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(02-13-2021 07:13 AM)Browning Hall Wrote:  
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(02-12-2021 05:15 PM)memphisike Wrote:  Upgrade our OOC schedule and ditch the CUPCAKES
Ike doesn't understand how other schools in TIGERNATION conference play a tougher OOC schedule.
IKE's been told there r two conferences with a strong interest in adding TIGERNATION.

USA and SUNBELT ?

That’s the spirit. If I were that pessimistic, there is no way I’d follow sports. Hope is what keeps me around.

I was just funnin-----agree on the hope
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(02-12-2021 05:15 PM)memphisike Wrote:  Upgrade our OOC schedule and ditch the CUPCAKES
Ike doesn't understand how other schools in TIGERNATION conference play a tougher OOC schedule.

IKE's been told there r two conferences with a strong interest in adding TIGERNATION.

I've been singing that same tune for years
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DITCH ALL CUPCAKES AND UPGRADE OOC SCHEDULE
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(02-13-2021 08:31 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  G5 team wants in national championship? Schedule an away 'buy" game with preferably Bama. If you cannot schedule Bama, try Clemson or Ohio St.
Then, win 'em all. Run the table.

lol
Sounds like an $EC fan.
First, none of them will schedule a top tier G5.
Second, why is that the bar - winning at Bama? Nobody does that. Bama has lost 1 home game in the last 5 years and that was to last year's NC LSU team.
Third, even if they would schedule us and even if we win, they still keep us out.
We have proven our competitiveness time and again in the NY bowl games. It gets us nothing.

We have shown the past few years that our conference is not far below the B12, equal to the ACC, and better than the PAC. Yet if there is an undefeated champ from any of those conferences, they get a top 2 slot in the CFP. Our undefeated champ gets a NY bowl.

I thought Freeze beat them several years ago at home?
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(02-13-2021 03:40 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  
(02-13-2021 11:58 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(02-13-2021 08:31 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  G5 team wants in national championship? Schedule an away 'buy" game with preferably Bama. If you cannot schedule Bama, try Clemson or Ohio St.
Then, win 'em all. Run the table.

lol
Sounds like an $EC fan.
First, none of them will schedule a top tier G5.
Second, why is that the bar - winning at Bama? Nobody does that. Bama has lost 1 home game in the last 5 years and that was to last year's NC LSU team.
Third, even if they would schedule us and even if we win, they still keep us out.
We have proven our competitiveness time and again in the NY bowl games. It gets us nothing.

We have shown the past few years that our conference is not far below the B12, equal to the ACC, and better than the PAC. Yet if there is an undefeated champ from any of those conferences, they get a top 2 slot in the CFP. Our undefeated champ gets a NY bowl.

I thought Freeze beat them several years ago at home?

That was 6 years ago - he said last 5.
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(02-13-2021 04:47 PM)former guest Wrote:  
(02-13-2021 03:40 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  
(02-13-2021 11:58 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(02-13-2021 08:31 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  G5 team wants in national championship? Schedule an away 'buy" game with preferably Bama. If you cannot schedule Bama, try Clemson or Ohio St.
Then, win 'em all. Run the table.

lol
Sounds like an $EC fan.
First, none of them will schedule a top tier G5.
Second, why is that the bar - winning at Bama? Nobody does that. Bama has lost 1 home game in the last 5 years and that was to last year's NC LSU team.
Third, even if they would schedule us and even if we win, they still keep us out.
We have proven our competitiveness time and again in the NY bowl games. It gets us nothing.

We have shown the past few years that our conference is not far below the B12, equal to the ACC, and better than the PAC. Yet if there is an undefeated champ from any of those conferences, they get a top 2 slot in the CFP. Our undefeated champ gets a NY bowl.

I thought Freeze beat them several years ago at home?

That was 6 years ago - he said last 5.

But this past year doesn't count because of covid.
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Six years ago is six years ago.
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(12-09-2019 01:44 PM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  Seeing the thread about Feinstein's article comparing AAC football to ACC begs the question about how the college football landscape will look in the future and U of Memphis' place in that landscape. One of his points was that schools not in P5 conferences need not apply for a national championship. UCF went undefeated 2 years in a row and never sniffed the playoff. No G5 school will get enough benefit of the doubt from the decision makers to get in, unless the expansion that has been rumored comes to pass and they slot the 8th seed to the G5 winner.

Short of that, what do you think the U of M should do in light of the fixed and broken D1, FBS college football system? If good coaches keep leaving for P5 schools, at what point do we acknowledge the ceiling that Memphis football has? How much more investment should be made? in what way should the school be investing in football?

CBM, Shirley Raines hijacked your account?
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(12-09-2019 02:58 PM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  
(12-09-2019 02:29 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  Unfortunately there are other factors that do not include performance on the field that seems to be keeping us out of the power five. I’m not saying that it’s right, but it does seem to swing that way. We were nowhere near the big 12 the last time, and we thought we were the top contender and didn’t even make the first Round of cuts.

Exactly. This isn't just about on the field performance or selling out the Liberty Bowl for the UALR game. There are academic factors that come into play. To improve those factors may take investments that are just not feasible for the U of M. That is part of the reason why I asked about how to invest in football going forward. The reality is that U of M probably won't be considered for expansion in any of the P5 conferences, no matter what happens on the field. At some point, either the system has to change, or some hard decisions will have to be made about the right level of investment for football. Paying the Football Coach at U of M $5 million is just not a good investment, will never get the return on that. Like Ms. Sofia to Ciely in the Color Purple "It ain't wirf it, it ain't wirf it" LOL!!!!

It seems we are in the running for some critical academic designations, have improved our rankings, and facility improvements, like the announced Engineering expansion, should move us in the right direction. But our endowment and donations still need to grow. And we need to increase enrollment by like 50%.

Academics, though, we are improving there.
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(12-09-2019 02:01 PM)Stammers Wrote:  There isn't a way to fix it, but there are doable ways to make it more fair.

1. 8 team playoff with a spot for 1 non P5 team

2. Two made for TV neutral site games at the beginning of each season with two preseason top 5 P5 schools versus the two top preaseason non P5 schools.

3. Everyone talks about the NY6 Bowls. Let the next highest ranked non P5 have a spot in the next tier of bowls with payouts of $6 million or more. Last year they would include the Citrus Bowl, Alamo Bowl, Outback Bowl, Holiday Bowl, Texas Bowl and Camping World Bowl. Having non P5 schools taking up 2 spots out of 24 shouldn't be the end of the world for the P5.

If you have two non P5 schools playing in meaningful bowls with good payouts, you incentivize playing a tough schedule, which then will allow a great 2 loss team to make a good bowl game.

Better option 12 team playoff. Top 4 get a bye, all conference winners in plus 2 at large. Undisputed National Champion determined. Brings college football out of the dark ages and into the light of American justice.
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(02-14-2021 01:56 PM)Keeper Wrote:  
(12-09-2019 02:01 PM)Stammers Wrote:  There isn't a way to fix it, but there are doable ways to make it more fair.

1. 8 team playoff with a spot for 1 non P5 team

2. Two made for TV neutral site games at the beginning of each season with two preseason top 5 P5 schools versus the two top preaseason non P5 schools.

3. Everyone talks about the NY6 Bowls. Let the next highest ranked non P5 have a spot in the next tier of bowls with payouts of $6 million or more. Last year they would include the Citrus Bowl, Alamo Bowl, Outback Bowl, Holiday Bowl, Texas Bowl and Camping World Bowl. Having non P5 schools taking up 2 spots out of 24 shouldn't be the end of the world for the P5.

If you have two non P5 schools playing in meaningful bowls with good payouts, you incentivize playing a tough schedule, which then will allow a great 2 loss team to make a good bowl game.

Better option 12 team playoff. Top 4 get a bye, all conference winners in plus 2 at large. Undisputed National Champion determined. Brings college football out of the dark ages and into the light of American justice.

1 vs. 4 is often a blowout. You want to add 8 more teams AND give 4 teams a bye? That won't work. Have an 8 team playoff with 1 non P5 and allow another P5 into the 2nd tier of bowls and that is as fair as it will get.

Quote:If you have two non P5 schools playing in meaningful bowls with good payouts, you incentivize playing a tough schedule, which then will allow a great 2 loss team to make a good bowl game.

This is something I have said a few times in the past and it is a GREAT idea. The drop from the Access Bowl to the Montgomery Bowl is a huge downer. If we had access to the second tier of bowls; the extreme would be non P5 teams playing buy games against top 5-10 programs. The downside is a very tough road game. The upside is possibly the playoff and if not, you can still go to a decent bowl.
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(02-14-2021 02:45 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(02-14-2021 01:56 PM)Keeper Wrote:  
(12-09-2019 02:01 PM)Stammers Wrote:  There isn't a way to fix it, but there are doable ways to make it more fair.

1. 8 team playoff with a spot for 1 non P5 team

2. Two made for TV neutral site games at the beginning of each season with two preseason top 5 P5 schools versus the two top preaseason non P5 schools.

3. Everyone talks about the NY6 Bowls. Let the next highest ranked non P5 have a spot in the next tier of bowls with payouts of $6 million or more. Last year they would include the Citrus Bowl, Alamo Bowl, Outback Bowl, Holiday Bowl, Texas Bowl and Camping World Bowl. Having non P5 schools taking up 2 spots out of 24 shouldn't be the end of the world for the P5.

If you have two non P5 schools playing in meaningful bowls with good payouts, you incentivize playing a tough schedule, which then will allow a great 2 loss team to make a good bowl game.

Better option 12 team playoff. Top 4 get a bye, all conference winners in plus 2 at large. Undisputed National Champion determined. Brings college football out of the dark ages and into the light of American justice.

1 vs. 4 is often a blowout. You want to add 8 more teams AND give 4 teams a bye? That won't work. Have an 8 team playoff with 1 non P5 and allow another P5 into the 2nd tier of bowls and that is as fair as it will get.

Quote:If you have two non P5 schools playing in meaningful bowls with good payouts, you incentivize playing a tough schedule, which then will allow a great 2 loss team to make a good bowl game.

This is something I have said a few times in the past and it is a GREAT idea. The drop from the Access Bowl to the Montgomery Bowl is a huge downer. If we had access to the second tier of bowls; the extreme would be non P5 teams playing buy games against top 5-10 programs. The downside is a very tough road game. The upside is possibly the playoff and if not, you can still go to a decent bowl.

There you go again-----always screwing LIL OL MEMPHIS and teams like them out of at least a shot at the title ----again who cares about a blowout ----just lay the points---do you think LIL OLE MEMPHIS would care being a 40 point dog----HE!! no---they just want a shot
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(02-14-2021 01:56 PM)Keeper Wrote:  
(12-09-2019 02:01 PM)Stammers Wrote:  There isn't a way to fix it, but there are doable ways to make it more fair.

1. 8 team playoff with a spot for 1 non P5 team

2. Two made for TV neutral site games at the beginning of each season with two preseason top 5 P5 schools versus the two top preaseason non P5 schools.

3. Everyone talks about the NY6 Bowls. Let the next highest ranked non P5 have a spot in the next tier of bowls with payouts of $6 million or more. Last year they would include the Citrus Bowl, Alamo Bowl, Outback Bowl, Holiday Bowl, Texas Bowl and Camping World Bowl. Having non P5 schools taking up 2 spots out of 24 shouldn't be the end of the world for the P5.

If you have two non P5 schools playing in meaningful bowls with good payouts, you incentivize playing a tough schedule, which then will allow a great 2 loss team to make a good bowl game.

Better option 12 team playoff. Top 4 get a bye, all conference winners in plus 2 at large. Undisputed National Champion determined. Brings college football out of the dark ages and into the light of American justice.

^^THIS^^---regardless of what the guy that always wants to screw LIL O MEMPHIS--and the like out of at least a shot
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(02-14-2021 11:28 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(02-14-2021 02:45 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(02-14-2021 01:56 PM)Keeper Wrote:  
(12-09-2019 02:01 PM)Stammers Wrote:  There isn't a way to fix it, but there are doable ways to make it more fair.

1. 8 team playoff with a spot for 1 non P5 team

2. Two made for TV neutral site games at the beginning of each season with two preseason top 5 P5 schools versus the two top preaseason non P5 schools.

3. Everyone talks about the NY6 Bowls. Let the next highest ranked non P5 have a spot in the next tier of bowls with payouts of $6 million or more. Last year they would include the Citrus Bowl, Alamo Bowl, Outback Bowl, Holiday Bowl, Texas Bowl and Camping World Bowl. Having non P5 schools taking up 2 spots out of 24 shouldn't be the end of the world for the P5.

If you have two non P5 schools playing in meaningful bowls with good payouts, you incentivize playing a tough schedule, which then will allow a great 2 loss team to make a good bowl game.

Better option 12 team playoff. Top 4 get a bye, all conference winners in plus 2 at large. Undisputed National Champion determined. Brings college football out of the dark ages and into the light of American justice.

1 vs. 4 is often a blowout. You want to add 8 more teams AND give 4 teams a bye? That won't work. Have an 8 team playoff with 1 non P5 and allow another P5 into the 2nd tier of bowls and that is as fair as it will get.

Quote:If you have two non P5 schools playing in meaningful bowls with good payouts, you incentivize playing a tough schedule, which then will allow a great 2 loss team to make a good bowl game.

This is something I have said a few times in the past and it is a GREAT idea. The drop from the Access Bowl to the Montgomery Bowl is a huge downer. If we had access to the second tier of bowls; the extreme would be non P5 teams playing buy games against top 5-10 programs. The downside is a very tough road game. The upside is possibly the playoff and if not, you can still go to a decent bowl.

There you go again-----always screwing LIL OL MEMPHIS and teams like them out of at least a shot at the title ----again who cares about a blowout ----just lay the points---do you think LIL OLE MEMPHIS would care being a 40 point dog----HE!! no---they just want a shot

The only thing being screwed is your miniature brain. Sure, let's have an 18 game season with half of the playoff 40 point blowouts. Let's have almost as many non P5 as P5 teams in the playoff. Let's have the #60 ranked school in the playoff, but not the #10 ranked team.

Great idea.
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This thread is full of "fix the system", "make it more fair" etc but understand those that make decisions think it is working just like they want it to work. That means the P-5 conferences are making the vast majority of the playoff money, the vast majority of the bowl money & the vast majority of the TV money. They even have most of the media pushing that an expansion would simply mean more blowouts. The have nots, the G5 can complain & attempt to conjole, encourage & campaign for more inclusion but there is simply no incentive for those that make the decisions (and the money) to change, to give up part of the financial pie. And only if they see the pie getting substantially larger will they make changes - and they'll only do that if they see the status quo being threatened.
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(02-15-2021 01:26 AM)Stammers Wrote:  
(02-14-2021 11:28 PM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(02-14-2021 02:45 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(02-14-2021 01:56 PM)Keeper Wrote:  
(12-09-2019 02:01 PM)Stammers Wrote:  There isn't a way to fix it, but there are doable ways to make it more fair.

1. 8 team playoff with a spot for 1 non P5 team

2. Two made for TV neutral site games at the beginning of each season with two preseason top 5 P5 schools versus the two top preaseason non P5 schools.

3. Everyone talks about the NY6 Bowls. Let the next highest ranked non P5 have a spot in the next tier of bowls with payouts of $6 million or more. Last year they would include the Citrus Bowl, Alamo Bowl, Outback Bowl, Holiday Bowl, Texas Bowl and Camping World Bowl. Having non P5 schools taking up 2 spots out of 24 shouldn't be the end of the world for the P5.

If you have two non P5 schools playing in meaningful bowls with good payouts, you incentivize playing a tough schedule, which then will allow a great 2 loss team to make a good bowl game.

Better option 12 team playoff. Top 4 get a bye, all conference winners in plus 2 at large. Undisputed National Champion determined. Brings college football out of the dark ages and into the light of American justice.

1 vs. 4 is often a blowout. You want to add 8 more teams AND give 4 teams a bye? That won't work. Have an 8 team playoff with 1 non P5 and allow another P5 into the 2nd tier of bowls and that is as fair as it will get.

Quote:If you have two non P5 schools playing in meaningful bowls with good payouts, you incentivize playing a tough schedule, which then will allow a great 2 loss team to make a good bowl game.

This is something I have said a few times in the past and it is a GREAT idea. The drop from the Access Bowl to the Montgomery Bowl is a huge downer. If we had access to the second tier of bowls; the extreme would be non P5 teams playing buy games against top 5-10 programs. The downside is a very tough road game. The upside is possibly the playoff and if not, you can still go to a decent bowl.

There you go again-----always screwing LIL OL MEMPHIS and teams like them out of at least a shot at the title ----again who cares about a blowout ----just lay the points---do you think LIL OLE MEMPHIS would care being a 40 point dog----HE!! no---they just want a shot

The only thing being screwed is your miniature brain. Sure, let's have an 18 game season with half of the playoff 40 point blowouts. Let's have almost as many non P5 as P5 teams in the playoff. Let's have the #60 ranked school in the playoff, but not the #10 ranked team.

Great idea.

I say Screw the P5-------again all you ever want to do is screw the little guy and his shot
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(02-15-2021 08:41 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  This thread is full of "fix the system", "make it more fair" etc but understand those that make decisions think it is working just like they want it to work. That means the P-5 conferences are making the vast majority of the playoff money, the vast majority of the bowl money & the vast majority of the TV money. They even have most of the media pushing that an expansion would simply mean more blowouts. The have nots, the G5 can complain & attempt to conjole, encourage & campaign for more inclusion but there is simply no incentive for those that make the decisions (and the money) to change, to give up part of the financial pie. And only if they see the pie getting substantially larger will they make changes - and they'll only do that if they see the status quo being threatened.

True.
I usually don't prescribe this...but litigate and get Congress involved. That's the only possible leverage.

Utah did it years ago, and Sen. Orrin Hatch was their strong-arm. Within a couple of years, they got their invite to the PAC.
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(02-15-2021 12:14 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(02-15-2021 08:41 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  This thread is full of "fix the system", "make it more fair" etc but understand those that make decisions think it is working just like they want it to work. That means the P-5 conferences are making the vast majority of the playoff money, the vast majority of the bowl money & the vast majority of the TV money. They even have most of the media pushing that an expansion would simply mean more blowouts. The have nots, the G5 can complain & attempt to conjole, encourage & campaign for more inclusion but there is simply no incentive for those that make the decisions (and the money) to change, to give up part of the financial pie. And only if they see the pie getting substantially larger will they make changes - and they'll only do that if they see the status quo being threatened.

True.
I usually don't prescribe this...but litigate and get Congress involved. That's the only possible leverage.

Utah did it years ago, and Sen. Orrin Hatch was their strong-arm. Within a couple of years, they got their invite to the PAC.

They need to allow women to play if you want support from congress.
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Ike talked to a Dude in norman Oklahoma this morning and the Dude told Ike he's hearing talk of the
12 and ACC adding a couple of teams. TIGERNATION is being mentioned in the talks.
Ike asked about the BIG and the Dude said he had not heard but it wouldn't surprise him because he believes the BIG wants a foot print in the mid south region. Bingo TIGERNATION
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Really, Ike?

I wonder if the dude knows where Texas and OK are going...?
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