(12-13-2019 11:39 AM)YNot Wrote:  I see two reasonable options:

1) NY6 Quarterfinal Bowls played the Saturday before New Year's Day. NY6 Semifinal Bowls played the following Saturday or Monday that is at least one week later. This year, the Quarterfinal Bowls would be played on December 28 and the Semifinal Bowls could be played on January 4. National Championship game could still be played on Monday, January 13.

EDIT: There are just two NFL Wild Card games on January 4, so you could find the TV slots for the CFP semifinal games. OR, play them on Monday, January 6.

2) NY6 Quarterfinal Bowl are played on New Year's Day. The semifinal bowls are played on the first Friday, Saturday or Monday that is at least one week after New Year's. The national championship game is held on the first Monday that is at least one week after the semifinals. So, this year, the four Quarterfinal Bowls are held on January 1 and the semifinals could be held on Saturday, January 11. The national championship game could be held on Monday, January 20.

EDIT: There are just two NFL Divisional playoff games on January 11, so you find the TV slots for the CFP games. Or, play one on Friday night and one on Saturday, around the NFL schedule. Or, play on Monday, January 13.

Just one week later fro the national championship game and you move the NY6 bowls back to New Year's Day.

Go to Fox or ESPN with that TV proposal. You will be laughed out of the building. Two football games on Monday, or Friday night? Maybe we should have simultaneous semifinals airing in the noon slot on Saturday leading up to NFL WC or divisional weekend... wow.

The only weekend that is open in January is the Saturday prior to NFL Championship Sunday. Then the bye week before the Superbowl. So basically you have 15 and 16 game schedules for the finalists which spills into the Spring semester.

I have yet to see one TV proposal that doesn't **** over Army Navy or solve the problem of finding time slots.

delaney will be gone soon, he has made a lot of decisions that he soon after expresses he might wish to change (leaders/legends, 9 conference games, and CCG rules) and while adding Maryland and RU has paid off so far who knows how far into the future that is really the case

he is hardly the one that people should give great credibility to when it comes to making decisions for all of the P5

(12-13-2019 06:20 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  delaney will be gone soon, he has made a lot of decisions that he soon after expresses he might wish to change (leaders/legends, 9 conference games, and CCG rules) and while adding Maryland and RU has paid off so far who knows how far into the future that is really the case

he is hardly the one that people should give great credibility to when it comes to making decisions for all of the P5

His playing up the obstructionist thing made the conference quite rich. I doubt that dramatically changes with his replacement. And it sounds like his perspective was aligned with many of the members.

(12-13-2019 05:58 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 11:39 AM)YNot Wrote:  I see two reasonable options:

1) NY6 Quarterfinal Bowls played the Saturday before New Year's Day. NY6 Semifinal Bowls played the following Saturday or Monday that is at least one week later. This year, the Quarterfinal Bowls would be played on December 28 and the Semifinal Bowls could be played on January 4. National Championship game could still be played on Monday, January 13.

EDIT: There are just two NFL Wild Card games on January 4, so you could find the TV slots for the CFP semifinal games. OR, play them on Monday, January 6.

2) NY6 Quarterfinal Bowl are played on New Year's Day. The semifinal bowls are played on the first Friday, Saturday or Monday that is at least one week after New Year's. The national championship game is held on the first Monday that is at least one week after the semifinals. So, this year, the four Quarterfinal Bowls are held on January 1 and the semifinals could be held on Saturday, January 11. The national championship game could be held on Monday, January 20.

EDIT: There are just two NFL Divisional playoff games on January 11, so you find the TV slots for the CFP games. Or, play one on Friday night and one on Saturday, around the NFL schedule. Or, play on Monday, January 13.

Just one week later fro the national championship game and you move the NY6 bowls back to New Year's Day.

Go to Fox or ESPN with that TV proposal. You will be laughed out of the building. Two football games on Monday, or Friday night? Maybe we should have simultaneous semifinals airing in the noon slot on Saturday leading up to NFL WC or divisional weekend... wow.

The only weekend that is open in January is the Saturday prior to NFL Championship Sunday. Then the bye week before the Superbowl. So basically you have 15 and 16 game schedules for the finalists which spills into the Spring semester.

I have yet to see one TV proposal that doesn't **** over Army Navy or solve the problem of finding time slots.

**** over Army and Navy?!? That game was never an exclusive for their own weekend until recently. The SEC title game used to be that day, Hawaii always played then, and a smattering of other teams depending on the year.

Navy joined a conference that wants to have a championship game. They’re controlling when they can play Army and they keep bumping it back.

I’m all for Army-Navy having their own time slot, but they don’t need their own special weekend.

Quite. Army/Navy as a special game on that weekend is a modern thing. It could just as well be played on the Third Saturday in October if there are Quarterfinals to be played that weekend.

I didn't read it all but lets say there was an 8 team w/ the current conf. lineup and the 5,2,1 rule

1.LSU v 8.Memphis
4.Oklahoma v 5.Georgia
3.Clemson v 6.Oregon
2.Ohio St. v 7.Baylor

So #5, #7 were the at larges. If they went to the 4x16 conf. then 4,3,1 rule would take place opening another at large.

(12-14-2019 07:24 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  I didn't read it all but lets say there was an 8 team w/ the current conf. lineup and the 5,2,1 rule

1.LSU v 8.Memphis
4.Oklahoma v 5.Georgia
3.Clemson v 6.Oregon
2.Ohio St. v 7.Baylor

So #5, #7 were the at larges. If they went to the 4x16 conf. then 4,3,1 rule would take place opening another at large.

The P5 can put a stop to expansion if they get an 8 team playoff with P5 auto-bids. There’s no more incentive to move.

(12-14-2019 07:24 AM)Fresno St. Alum Wrote:  I didn't read it all but lets say there was an 8 team w/ the current conf. lineup and the 5,2,1 rule

1.LSU v 8.Memphis
4.Oklahoma v 5.Georgia
3.Clemson v 6.Oregon
2.Ohio St. v 7.Baylor

So #5, #7 were the at larges. If they went to the 4x16 conf. then 4,3,1 rule would take place opening another at large.

5-2-1 is a G5 pipedream......so is 4-3-1.
When we get to a P4, the G schools will have to start their own playoff. It creates more opportunities for the networks to make money and will eliminate any committee's selection of a playoff participant.

Under the 5-1-2 plan there is no need for 16 team conferences. We've already lost enough rivalries, so let's forget megaconferences.

(12-14-2019 11:04 AM)westwolf Wrote:  Under the 5-1-2 plan there is no need for 16 team conferences. We've already lost enough rivalries, so let's forget megaconferences.

I agree. But, then, something was going to give when the conferences expanded past ten to begin with. It wasn’t in the front of many’s minds. Schools willingly turned their back on others and fan interests. I would hope there is regret on that front now, but I doubt it.

And if you have a Texas, Oklahoma, or Kansas available...it’s going to grow again. These conferences just can’t resist.

(12-14-2019 11:11 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 11:04 AM)westwolf Wrote:  Under the 5-1-2 plan there is no need for 16 team conferences. We've already lost enough rivalries, so let's forget megaconferences.

I agree. But, then, something was going to give when the conferences expanded past ten to begin with. It wasn’t in the front of many’s minds. Schools willingly turned their back on others and fan interests. I would hope there is regret on that front now, but I doubt it.

And if you have a Texas, Oklahoma, or Kansas available...it’s going to grow again. These conferences just can’t resist.

Idk, 12 seemed to work quite well. The ACC was the first to go to 14 and started all this garbage.

(12-14-2019 11:32 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 11:11 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 11:04 AM)westwolf Wrote:  Under the 5-1-2 plan there is no need for 16 team conferences. We've already lost enough rivalries, so let's forget megaconferences.

I agree. But, then, something was going to give when the conferences expanded past ten to begin with. It wasn’t in the front of many’s minds. Schools willingly turned their back on others and fan interests. I would hope there is regret on that front now, but I doubt it.

And if you have a Texas, Oklahoma, or Kansas available...it’s going to grow again. These conferences just can’t resist.

Idk, 12 seemed to work quite well. The ACC was the first to go to 14 and started all this garbage.

Wasn’t separation from some of the traditional rivals one of (the many) reasons Maryland was unhappy?

(12-13-2019 05:58 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(12-13-2019 11:39 AM)YNot Wrote:  I see two reasonable options:

1) NY6 Quarterfinal Bowls played the Saturday before New Year's Day. NY6 Semifinal Bowls played the following Saturday or Monday that is at least one week later. This year, the Quarterfinal Bowls would be played on December 28 and the Semifinal Bowls could be played on January 4. National Championship game could still be played on Monday, January 13.

EDIT: There are just two NFL Wild Card games on January 4, so you could find the TV slots for the CFP semifinal games. OR, play them on Monday, January 6.

2) NY6 Quarterfinal Bowl are played on New Year's Day. The semifinal bowls are played on the first Friday, Saturday or Monday that is at least one week after New Year's. The national championship game is held on the first Monday that is at least one week after the semifinals. So, this year, the four Quarterfinal Bowls are held on January 1 and the semifinals could be held on Saturday, January 11. The national championship game could be held on Monday, January 20.

EDIT: There are just two NFL Divisional playoff games on January 11, so you find the TV slots for the CFP games. Or, play one on Friday night and one on Saturday, around the NFL schedule. Or, play on Monday, January 13.

Just one week later fro the national championship game and you move the NY6 bowls back to New Year's Day.

Go to Fox or ESPN with that TV proposal. You will be laughed out of the building. Two football games on Monday, or Friday night? Maybe we should have simultaneous semifinals airing in the noon slot on Saturday leading up to NFL WC or divisional weekend... wow.

The only weekend that is open in January is the Saturday prior to NFL Championship Sunday. Then the bye week before the Superbowl. So basically you have 15 and 16 game schedules for the finalists which spills into the Spring semester.

I have yet to see one TV proposal that doesn't **** over Army Navy or solve the problem of finding time slots.

Army-Navy played during the regular season like everybody else for over 100 years. This late game was invented 15-20 years ago. Nobody is messing with Army-Navy. That is absolutely the most ridiculous complaint about the timing.

(12-13-2019 06:20 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  delaney will be gone soon, he has made a lot of decisions that he soon after expresses he might wish to change (leaders/legends, 9 conference games, and CCG rules) and while adding Maryland and RU has paid off so far who knows how far into the future that is really the case

he is hardly the one that people should give great credibility to when it comes to making decisions for all of the P5

If the SEC and B$G are aligned on something, it will almost certainly happen. When the 4 team playoff happened, Delaney and Slive got together and worked it out and presented it to the rest.

If they are split, then things can go one way or the other. But those two conferences have the most financial power and when united, can call the shots. That won't change with a change in commissioners.

(12-14-2019 11:04 AM)westwolf Wrote:  Under the 5-1-2 plan there is no need for 16 team conferences. We've already lost enough rivalries, so let's forget megaconferences.

14 is too many. 12 is a good number. 10-12 is the sweet spot. Enough to sponsor all the minor sports, enough to give you a variety of opponents, enough to have somebody good in a given year and not too many that you rarely see other members and not too many that conference titles are few and far between.

(12-14-2019 11:32 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 11:11 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 11:04 AM)westwolf Wrote:  Under the 5-1-2 plan there is no need for 16 team conferences. We've already lost enough rivalries, so let's forget megaconferences.

I agree. But, then, something was going to give when the conferences expanded past ten to begin with. It wasn’t in the front of many’s minds. Schools willingly turned their back on others and fan interests. I would hope there is regret on that front now, but I doubt it.

And if you have a Texas, Oklahoma, or Kansas available...it’s going to grow again. These conferences just can’t resist.

Idk, 12 seemed to work quite well. The ACC was the first to go to 14 and started all this garbage.

SEC beat them to it by a few weeks. See the SU fan's thread: https://www.csnbbs.com/thread-890292.html

It is all about conference networks on a forced pay model that is going away. They made "100 year decisions" on a 15 year product delivery model.

(12-14-2019 12:38 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 11:32 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 11:11 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 11:04 AM)westwolf Wrote:  Under the 5-1-2 plan there is no need for 16 team conferences. We've already lost enough rivalries, so let's forget megaconferences.

I agree. But, then, something was going to give when the conferences expanded past ten to begin with. It wasn’t in the front of many’s minds. Schools willingly turned their back on others and fan interests. I would hope there is regret on that front now, but I doubt it.

And if you have a Texas, Oklahoma, or Kansas available...it’s going to grow again. These conferences just can’t resist.

Idk, 12 seemed to work quite well. The ACC was the first to go to 14 and started all this garbage.

SEC beat them to it by a few weeks. See the SU fan's thread: https://www.csnbbs.com/thread-890292.html

It is all about conference networks on a forced pay model that is going away. They made "100 year decisions" on a 15 year product delivery model.

And the SEC did just fine with A&M no matter what model we move to. The additions by the Big 10 (Rutgers and Maryland) and the ACC (Syracuse and Pitt) and the disposition of Missouri by the SEC may be market additions that don't pan out in the long haul. But no school is getting kicked out of any of those conferences and I sincerely doubt the SEC is handicapped in anyway when the next rights deal to replace or renew the CBS contract is completed.

(12-14-2019 12:38 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 11:32 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 11:11 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 11:04 AM)westwolf Wrote:  Under the 5-1-2 plan there is no need for 16 team conferences. We've already lost enough rivalries, so let's forget megaconferences.

I agree. But, then, something was going to give when the conferences expanded past ten to begin with. It wasn’t in the front of many’s minds. Schools willingly turned their back on others and fan interests. I would hope there is regret on that front now, but I doubt it.

And if you have a Texas, Oklahoma, or Kansas available...it’s going to grow again. These conferences just can’t resist.

Idk, 12 seemed to work quite well. The ACC was the first to go to 14 and started all this garbage.

SEC beat them to it by a few weeks. See the SU fan's thread: https://www.csnbbs.com/thread-890292.html

It is all about conference networks on a forced pay model that is going away. They made "100 year decisions" on a 15 year product delivery model.

Ah, thanks, I didn’t remember that.

I agree about the “100 year decisions”.

I also agree with Jr., that nobody is heading back at this point.

The best case at this stage is to allow the conferences autonomy in setting up their CCG. It will at least rekindle rivalries within the conferences: UNC-Wake, Duke-State, BC-Miami, SU-Miami, UF-Auburn, Bama-Vandy (lol), and the legions of Big Ten trophy games.

I don’t think a P4 is necessary, nor will it happen unless Texas and Notre Dame want it to. Oklahoma may go off on their own, but there is no reason why Texas gives up running their own P5 conference. They’re Texas, the biggest ego in the whole damn country!

(12-14-2019 12:49 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 12:38 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 11:32 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 11:11 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 11:04 AM)westwolf Wrote:  Under the 5-1-2 plan there is no need for 16 team conferences. We've already lost enough rivalries, so let's forget megaconferences.

I agree. But, then, something was going to give when the conferences expanded past ten to begin with. It wasn’t in the front of many’s minds. Schools willingly turned their back on others and fan interests. I would hope there is regret on that front now, but I doubt it.

And if you have a Texas, Oklahoma, or Kansas available...it’s going to grow again. These conferences just can’t resist.

Idk, 12 seemed to work quite well. The ACC was the first to go to 14 and started all this garbage.

SEC beat them to it by a few weeks. See the SU fan's thread: https://www.csnbbs.com/thread-890292.html

It is all about conference networks on a forced pay model that is going away. They made "100 year decisions" on a 15 year product delivery model.

And the SEC did just fine with A&M no matter what model we move to. The additions by the Big 10 (Rutgers and Maryland) and the ACC (Syracuse and Pitt) and the disposition of Missouri by the SEC may be market additions that don't pan out in the long haul. But no school is getting kicked out of any of those conferences and I sincerely doubt the SEC is handicapped in anyway when the next rights deal to replace or renew the CBS contract is completed.

While I agree that no school is going to get kicked out of their conference home, I can see instances where individual schools may enter a transfer portal to move to another conference home.
If the Big 12 comes out of 2025 unscathed, Missouri and Nebraska are possibilities to transfer back (perhaps Colorado too) or Missouri may entertain a move to the B1G.
FSU might have to look toward the SEC to regain their lost mojo, while Kentucky and Vanderbilt might find better cultural fits in another conference.
As long as the networks can increase their profits regardless of the configurations, they are apt to help rather than hinder these moves.

(12-14-2019 01:40 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 12:49 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 12:38 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 11:32 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(12-14-2019 11:11 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  I agree. But, then, something was going to give when the conferences expanded past ten to begin with. It wasn’t in the front of many’s minds. Schools willingly turned their back on others and fan interests. I would hope there is regret on that front now, but I doubt it.

And if you have a Texas, Oklahoma, or Kansas available...it’s going to grow again. These conferences just can’t resist.

Idk, 12 seemed to work quite well. The ACC was the first to go to 14 and started all this garbage.

SEC beat them to it by a few weeks. See the SU fan's thread: https://www.csnbbs.com/thread-890292.html

It is all about conference networks on a forced pay model that is going away. They made "100 year decisions" on a 15 year product delivery model.

And the SEC did just fine with A&M no matter what model we move to. The additions by the Big 10 (Rutgers and Maryland) and the ACC (Syracuse and Pitt) and the disposition of Missouri by the SEC may be market additions that don't pan out in the long haul. But no school is getting kicked out of any of those conferences and I sincerely doubt the SEC is handicapped in anyway when the next rights deal to replace or renew the CBS contract is completed.

While I agree that no school is going to get kicked out of their conference home, I can see instances where individual schools may enter a transfer portal to move to another conference home.
If the Big 12 comes out of 2025 unscathed, Missouri and Nebraska are possibilities to transfer back (perhaps Colorado too) or Missouri may entertain a move to the B1G.
FSU might have to look toward the SEC to regain their lost mojo, while Kentucky and Vanderbilt might find better cultural fits in another conference.
As long as the networks can increase their profits regardless of the configurations, they are apt to help rather than hinder these moves.

Missouri will stay put for no other reason than with the death of the market footprint pay model they offer little in the way of content value to the Big 10. And the Big 10 didn't take them in 2010 for a variety of reasons not the least of which was that the Big 10 already penetrated both the Kansas City and St. Louis TV markets.

Vanderbilt and Kentucky aren't leaving the SEC either. If they were going to they would have done it before the SEC became an economic giant, not after.

Nobody is returning to the Big 12. Nebraska athletic supporters might wish to do so but the President and faculty certainly don't and a return to the Big 12 for them would not only mean a downgrade in academic company, but much less revenue as they are now receiving full shares of Big 10 money.

So no X, I just don't see that kind of movement. And FSU's problems are deeper than just athletic performance as there is an apparent divergence of vision between boosters and administration.