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RE: Delaney: 16 team conferences? 8 team playoff?
(12-11-2019 05:18 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Ross Dellenger

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A Power 5 AD in New York this week said a specific 8-team playoff model is circulating around the CFB world that would incorporate bowls, including a bowl-sponsored national championship game.

The model:
- 5 auto bids for P5 champs
- 2 at-large
- 1 Group of 5

Going back to the "double hosting" model for the championship game it sounds like.

I don't like the autobids. I would prefer a straight 8 with any undefeated team guaranteed a slot.
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RE: Delaney: 16 team conferences? 8 team playoff?
(12-11-2019 05:52 PM)ColumbusCard Wrote:  
(12-11-2019 05:36 PM)TTT Wrote:  
(12-11-2019 05:27 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(12-11-2019 05:18 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Ross Dellenger

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A Power 5 AD in New York this week said a specific 8-team playoff model is circulating around the CFB world that would incorporate bowls, including a bowl-sponsored national championship game.

The model:
- 5 auto bids for P5 champs
- 2 at-large
- 1 Group of 5

That should put the end to the ND to the ACC talk(it won't, it should though).

I actually think if they were to adopt this format then it would FORCE Notre Dame to join the ACC. Otherwise, they are at a disadvantage each year. What's tougher for Notre Dame? Winning the ACC or finishing the regular season ranked in the T8? I would think finishing in the T8 would be harder.

An odd statement to make considering the ACC champion has been ranked in the top 8 every year since 2011 non inclusive.

See my above statement. The point is, if they adopt this CFP Format...if you're ND and you don't join a conference, you're at the mercy of the at-large every year! If you join a conference, you have MORE control over your destiny vs staying independent. That's all.
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RE: Delaney: 16 team conferences? 8 team playoff?
(12-11-2019 05:36 PM)TTT Wrote:  
(12-11-2019 05:27 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(12-11-2019 05:18 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Ross Dellenger

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A Power 5 AD in New York this week said a specific 8-team playoff model is circulating around the CFB world that would incorporate bowls, including a bowl-sponsored national championship game.

The model:
- 5 auto bids for P5 champs
- 2 at-large
- 1 Group of 5

That should put the end to the ND to the ACC talk(it won't, it should though).

I actually think if they were to adopt this format then it would FORCE Notre Dame to join the ACC. Otherwise, they are at a disadvantage each year. What's tougher for Notre Dame? Winning the ACC or finishing the regular season ranked in the T8? I would think finishing in the T8 would be harder.

It won't force ND into the ACC, quite the opposite.

Why do people think ND will chuck its identity because being Indy is the harder path?

It won't. As long as A playoff path remains open to it (even harder than as an ACC member), ND will stay independent.
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RE: Delaney: 16 team conferences? 8 team playoff?
(12-11-2019 04:28 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I think the comment about the 8-team playoff is significantly more instructive than the one about 16 team conferences.

The Big Ten (and pretty much every other conference, for that matter) has always stated that they could expand for the "right fit" (e.g. they're not turning down Notre Dame, Texas, etc.). Nothing really changed based on Delany's comment there.

However, the Big Ten clearly pushed back on expanding the playoffs previously. Delany essentially said "Hell no!" to a 4-team playoff proposal up until the last moment and, after the CFP was instituted, his on-the-record comments have always been that they like the current 4-team system as-is. Whether it's Delany's personal opinion or if he's delivering the message that he's received from the Big Ten university presidents, he doesn't say anything about key issues such as the playoff system lightly. So, if the Big Ten says that they're open to an 8-team playoff, then that's a big deal because they have generally been the biggest obstacle to playoff expansion for decades.

Sankey was questioned on this last week. His response was essentially, "Hell no!" So I wouldn't say that Delaney was the biggest obstacle.
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(12-11-2019 05:47 PM)TTT Wrote:  
(12-11-2019 05:39 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(12-11-2019 05:36 PM)TTT Wrote:  
(12-11-2019 05:27 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(12-11-2019 05:18 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Ross Dellenger

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A Power 5 AD in New York this week said a specific 8-team playoff model is circulating around the CFB world that would incorporate bowls, including a bowl-sponsored national championship game.

The model:
- 5 auto bids for P5 champs
- 2 at-large
- 1 Group of 5

That should put the end to the ND to the ACC talk(it won't, it should though).

I actually think if they were to adopt this format then it would FORCE Notre Dame to join the ACC. Otherwise, they are at a disadvantage each year. What's tougher for Notre Dame? Winning the ACC or finishing the regular season ranked in the T8? I would think finishing in the T8 would be harder.
Doesn't matter. Do we have access? If yes, then we're good.

Correct me if I'm wrong but yes, it would absolutely matter.

Under this proposed format, if Notre Dame joins the ACC and wins the conference then it doesn't matter where they finish in the rankings...they are in the CFP regardless.

If Notre Dame stays independent and finishes ranked in the T8, that doesn't guarantee they are in the CFP.

If this CFP Format was adopted, the first thing I would do (if I was ND) was join a conference STAT!

But you are not ND and do not understand how it thinks, how it is run and what is important to it.

The easier path to the playoffs is not more important to ND than Independence is.
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RE: Delaney: 16 team conferences? 8 team playoff?
(12-11-2019 03:04 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  Big Ten commish Jim Delany on if we’ll ever see a 16-team FBS conference:
“I don’t think it’s outside the realm (of possibility)”
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RE: Delaney: 16 team conferences? 8 team playoff?
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(12-11-2019 05:18 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Ross Dellenger

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A Power 5 AD in New York this week said a specific 8-team playoff model is circulating around the CFB world that would incorporate bowls, including a bowl-sponsored national championship game.

The model:
- 5 auto bids for P5 champs
- 2 at-large
- 1 Group of 5

so pretty much the obvious model that everyone has been clamoring for.

I was about to say, it's not rocket science.
The hard details are --when do you play quarterfinals? before semifinal bowls? in the bowls, and extend the season more?
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He has no interest in 8 team playoff now that Ohio State made it this year.
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RE: Delaney: 16 team conferences? 8 team playoff?
(12-11-2019 05:18 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Ross Dellenger

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A Power 5 AD in New York this week said a specific 8-team playoff model is circulating around the CFB world that would incorporate bowls, including a bowl-sponsored national championship game.

The model:
- 5 auto bids for P5 champs
- 2 at-large
- 1 Group of 5

This is the model I’ve long advocated as a excellent compromise that could stand unchanged for decades. Not too big. Not too small. Multiple ways to get. Best of all—-it provides a legitimate access window for every team at the start of each year. Basically—for every team—it starts with winning your conference. I like that.
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RE: Delaney: 16 team conferences? 8 team playoff?
(12-11-2019 06:42 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(12-11-2019 05:36 PM)TTT Wrote:  
(12-11-2019 05:27 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(12-11-2019 05:18 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Ross Dellenger

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A Power 5 AD in New York this week said a specific 8-team playoff model is circulating around the CFB world that would incorporate bowls, including a bowl-sponsored national championship game.

The model:
- 5 auto bids for P5 champs
- 2 at-large
- 1 Group of 5

That should put the end to the ND to the ACC talk(it won't, it should though).

I actually think if they were to adopt this format then it would FORCE Notre Dame to join the ACC. Otherwise, they are at a disadvantage each year. What's tougher for Notre Dame? Winning the ACC or finishing the regular season ranked in the T8? I would think finishing in the T8 would be harder.

It won't force ND into the ACC, quite the opposite.

Why do people think ND will chuck its identity because being Indy is the harder path?

It won't. As long as A playoff path remains open to it (even harder than as an ACC member), ND will stay independent.

Exactly. It’s a clearer path for a P5 team—-but a typical P5 team is probably going to need to be 11-1 or undefeated most years to win your league—so it’s not really all that different. An 11-1/12-0 Notre Dame is almost certain to get a wildcard.
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RE: Delaney: 16 team conferences? 8 team playoff?
I still think it will still be CFP Committee picking top 8. If a champion is not in the top 8, they don't belong.
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RE: Delaney: 16 team conferences? 8 team playoff?
I can see the B1G going to 16 with 2 from OU/KU/UT. If that came to pass the ACC might take WVU under pressure from ESPN, or else I can see Texas joining as a 15th with ND as a de Facto 16th.

The SEC, I can't see taking anyone, unless it's Texas or Oklahoma. How could it happen?

B1G: Texas+ KU
SEC: OU + OK State
ACC: WVU and de facto ND as a 16th

The P12 would have to pick up four schools. What is left are Texas Tech, TCU, K State, Iowa State and Baylor, perhaps Colorado State from G5 could be elevated. Unless the CFP plus ESPN or other media guaranteed the P12 near equal money as the other conferences to go to 16, I can't see them doing it. Even 14 (TCU and Texas Tech) seems a stretch.

My instinct tells me conditions have changed and everyone will stand pat in 2025. Only OU could change that and they may decide not to do anything.
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RE: Delaney: 16 team conferences? 8 team playoff?
Think it will be a huge mistake (I think its under-appreciated how the current system produces national rather than just regional interest games every week), but think Big Ten will support given couple yeats without the Big Ten involved. The SEC is the big question in my mind. Might be harder there given already getting a team or two in and potentially having more regularly might actually hurt SEC regular season race more than others.

Should it come about, I hope at least Delaney pushes for a prominent role for Rose Bowl in it. It will be too devalued if left outside the playoff.
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(12-11-2019 08:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(12-11-2019 06:42 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(12-11-2019 05:36 PM)TTT Wrote:  
(12-11-2019 05:27 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(12-11-2019 05:18 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Ross Dellenger

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A Power 5 AD in New York this week said a specific 8-team playoff model is circulating around the CFB world that would incorporate bowls, including a bowl-sponsored national championship game.

The model:
- 5 auto bids for P5 champs
- 2 at-large
- 1 Group of 5

That should put the end to the ND to the ACC talk(it won't, it should though).

I actually think if they were to adopt this format then it would FORCE Notre Dame to join the ACC. Otherwise, they are at a disadvantage each year. What's tougher for Notre Dame? Winning the ACC or finishing the regular season ranked in the T8? I would think finishing in the T8 would be harder.

It won't force ND into the ACC, quite the opposite.

Why do people think ND will chuck its identity because being Indy is the harder path?

It won't. As long as A playoff path remains open to it (even harder than as an ACC member), ND will stay independent.

Exactly. It’s a clearer path for a P5 team—-but a typical P5 team is probably going to need to be 11-1 or undefeated most years to win your league—so it’s not really all that different. An 11-1/12-0 Notre Dame is almost certain to get a wildcard.


Especially as ND would be competing for an at large spot, without dealing with any "stigma" of freezing out a P5 conference champ for one.
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(12-11-2019 05:39 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(12-11-2019 05:36 PM)TTT Wrote:  
(12-11-2019 05:27 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(12-11-2019 05:18 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Ross Dellenger

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A Power 5 AD in New York this week said a specific 8-team playoff model is circulating around the CFB world that would incorporate bowls, including a bowl-sponsored national championship game.

The model:
- 5 auto bids for P5 champs
- 2 at-large
- 1 Group of 5

That should put the end to the ND to the ACC talk(it won't, it should though).

I actually think if they were to adopt this format then it would FORCE Notre Dame to join the ACC. Otherwise, they are at a disadvantage each year. What's tougher for Notre Dame? Winning the ACC or finishing the regular season ranked in the T8? I would think finishing in the T8 would be harder.
Doesn't matter. Do we have access? If yes, then we're good.

ND may have to do better than T8 to get an at large spot in this format. If you assume in a typical year that 2 of the automatic qualifiers don't finish in the top 6, then the lowest ranked at large team would need to be at least #6. 2019 is a little different where the lowest rated at large would be ranked #7.
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RE: Delaney: 16 team conferences? 8 team playoff?
(12-11-2019 06:47 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(12-11-2019 05:47 PM)TTT Wrote:  
(12-11-2019 05:39 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(12-11-2019 05:36 PM)TTT Wrote:  
(12-11-2019 05:27 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  That should put the end to the ND to the ACC talk(it won't, it should though).

I actually think if they were to adopt this format then it would FORCE Notre Dame to join the ACC. Otherwise, they are at a disadvantage each year. What's tougher for Notre Dame? Winning the ACC or finishing the regular season ranked in the T8? I would think finishing in the T8 would be harder.
Doesn't matter. Do we have access? If yes, then we're good.

Correct me if I'm wrong but yes, it would absolutely matter.

Under this proposed format, if Notre Dame joins the ACC and wins the conference then it doesn't matter where they finish in the rankings...they are in the CFP regardless.

If Notre Dame stays independent and finishes ranked in the T8, that doesn't guarantee they are in the CFP.

If this CFP Format was adopted, the first thing I would do (if I was ND) was join a conference STAT!

But you are not ND and do not understand how it thinks, how it is run and what is important to it.

The easier path to the playoffs is not more important to ND than Independence is.

Be that as it may but I'd wager that if ND finished the season ranked in the T8 for 2-3 consecutive seasons AND missed out on the CFP each of those years then I think y'all would be singing a different tune.
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RE: Delaney: 16 team conferences? 8 team playoff?
(12-11-2019 09:54 PM)goofus Wrote:  
(12-11-2019 05:39 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(12-11-2019 05:36 PM)TTT Wrote:  
(12-11-2019 05:27 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(12-11-2019 05:18 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Ross Dellenger

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A Power 5 AD in New York this week said a specific 8-team playoff model is circulating around the CFB world that would incorporate bowls, including a bowl-sponsored national championship game.

The model:
- 5 auto bids for P5 champs
- 2 at-large
- 1 Group of 5

That should put the end to the ND to the ACC talk(it won't, it should though).

I actually think if they were to adopt this format then it would FORCE Notre Dame to join the ACC. Otherwise, they are at a disadvantage each year. What's tougher for Notre Dame? Winning the ACC or finishing the regular season ranked in the T8? I would think finishing in the T8 would be harder.
Doesn't matter. Do we have access? If yes, then we're good.

ND may have to do better than T8 to get an at large spot in this format. If you assume in a typical year that 2 of the automatic qualifiers don't finish in the top 6, then the lowest ranked at large team would need to be at least #6. 2019 is a little different where the lowest rated at large would be ranked #7.

Absolutely correct.

Another reason that joining an actual conference would give ND a more clear cut path to a CFP berth and less dependence on the mercy of an at large ranking ASSUMING playing in a CFP is a top priority of their fb program (which I think would be).

No matter how you cut it, should this 5-1-2 format get adopted it puts ALL independent schools at an inherent disadvantage vs schools IN conferences. That's not an opinion. It's a fact. Yes, Notre Dame still controls their destination being independent BUT there's MUCH less wiggle room vs being in a conf, whether they want to admit it or not.
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RE: Delaney: 16 team conferences? 8 team playoff?
(12-11-2019 10:07 PM)TTT Wrote:  
(12-11-2019 09:54 PM)goofus Wrote:  
(12-11-2019 05:39 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(12-11-2019 05:36 PM)TTT Wrote:  
(12-11-2019 05:27 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  That should put the end to the ND to the ACC talk(it won't, it should though).

I actually think if they were to adopt this format then it would FORCE Notre Dame to join the ACC. Otherwise, they are at a disadvantage each year. What's tougher for Notre Dame? Winning the ACC or finishing the regular season ranked in the T8? I would think finishing in the T8 would be harder.
Doesn't matter. Do we have access? If yes, then we're good.

ND may have to do better than T8 to get an at large spot in this format. If you assume in a typical year that 2 of the automatic qualifiers don't finish in the top 6, then the lowest ranked at large team would need to be at least #6. 2019 is a little different where the lowest rated at large would be ranked #7.

Absolutely correct.

Another reason that joining an actual conference would give ND a more clear cut path to a CFP berth and less dependence on the mercy of an at large ranking ASSUMING playing in a CFP is a top priority of their fb program (which I think would be).

No matter how you cut it, should this 5-1-2 format get adopted it puts ALL independent schools at an inherent disadvantage vs schools IN conferences. That's not an opinion. It's a fact. Yes, Notre Dame still controls their destination being independent BUT there's MUCH less wiggle room vs being in a conf, whether they want to admit it or not.

ND knows this, understands this and admits this.

It wants to stay independent anyway.
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RE: Delaney: 16 team conferences? 8 team playoff?
(12-11-2019 09:54 PM)goofus Wrote:  
(12-11-2019 05:39 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(12-11-2019 05:36 PM)TTT Wrote:  
(12-11-2019 05:27 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(12-11-2019 05:18 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  Ross Dellenger

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A Power 5 AD in New York this week said a specific 8-team playoff model is circulating around the CFB world that would incorporate bowls, including a bowl-sponsored national championship game.

The model:
- 5 auto bids for P5 champs
- 2 at-large
- 1 Group of 5

That should put the end to the ND to the ACC talk(it won't, it should though).

I actually think if they were to adopt this format then it would FORCE Notre Dame to join the ACC. Otherwise, they are at a disadvantage each year. What's tougher for Notre Dame? Winning the ACC or finishing the regular season ranked in the T8? I would think finishing in the T8 would be harder.
Doesn't matter. Do we have access? If yes, then we're good.

ND may have to do better than T8 to get an at large spot in this format. If you assume in a typical year that 2 of the automatic qualifiers don't finish in the top 6, then the lowest ranked at large team would need to be at least #6. 2019 is a little different where the lowest rated at large would be ranked #7.
How often during the playoff era have conference champs finished outside of the top 8?
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RE: Delaney: 16 team conferences? 8 team playoff?
Twice. Washington last year and USC in like 2017. So the 5-1-2 model doesnt make qualifying for the playoffs any harder for ND than the current one.

And also for the millionth time, ND wants to stay indy. No matter what the postseason situation was or has been, ND has retained its independence. So why do people keep thinking anyone or anything is going to force ND's hand when it comes to joining a conference?
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