbying” took place well after the events I have documented.

Still waiting for a media report proving The Big 12 approached WVU before 8/11; I’ll wait.

You can't prove a negative. But you can point out how self-serving UL's AD would be with his story. And how nonsensical it is. The most nonsensical part is that the school that would hire Pitinio and Petrino is somehow more virtuous than anyone else.
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RE: Its fall of 2010 and B12 is losing 4 members. Why not add WV @ Louisville?
(12-19-2019 08:08 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-19-2019 06:51 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(12-19-2019 02:15 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-19-2019 09:50 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(12-18-2019 08:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  You're under the delusion that WVU and UL were equals. WVU was a much stronger football program at that point in time. They were very good in the 90s and 2000s. They won 3 BCS bowls from 2005-2011. They were an upset against Pitt in the final game from playing in the BCS title game in 2007. Louisville was just a few years since they were promoted from CUSA.

Again...find me a media report that says WVU was considered ahead of Louisville for Big 12 membership. I’ll wait.

The end result makes it obvious along w McConnell’s lobbying

Louisville was approached in July 2011 about joining The Big 12. Tom Jurich quietly said thanks but no thanks. The linked article above from August 2011 mentions that fact. You will find no mention of WVU in connection with The Big 12 until Louisville (and Pittsburgh) said no.

Again “the end result” and “McConnell’s lobbying” took place well after the events I have documented.

Still waiting for a media report proving The Big 12 approached WVU before 8/11; I’ll wait.

You can't prove a negative. But you can point out how self-serving UL's AD would be with his story. And how nonsensical it is. The most nonsensical part is that the school that would hire Pitinio and Petrino is somehow more virtuous than anyone else.

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(12-19-2019 08:08 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-19-2019 06:51 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(12-19-2019 02:15 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-19-2019 09:50 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(12-18-2019 08:48 PM)bullet Wrote:  You're under the delusion that WVU and UL were equals. WVU was a much stronger football program at that point in time. They were very good in the 90s and 2000s. They won 3 BCS bowls from 2005-2011. They were an upset against Pitt in the final game from playing in the BCS title game in 2007. Louisville was just a few years since they were promoted from CUSA.

Again...find me a media report that says WVU was considered ahead of Louisville for Big 12 membership. I’ll wait.

The end result makes it obvious along w McConnell’s lobbying

Louisville was approached in July 2011 about joining The Big 12. Tom Jurich quietly said thanks but no thanks. The linked article above from August 2011 mentions that fact. You will find no mention of WVU in connection with The Big 12 until Louisville (and Pittsburgh) said no.

Again “the end result” and “McConnell’s lobbying” took place well after the events I have documented.

Still waiting for a media report proving The Big 12 approached WVU before 8/11; I’ll wait.

You can't prove a negative. But you can point out how self-serving UL's AD would be with his story. And how nonsensical it is. The most nonsensical part is that the school that would hire Pitinio and Petrino is somehow more virtuous than anyone else.

Since you can’t find any evidence to prove your position you try to change the narrative. Typical LPT fan...
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(12-19-2019 09:40 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(12-19-2019 07:55 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(12-18-2019 08:50 PM)bullet Wrote:  
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(12-12-2019 06:42 PM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  I was referring to the ACC backfill

UConn did make more sense than Louisville, in a grand scheme. State flagship, better university, actually on the Atlantic Coast.

But, two things killed UConn with the ACC - animosity over the 2003 era lawsuit, and lousy football at a time when the football powers were worried and disgruntled.

Yes. It was a surprise the snitty ACC would deem to take Louisville over a state flagship. But football matters.

The lawsuit was UConn's coffin nail.

If the B12 had taken the ‘Ville first you think the ACC would have called up the ‘Eers over UConn? While football would trump all other considerations, the animus Tobacco Road has towards WVU might have broken the conference.

We would have taken ESPN's suggestion (what ever that would have been, just like we took their suggestion to invite Louisville when Maryland left).
After Maryland left only UVa -23 games (and to a much lesser extent NCSU -10 games) had had much football history with West Virginia out of the original ACC + GT.
Carolina had only played them twice, and both games in bowls.
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(12-20-2019 06:43 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(12-19-2019 08:08 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-19-2019 06:51 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  
(12-19-2019 02:15 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-19-2019 09:50 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Again...find me a media report that says WVU was considered ahead of Louisville for Big 12 membership. I’ll wait.

The end result makes it obvious along w McConnell’s lobbying

Louisville was approached in July 2011 about joining The Big 12. Tom Jurich quietly said thanks but no thanks. The linked article above from August 2011 mentions that fact. You will find no mention of WVU in connection with The Big 12 until Louisville (and Pittsburgh) said no.

Again “the end result” and “McConnell’s lobbying” took place well after the events I have documented.

Still waiting for a media report proving The Big 12 approached WVU before 8/11; I’ll wait.

You can't prove a negative. But you can point out how self-serving UL's AD would be with his story. And how nonsensical it is. The most nonsensical part is that the school that would hire Pitinio and Petrino is somehow more virtuous than anyone else.

Since you can’t find any evidence to prove your position you try to change the narrative. Typical LPT fan...

You seem to lack the ability to understand I didn't change the subject. I just pointed out how absurd the UL's ADs story that you swallow whole is. I'm not going to waste time trying to disprove a ridiculous idea.
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(12-12-2019 02:32 PM)XLance Wrote:  With TCU and West Virginia in the fold Texas' Deloss Dodds had Louisville in his sights......ESPN had other ideas.
Conference realignment comments begin at 19:30.


Dodds is gone.

The deal that was in the works in 2010-1 to which he refers here is dead thanks to rejection by Carolina and other Tobacco Road schools.

ESPN was forced into extreme measures to counter the failure of it.

Texas politics is different now and they are requesting something else.

But don't let the failures of your own, or the passage of time, or the changing of circumstances, interfere with a pipe dream.

And by the way his reference was only cryptic and could have been interpreted as other.

All ESPN cares about is landing them fully and rolling the LHN into something more profitable.
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What's obvious is the Big 12 was and still is shortsighted. At a time where you needed a minimum of 12 to keep a conference championship game, getting back to 12 makes the most sense, as does expanding your conference footprint east, as does increasing your basketball prowess. All of this could have been achieved by adding TCU, Cincinnati, Louisville, and WVU to get back to 12. Even now.. the conference SHOULD be looking to UCF, USF, Memphis, and Cincinnati to get to 14 (matching other P5s and moving into large TV markets and new recruiting areas).

Again. The Big 12 has been very shortsighted with their moves (or lack thereof) over the last decade and here we are, all waiting for the mid 2020s to see if any major players leave or if the Big 12 stays put with their current 10 (leaving WVU on an island) and almost exclusively in the central time zone.
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RE: Its fall of 2010 and B12 is losing 4 members. Why not add WV @ Louisville?
(01-06-2020 05:02 PM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  What's obvious is the Big 12 was and still is shortsighted. At a time where you needed a minimum of 12 to keep a conference championship game, getting back to 12 makes the most sense, as does expanding your conference footprint east, as does increasing your basketball prowess. All of this could have been achieved by adding TCU, Cincinnati, Louisville, and WVU to get back to 12. Even now.. the conference SHOULD be looking to UCF, USF, Memphis, and Cincinnati to get to 14 (matching other P5s and moving into large TV markets and new recruiting areas).

Again. The Big 12 has been very shortsighted with their moves (or lack thereof) over the last decade and here we are, all waiting for the mid 2020s to see if any major players leave or if the Big 12 stays put with their current 10 (leaving WVU on an island) and almost exclusively in the central time zone.

"Yeah but those are 'city/directional schools'.... number of beds on campus... moving needles... would water down the conference.... blah, blah, blah".

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"What happened. We used to be in a conference with Texas and Oklahoma. Now we are on the outside looking in."

- Same guy in 2025.
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RE: Its fall of 2010 and B12 is losing 4 members. Why not add WV @ Louisville?
(01-06-2020 05:09 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(01-06-2020 05:02 PM)Once a Knight... Wrote:  What's obvious is the Big 12 was and still is shortsighted. At a time where you needed a minimum of 12 to keep a conference championship game, getting back to 12 makes the most sense, as does expanding your conference footprint east, as does increasing your basketball prowess. All of this could have been achieved by adding TCU, Cincinnati, Louisville, and WVU to get back to 12. Even now.. the conference SHOULD be looking to UCF, USF, Memphis, and Cincinnati to get to 14 (matching other P5s and moving into large TV markets and new recruiting areas).

Again. The Big 12 has been very shortsighted with their moves (or lack thereof) over the last decade and here we are, all waiting for the mid 2020s to see if any major players leave or if the Big 12 stays put with their current 10 (leaving WVU on an island) and almost exclusively in the central time zone.

"Yeah but those are 'city/directional schools'.... number of beds on campus... moving needles... would water down the conference.... blah, blah, blah".

-Big Twelve Fan The Past 10 years



"What happened. We used to be in a conference with Texas and Oklahoma. Now we are on the outside looking in."

- Same guy in 2025.

Yeah, I know. Their shortsightedness and pridefulness will be their downfall. Texas and OU have nothing to worry about as they are highly desired, the others I feel may be playing on borrowed time. We'll see how it all shakes out though. Hopefully when the TV numbers for 2025/26 show up they will realize they need to expand.
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