(02-22-2021 11:50 AM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 10:44 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Ehrhart should have his yard rolled with tp, if anyone knows where he lives.

pics or it didn't happen

better than a drone! that ole roosky satellite you bought on ebay really comes in handy

(02-20-2021 03:12 PM)Keeper Wrote:  

(02-19-2021 10:19 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-17-2021 08:55 PM)Keeper Wrote:  To all of you who think a 12 team post season football tournament would weaken college foot ball:

I remember when the state of Florida had 3 teams in the top ten year after year and many on this board disagreed with me when I said the only reason for this was there were only 3 div one football teams in college football. I argued that the addition of more div one schools in Florida would end that domination. I argued more options would give high school players more choices and more opportunity to play right away.

Well this happened. I believe UCF, USF, FlaAtl, Florida International, and others have prospered and Florida football is as exciting and is even more profitable than it was before. Fla, Miami, and FlaSt probably wish it had stayed the same.

For the same reason the P5 wants it to remain the same, because if more teams and conferences had opportunity even if it made it more exciting and more profitable. Even though they would still be getting more money it would be less of a percentage than they are currently receiving. This is called greed. It has become the American way but it is less Democratic, more Autocratic, and it seems the way most Americans think things should and probably only could be the way things are.

Well the boys down the alley say the status quo is un-american and it will only change if enough people raise their voices to change it. GTG

You have it right about greed. The greed would be adding 4 games for the sake of teeing up the winners of 5/12, 6/11/, 7/10 and 8/9 matchups who have battled and destroyed each other, against a 1-4 team that has had a bye.

THAT would be the greed.

How is that greed? Greed on whose part? There would be 8 more games played by adding 8 teams to make a tournament. Many more teams would have a shot at a National Championship. More conferences/universities would receive more revenue.

This actual Football Championship Tournament would diminish the other bowls true, but it seems a reasonable trade to gain a real national champion for a few diminished exhibiton games. The other consequence would be that by having more teams with a chance makes recruiting more competitive thus spreading talent throughout the conferences. Soon you would have a team like Memphis, UCF, Houston, AppSt, Boise, or San Diego winning its way to the final four and beyond. Eventually there would be a champion that comes from the group that now has absolutely no chance of ever being considered to have the opportunity. Is it greedy to want a chance, or is it greedy to prevent opportunity to others?

I remember back when the basketball tournament included only 16 teams. Only the championship game was nationally broadcast on TV, and UCLA won the title 10 years in a row! After they opened up the tournament to more and more teams it finally became March Madness! Don't be afraid of change. Change can be very positive. Just ask fans of Gonzaga.

Right now, the national champion plays 15 games. With 12 teams, they would play at least 16 and maybe 17 games. It's too much, players will be injured, and even more players are going to opt out. The games that DO get played are mostly going to be horrible blowouts. 1 versus 4 is often not competitive. You want 1 to play 8 with 1 having a bye week? It makes no sense. IF it happens, it isn't driven by common sense, it is driven by greed.

Quote:I remember back when the basketball tournament included only 16 teams.

The only thing that makes less sense than your other argument is using basketball as an example. Basketball teams can play 4 games in 4 days in their conference tournaments, then can play 4 games in 9 games 3 rolling weekends in a row. Teams play between 35-40 games in a season. Why anyone would think of comparing it to football is beyond me.

Since you brought up basketball...

Quote:This actual Football Championship Tournament would diminish the other bowls true, but it seems a reasonable trade to gain a real national champion for a few diminished exhibiton games.

This is the worst of the worst when you see it on paper. Here is how 2019 would have played out under your scenario.

Elimination Round
Oregon - Miami, OH
Oklahoma - FAU
Florida - Boise
Memphis - Appalachian State

Round Of 8
LSU - Memphis
Clemson - Florida
Ohio State - Oklahoma
Georgia - Oregon

None of the elimination round would have high ratings. In the round of 8, assuming that all the favourites win, you would have teams that are already superior, playing lesser teams AND having an extra week to rest. It makes no sense.

Having an 8 team playoff with a non P5 entrant is the way to go. Giving 4 teams a bye doesn't make any sense, and forcing everyone to play an extra game makes even less sense. You are going to have injuries knocking players out and if you think there are a lot of opt outs right now; there are going to be double the number of opt outs in the games not involving the 12 playoff teams.

Your idea eliminates most of the marquee bowl matchups, makes non playoff bowl games even less important, and will probably lead to bowl games where teams have a quarter of their starters not playing.

Miami, OH (8-6)
L Iowa 38-14
L Cincinnati 35-13
L Ohio State 76-5
L Western Michigan 38-16
L Ball State 41-27

How anyone could think that this is a good idea...it's mind boggling. You are now entering the booze fueled, common sense free jsw3ent zone (not a good thing).

The only thing you fail to address is the main point of my post. That is: With more inclusion competition improves. At present we usually get the same 6 or 7 teams year after year. If there had been an eight game tourney when UCF was undefeated there just might have been an upset. With a 12 game tourney there is even more opportunity for upsets and those would beget more players opting to play at other universities.

Right now the status quo proves my point as well as your's
.
You maintain that even with change the results would be the same. I say with change even more change will occur. You obviously do not want to see the playing field leveled and would prefer to always see the Tigers shut out of opportunity. I say GTG and drop dead Alabama.

I suppose you don't think it would matter if the NFL eliminated the draft. The whole purpose of which is to help to create competition and excitement. I prefer excitement to predictability. But don't worry your status quo will probably remain the model for the remainder of my life time. I just can't help howling at the wind.

Also if you care to continue this please refrain from your characterizations of my intellect. I am hopeful you can make an argument without ad homonym attack.

(02-21-2021 03:23 PM)memphisike Wrote:  Made possibly by losing one game, that should of been a win and winning conference.
Schedule really helped 2020,kick ass bowl while army went to liberty
IKE's sources say we have a fabulous class joining TIGERNATION
Drop the CUPCAKES and play a tougher OOC schedule and it will better
Cincinnati is having a little success with this approach.
Tiger 87, glad u made the Cotton, did u go see us beat Florida international while army played west va on our home field. Memphis fans should never attend another liberty bowl

I attended every Liberty Bowl when our conference champion got an automatic invitation. I attended when Memphis was invited to play but I will never attend another Liberty Bowl as long as the home team does not have a path to an automatic invitation. I doubt if Erhart cares now, and I don't care if he lives or dies.

(02-22-2021 10:04 PM)Keeper Wrote:  

(02-21-2021 03:23 PM)memphisike Wrote:  Made possibly by losing one game, that should of been a win and winning conference.
Schedule really helped 2020,kick ass bowl while army went to liberty
IKE's sources say we have a fabulous class joining TIGERNATION
Drop the CUPCAKES and play a tougher OOC schedule and it will better
Cincinnati is having a little success with this approach.
Tiger 87, glad u made the Cotton, did u go see us beat Florida international while army played west va on our home field. Memphis fans should never attend another liberty bowl

I attended every Liberty Bowl when our conference champion got an automatic invitation. I attended when Memphis was invited to play but I will never attend another Liberty Bowl as long as the home team does not have a path to an automatic invitation. I doubt if Erhart cares now, and I don't care if he lives or dies.

Pretty dramatic there at the end.

Yeah

I just wish we could all lighten up a notch or ten

(02-22-2021 07:27 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-20-2021 03:12 PM)Keeper Wrote:  

(02-19-2021 10:19 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-17-2021 08:55 PM)Keeper Wrote:  To all of you who think a 12 team post season football tournament would weaken college foot ball:

I remember when the state of Florida had 3 teams in the top ten year after year and many on this board disagreed with me when I said the only reason for this was there were only 3 div one football teams in college football. I argued that the addition of more div one schools in Florida would end that domination. I argued more options would give high school players more choices and more opportunity to play right away.

Well this happened. I believe UCF, USF, FlaAtl, Florida International, and others have prospered and Florida football is as exciting and is even more profitable than it was before. Fla, Miami, and FlaSt probably wish it had stayed the same.

For the same reason the P5 wants it to remain the same, because if more teams and conferences had opportunity even if it made it more exciting and more profitable. Even though they would still be getting more money it would be less of a percentage than they are currently receiving. This is called greed. It has become the American way but it is less Democratic, more Autocratic, and it seems the way most Americans think things should and probably only could be the way things are.

Well the boys down the alley say the status quo is un-american and it will only change if enough people raise their voices to change it. GTG

You have it right about greed. The greed would be adding 4 games for the sake of teeing up the winners of 5/12, 6/11/, 7/10 and 8/9 matchups who have battled and destroyed each other, against a 1-4 team that has had a bye.

THAT would be the greed.

How is that greed? Greed on whose part? There would be 8 more games played by adding 8 teams to make a tournament. Many more teams would have a shot at a National Championship. More conferences/universities would receive more revenue.

This actual Football Championship Tournament would diminish the other bowls true, but it seems a reasonable trade to gain a real national champion for a few diminished exhibiton games. The other consequence would be that by having more teams with a chance makes recruiting more competitive thus spreading talent throughout the conferences. Soon you would have a team like Memphis, UCF, Houston, AppSt, Boise, or San Diego winning its way to the final four and beyond. Eventually there would be a champion that comes from the group that now has absolutely no chance of ever being considered to have the opportunity. Is it greedy to want a chance, or is it greedy to prevent opportunity to others?

I remember back when the basketball tournament included only 16 teams. Only the championship game was nationally broadcast on TV, and UCLA won the title 10 years in a row! After they opened up the tournament to more and more teams it finally became March Madness! Don't be afraid of change. Change can be very positive. Just ask fans of Gonzaga.

Right now, the national champion plays 15 games. With 12 teams, they would play at least 16 and maybe 17 games. It's too much, players will be injured, and even more players are going to opt out. The games that DO get played are mostly going to be horrible blowouts. 1 versus 4 is often not competitive. You want 1 to play 8 with 1 having a bye week? It makes no sense. IF it happens, it isn't driven by common sense, it is driven by greed.

Quote:I remember back when the basketball tournament included only 16 teams.

The only thing that makes less sense than your other argument is using basketball as an example. Basketball teams can play 4 games in 4 days in their conference tournaments, then can play 4 games in 9 games 3 rolling weekends in a row. Teams play between 35-40 games in a season. Why anyone would think of comparing it to football is beyond me.

Since you brought up basketball...

Quote:This actual Football Championship Tournament would diminish the other bowls true, but it seems a reasonable trade to gain a real national champion for a few diminished exhibiton games.

This is the worst of the worst when you see it on paper. Here is how 2019 would have played out under your scenario.

Elimination Round
Oregon - Miami, OH
Oklahoma - FAU
Florida - Boise
Memphis - Appalachian State

Round Of 8
LSU - Memphis
Clemson - Florida
Ohio State - Oklahoma
Georgia - Oregon

None of the elimination round would have high ratings. In the round of 8, assuming that all the favourites win, you would have teams that are already superior, playing lesser teams AND having an extra week to rest. It makes no sense.

Having an 8 team playoff with a non P5 entrant is the way to go. Giving 4 teams a bye doesn't make any sense, and forcing everyone to play an extra game makes even less sense. You are going to have injuries knocking players out and if you think there are a lot of opt outs right now; there are going to be double the number of opt outs in the games not involving the 12 playoff teams.

Your idea eliminates most of the marquee bowl matchups, makes non playoff bowl games even less important, and will probably lead to bowl games where teams have a quarter of their starters not playing.

Miami, OH (8-6)
L Iowa 38-14
L Cincinnati 35-13
L Ohio State 76-5
L Western Michigan 38-16
L Ball State 41-27

How anyone could think that this is a good idea...it's mind boggling. You are now entering the booze fueled, common sense free jsw3ent zone (not a good thing).

Expand the playoffs----who cares about freckin bowl games----expand the playoffs-----that way the little guys like LIL O MEMPHIS--gets it's shot. OH that's right I forgot ---you always want to screw the little guys

I may be in the minority, but I’ve never understood why some feel the Liberty Bowl game (and Earhart) owes the football program (or the AAC) anything. It’s a separate entity looking to attract fans from all over the region. Traveling fans that will have a positive economic impact on the city. The SEC and Big 12 fit that bill. Ehrhart’s job (at least part of it) is to attract a wide audience while creating a salable matchup for ESPN.

Tampa has the Outback Bowl - no AAC tie-in
Orlando has the Citrus Bowl - no AAC tie-in
Orlando has the Cheeze-It Bowl - no AAC tie-in
Houston has the Texas Bowl - no AAC tie-in
Charlotte (ECU) has the Dukes Mayo Bowl - no AAC tie-in
Dallas has the First Responder Bowl - AAC is an alternate only
Birmingham (UAB) has the Birmingham Bowl - CUSA is an alternate only
Memphis has the Liberty Bowl - AAC is an alternate only

The above may or may not be totally accurate, but it appears Ehrhart isn’t exactly breaking ranks here.

(02-22-2021 09:27 PM)Keeper Wrote:  The only thing you fail to address is the main point of my post. That is: With more inclusion competition improves. At present we usually get the same 6 or 7 teams year after year. If there had been an eight game tourney when UCF was undefeated there just might have been an upset. With a 12 game tourney there is even more opportunity for upsets and those would beget more players opting to play at other universities.

Right now the status quo proves my point as well as your's
.
You maintain that even with change the results would be the same. I say with change even more change will occur. You obviously do not want to see the playing field leveled and would prefer to always see the Tigers shut out of opportunity. I say GTG and drop dead Alabama.

I suppose you don't think it would matter if the NFL eliminated the draft. The whole purpose of which is to help to create competition and excitement. I prefer excitement to predictability. But don't worry your status quo will probably remain the model for the remainder of my life time. I just can't help howling at the wind.

Also if you care to continue this please refrain from your characterizations of my intellect. I am hopeful you can make an argument without ad homonym attack.

I'll try not to question your intellect or your reading comprehension when you say I might think that it wouldn't matter to eliminate the NFL draft or that I want the Tigers shut out. Sorry. It is smart to want to include teams with 3-5 losses from the MAC, CUSA, Sunbelt, etc. Those teams will magically improve because of better competition?

Quote:You obviously do not want to see the playing field leveled and would prefer to always see the Tigers shut out of opportunity.

We would have played in the game LAST YEAR with an 8 team playoff with a G5 team included. That is your way of showing that I want us to be shut out.

I would love to see 64 teams in the football playoff, but that would be dumb. If 8 teams are included, you give everyone a shot fair and square and you can easily argue that the top G5 team has a greater shot at the playoff than 3/4 of the P5.

You want this this team to have a shot at the playoff...

Miami, OH (8-6)
L Iowa 38-14
L Cincinnati 35-13
L Ohio State 76-5
L Western Michigan 38-16
L Ball State 41-27

And then get offended when I question you. I love it.

(02-23-2021 09:38 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  I may be in the minority, but I’ve never understood why some feel the Liberty Bowl game (and Earhart) owes the football program (or the AAC) anything. It’s a separate entity looking to attract fans from all over the region. Traveling fans that will have a positive economic impact on the city. The SEC and Big 12 fit that bill. Ehrhart’s job (at least part of it) is to attract a wide audience while creating a salable matchup for ESPN.

Tampa has the Outback Bowl - no AAC tie-in
Orlando has the Citrus Bowl - no AAC tie-in
Orlando has the Cheeze-It Bowl - no AAC tie-in
Houston has the Texas Bowl - no AAC tie-in
Charlotte (ECU) has the Dukes Mayo Bowl - no AAC tie-in
Dallas has the First Responder Bowl - AAC is an alternate only
Birmingham (UAB) has the Birmingham Bowl - CUSA is an alternate only
Memphis has the Liberty Bowl - AAC is an alternate only

The above may or may not be totally accurate, but it appears Ehrhart isn’t exactly breaking ranks here.

I mean, I think the UofM has a much stronger civic bond with the city than any of those other examples you've listed, for starters. And I believe the DFW metro area has 2 other bowls with AAC ties.

But if that is how you feel, then it goes both ways. Memphis fans owe the LB nothing either. And that is the case that has been made here - that Memphis fans simply quit supporting the LB.
And that we tp roll Ehrhart's yard.

(02-23-2021 08:33 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  

(02-22-2021 07:27 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-20-2021 03:12 PM)Keeper Wrote:  

(02-19-2021 10:19 AM)Stammers Wrote:  

(02-17-2021 08:55 PM)Keeper Wrote:  To all of you who think a 12 team post season football tournament would weaken college foot ball:

I remember when the state of Florida had 3 teams in the top ten year after year and many on this board disagreed with me when I said the only reason for this was there were only 3 div one football teams in college football. I argued that the addition of more div one schools in Florida would end that domination. I argued more options would give high school players more choices and more opportunity to play right away.

Well this happened. I believe UCF, USF, FlaAtl, Florida International, and others have prospered and Florida football is as exciting and is even more profitable than it was before. Fla, Miami, and FlaSt probably wish it had stayed the same.

For the same reason the P5 wants it to remain the same, because if more teams and conferences had opportunity even if it made it more exciting and more profitable. Even though they would still be getting more money it would be less of a percentage than they are currently receiving. This is called greed. It has become the American way but it is less Democratic, more Autocratic, and it seems the way most Americans think things should and probably only could be the way things are.

Well the boys down the alley say the status quo is un-american and it will only change if enough people raise their voices to change it. GTG

You have it right about greed. The greed would be adding 4 games for the sake of teeing up the winners of 5/12, 6/11/, 7/10 and 8/9 matchups who have battled and destroyed each other, against a 1-4 team that has had a bye.

THAT would be the greed.

How is that greed? Greed on whose part? There would be 8 more games played by adding 8 teams to make a tournament. Many more teams would have a shot at a National Championship. More conferences/universities would receive more revenue.

This actual Football Championship Tournament would diminish the other bowls true, but it seems a reasonable trade to gain a real national champion for a few diminished exhibiton games. The other consequence would be that by having more teams with a chance makes recruiting more competitive thus spreading talent throughout the conferences. Soon you would have a team like Memphis, UCF, Houston, AppSt, Boise, or San Diego winning its way to the final four and beyond. Eventually there would be a champion that comes from the group that now has absolutely no chance of ever being considered to have the opportunity. Is it greedy to want a chance, or is it greedy to prevent opportunity to others?

I remember back when the basketball tournament included only 16 teams. Only the championship game was nationally broadcast on TV, and UCLA won the title 10 years in a row! After they opened up the tournament to more and more teams it finally became March Madness! Don't be afraid of change. Change can be very positive. Just ask fans of Gonzaga.

Right now, the national champion plays 15 games. With 12 teams, they would play at least 16 and maybe 17 games. It's too much, players will be injured, and even more players are going to opt out. The games that DO get played are mostly going to be horrible blowouts. 1 versus 4 is often not competitive. You want 1 to play 8 with 1 having a bye week? It makes no sense. IF it happens, it isn't driven by common sense, it is driven by greed.

Quote:I remember back when the basketball tournament included only 16 teams.

The only thing that makes less sense than your other argument is using basketball as an example. Basketball teams can play 4 games in 4 days in their conference tournaments, then can play 4 games in 9 games 3 rolling weekends in a row. Teams play between 35-40 games in a season. Why anyone would think of comparing it to football is beyond me.

Since you brought up basketball...

Quote:This actual Football Championship Tournament would diminish the other bowls true, but it seems a reasonable trade to gain a real national champion for a few diminished exhibiton games.

This is the worst of the worst when you see it on paper. Here is how 2019 would have played out under your scenario.

Elimination Round
Oregon - Miami, OH
Oklahoma - FAU
Florida - Boise
Memphis - Appalachian State

Round Of 8
LSU - Memphis
Clemson - Florida
Ohio State - Oklahoma
Georgia - Oregon

None of the elimination round would have high ratings. In the round of 8, assuming that all the favourites win, you would have teams that are already superior, playing lesser teams AND having an extra week to rest. It makes no sense.

Having an 8 team playoff with a non P5 entrant is the way to go. Giving 4 teams a bye doesn't make any sense, and forcing everyone to play an extra game makes even less sense. You are going to have injuries knocking players out and if you think there are a lot of opt outs right now; there are going to be double the number of opt outs in the games not involving the 12 playoff teams.

Your idea eliminates most of the marquee bowl matchups, makes non playoff bowl games even less important, and will probably lead to bowl games where teams have a quarter of their starters not playing.

Miami, OH (8-6)
L Iowa 38-14
L Cincinnati 35-13
L Ohio State 76-5
L Western Michigan 38-16
L Ball State 41-27

How anyone could think that this is a good idea...it's mind boggling. You are now entering the booze fueled, common sense free jsw3ent zone (not a good thing).

Expand the playoffs----who cares about freckin bowl games----expand the playoffs-----that way the little guys like LIL O MEMPHIS--gets it's shot. OH that's right I forgot ---you always want to screw the little guys

Miami, OH (8-6)
L Iowa 38-14
L Cincinnati 35-13
L Ohio State 76-5
L Western Michigan 38-16
L Ball State 41-27

IN the jsw3ent and Keeper playoff.

(02-23-2021 11:38 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 09:38 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  I may be in the minority, but I’ve never understood why some feel the Liberty Bowl game (and Earhart) owes the football program (or the AAC) anything. It’s a separate entity looking to attract fans from all over the region. Traveling fans that will have a positive economic impact on the city. The SEC and Big 12 fit that bill. Ehrhart’s job (at least part of it) is to attract a wide audience while creating a salable matchup for ESPN.

Tampa has the Outback Bowl - no AAC tie-in
Orlando has the Citrus Bowl - no AAC tie-in
Orlando has the Cheeze-It Bowl - no AAC tie-in
Houston has the Texas Bowl - no AAC tie-in
Charlotte (ECU) has the Dukes Mayo Bowl - no AAC tie-in
Dallas has the First Responder Bowl - AAC is an alternate only
Birmingham (UAB) has the Birmingham Bowl - CUSA is an alternate only
Memphis has the Liberty Bowl - AAC is an alternate only

The above may or may not be totally accurate, but it appears Ehrhart isn’t exactly breaking ranks here.

I mean, I think the UofM has a much stronger civic bond with the city than any of those other examples you've listed, for starters. And I believe the DFW metro area has 2 other bowls with AAC ties.

But if that is how you feel, then it goes both ways. Memphis fans owe the LB nothing either. And that is the case that has been made here - that Memphis fans simply quit supporting the LB.
And that we tp roll Ehrhart's yard.

It’s not so much how I feel as it is my attempt to make sense of it. I agree the UofM and Memphis have a much stronger bond than any of those listed. No comparison, but the city doesn’t own the game either. I always put Tigers first. But fans are free to do as they choose, regardless.

Personally, as both a Tiger fan and UofM alum, I’ve never felt any obligation to support (or not) the Liberty Bowl. It’s just another event, same as Music Fest, etc. And I’m not bothered that Music Fest doesn’t have a Memphis act headlining the event every year. Maybe I should be but I’m not.

Ike believes picking army over Memphis was a dumb move
Memphians should stay home next yr
West va might of kicked our ass but, they kicked armies. TIGERNATION should of been there, IKE's sources say they believe we would of won but, we'll never know but, we beat Florida international, it's all good

(02-22-2021 11:55 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Yeah

I just wish we could all lighten up a notch or ten

No justice no peace

Ike Heard Dat

lol

on the street...one has always heard the talk of justice

(02-23-2021 03:55 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 11:38 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 09:38 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  I may be in the minority, but I’ve never understood why some feel the Liberty Bowl game (and Earhart) owes the football program (or the AAC) anything. It’s a separate entity looking to attract fans from all over the region. Traveling fans that will have a positive economic impact on the city. The SEC and Big 12 fit that bill. Ehrhart’s job (at least part of it) is to attract a wide audience while creating a salable matchup for ESPN.

Tampa has the Outback Bowl - no AAC tie-in
Orlando has the Citrus Bowl - no AAC tie-in
Orlando has the Cheeze-It Bowl - no AAC tie-in
Houston has the Texas Bowl - no AAC tie-in
Charlotte (ECU) has the Dukes Mayo Bowl - no AAC tie-in
Dallas has the First Responder Bowl - AAC is an alternate only
Birmingham (UAB) has the Birmingham Bowl - CUSA is an alternate only
Memphis has the Liberty Bowl - AAC is an alternate only

The above may or may not be totally accurate, but it appears Ehrhart isn’t exactly breaking ranks here.

I mean, I think the UofM has a much stronger civic bond with the city than any of those other examples you've listed, for starters. And I believe the DFW metro area has 2 other bowls with AAC ties.

But if that is how you feel, then it goes both ways. Memphis fans owe the LB nothing either. And that is the case that has been made here - that Memphis fans simply quit supporting the LB.
And that we tp roll Ehrhart's yard.

It’s not so much how I feel as it is my attempt to make sense of it. I agree the UofM and Memphis have a much stronger bond than any of those listed. No comparison, but the city doesn’t own the game either. I always put Tigers first. But fans are free to do as they choose, regardless.

Personally, as both a Tiger fan and UofM alum, I’ve never felt any obligation to support (or not) the Liberty Bowl. It’s just another event, same as Music Fest, etc. And I’m not bothered that Music Fest doesn’t have a Memphis act headlining the event every year. Maybe I should be but I’m not.

I hear you. Here are my final words on the subject...
It's not every year we're asking to go to the LB.
It's when it makes sense.
This year would have made the most sense of any in the history. Would seem to have been easy to negotiate contracts with no fans and losing records.
It's been said that Ehrhart has said "never again" for UofM. And that is just wrong, IMO.
So I say, "never again" to going to the game.
They like the out of town money, but don't under-emphasize the importance of local sponsorships and tix.

(02-23-2021 11:00 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 03:55 PM)Browning Hall Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 11:38 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(02-23-2021 09:38 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  I may be in the minority, but I’ve never understood why some feel the Liberty Bowl game (and Earhart) owes the football program (or the AAC) anything. It’s a separate entity looking to attract fans from all over the region. Traveling fans that will have a positive economic impact on the city. The SEC and Big 12 fit that bill. Ehrhart’s job (at least part of it) is to attract a wide audience while creating a salable matchup for ESPN.

Tampa has the Outback Bowl - no AAC tie-in
Orlando has the Citrus Bowl - no AAC tie-in
Orlando has the Cheeze-It Bowl - no AAC tie-in
Houston has the Texas Bowl - no AAC tie-in
Charlotte (ECU) has the Dukes Mayo Bowl - no AAC tie-in
Dallas has the First Responder Bowl - AAC is an alternate only
Birmingham (UAB) has the Birmingham Bowl - CUSA is an alternate only
Memphis has the Liberty Bowl - AAC is an alternate only

The above may or may not be totally accurate, but it appears Ehrhart isn’t exactly breaking ranks here.

I mean, I think the UofM has a much stronger civic bond with the city than any of those other examples you've listed, for starters. And I believe the DFW metro area has 2 other bowls with AAC ties.

But if that is how you feel, then it goes both ways. Memphis fans owe the LB nothing either. And that is the case that has been made here - that Memphis fans simply quit supporting the LB.
And that we tp roll Ehrhart's yard.

It’s not so much how I feel as it is my attempt to make sense of it. I agree the UofM and Memphis have a much stronger bond than any of those listed. No comparison, but the city doesn’t own the game either. I always put Tigers first. But fans are free to do as they choose, regardless.

Personally, as both a Tiger fan and UofM alum, I’ve never felt any obligation to support (or not) the Liberty Bowl. It’s just another event, same as Music Fest, etc. And I’m not bothered that Music Fest doesn’t have a Memphis act headlining the event every year. Maybe I should be but I’m not.

I hear you. Here are my final words on the subject...
It's not every year we're asking to go to the LB.
It's when it makes sense.
This year would have made the most sense of any in the history. Would seem to have been easy to negotiate contracts with no fans and losing records.
It's been said that Ehrhart has said "never again" for UofM. And that is just wrong, IMO.
So I say, "never again" to going to the game.
They like the out of town money, but don't under-emphasize the importance of local sponsorships and tix.

I get it now. Apparently, I missed the entire conversation about Memphis/Army/Liberty Bowl and didn’t know it was a thing. I saw a post above mine stating that Memphis should have an automatic path, so I decided to butt in. I took that statement to mean the AAC should be granted the Liberty Bowl every year simply because Memphis is in the conference. Without hearing an argument for that, I don’t necessarily agree.

As far as this year, this crazy year, I agree Memphis should have been chosen. I glanced at Army’s schedule and didn’t notice a single impressive win. And if Ehrhart really said “never again for the UofM”, he’s dead to me.

[/quote]It's been said that Ehrhart has said "never again" for UofM. And that is just wrong, IMO.
So I say, "never again" to going to the game.[/quote]

When has Ehrhart ever said "never again" to the U of M? All I can find on the subject is just the opposite (Link Below). According to an article written by Don Wade in 2018, Ehrhart commented on the U of M playing in the 2017 Liberty Bowl by saying, “It was just terrific to have that kind of enthusiasm in the city,”. He added, “For Memphis, this was the biggest bowl game they’ve played in. As the hometown bowl, I think it’ll be a great platform for the future for the university.

Ehrhart's Comments on U of M Playing in the Liberty Bowl

What happened to payouts there... Maybe they changed how they report bowl payouts the year we played?

2020 = West Virginia v Army
Payout: (I found $4,700,000, but that seems suspect given the capacity limitations)

2019 = Navy v Kansas State
Payout: $4,700,000

2018 = Missouri v Oklahoma State
Payout: $4,295,000

2017 = Iowa State v Memphis
Payout: $4,800,000

2016 = Georgia v TCU
Payout: $1,437,500

2015 = Arkansas v Kansas State
Payout: $1,437,500

2014 = Texas A&M v West Virginia
Payout: $2,875,000