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(12-12-2019 02:21 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  Looks like there may be a way to compete for a national championship afterall.


We still have everyone in the G5 chasing one spot. At least it is a sep up from just the bowl. Is there potential that the two at-large spots could go to a G5 as well as the perm spot? wouldn't happen but it would be at least nice to hopefully naive.
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(12-12-2019 04:07 PM)Tigerx3 Wrote:  
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(12-09-2019 01:47 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  We need to be one of the good schools that leaves to the P5. We want in on the next round of expansion.

We are for sure right now. Us, UCF, and Cincinnati have created separation from Houston, Boise, BYU and USF. Only UCF has reached its ceiling; us and Cincinnati have room to grow.

Right after the bowl show there were some ESPN gumps talking about the AAC and Memphis specifically. They said the AAC had to win big games to really be taken serious. Then they said the same thing about Memphis!

Every benchmark we hit there will always be a replacement "you gotta prove yourself". No matter how many AAC teams win big games we are still not considered part of the aristocracy. Never mind that a bunch of them were not always among the P5 elite.

Hope it happens. I believe it can.

Besides FB, Rudd is doing his part to get our academic rep, our enrollment, our public image, Carnegie ratings, etc respectable. His 6 yr report is filled with accomplishments.

We are playing a blueblood that is overrated, that we can beat, on a neutral field. It is a 7 hour drive, 1 hour and 15 minute flight for our fans, and a 23 hour drive or 3 hour flight for Penn State. If we win we have a decent shot at finishing the season in the top 10.

It is an incredible once in a lifetime (so far) opportunity for us.
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(12-10-2019 12:08 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(12-10-2019 10:24 AM)Alanda Wrote:  A non-football improvement is continuing to improve on the National University Ranking. The school finally cracked the list, but it's still something that P5 conferences have used against us.

(12-09-2019 02:01 PM)Stammers Wrote:  There isn't a way to fix it, but there are doable ways to make it more fair.

1. 8 team playoff with a spot for 1 non P5 team

2. Two made for TV neutral site games at the beginning of each season with two preseason top 5 P5 schools versus the two top preaseason non P5 schools.

3. Everyone talks about the NY6 Bowls. Let the next highest ranked non P5 have a spot in the next tier of bowls with payouts of $6 million or more. Last year they would include the Citrus Bowl, Alamo Bowl, Outback Bowl, Holiday Bowl, Texas Bowl and Camping World Bowl. Having non P5 schools taking up 2 spots out of 24 shouldn't be the end of the world for the P5.

If you have two non P5 schools playing in meaningful bowls with good payouts, you incentivize playing a tough schedule, which then will allow a great 2 loss team to make a good bowl game.

One of those things that makes sense to the point it would never happen.

We are finally making inroads on the rankings. The other killer is our endowment, which is very low. Having said that, Shirley and now Rudd have made terrific inroads over the last 10 years. The university is showing incredible improvement.

When we made our Big12 bid, Rudd didn't emphasize building an OCS, improving facilities or adding to our athletic budget. He specifically mentioned $500 million would be invested in the university, with a huge chunk devoted to capital improvements.

When I started posting here over 20 years ago, posters complained about light bulbs not working, the library barely having books and being flooded, air conditioning not working in a lot of classrooms, and the school's inability to spend the money needed to attract the best and the brightest professors. The school has come a long way in the last few years, with more improvements along the way.

- Memphis Community Health Building $60 million
- Student Recreation & Fitness Building $62 million (under construction)
- Cecil C. Humphreys move $41 million state funds + $2 million construction retrofit
- John S. Wilder Tower $3.6 million
- Parking garage $24 million
- Land bridge $18 million
- Fogelman College Of Business $800,000
- LB state of the art scoreboard $2.5 million
- LB sound system upgraded to not the world's crappiest
- LB, painted, general renovations $8 million
- LB $12 million, ADA compliant
- LB Tiger Lane $15 million
- LB chair backs $5 million
- FedEx Park $3 million
- Billy J. Murphy locker room, weight room $3 million
- Billy J. Murphy/IPF $30 million (out of $40 million)

I haven't updated the list in over a year, so I am sure there is more, but the transformation has been incredible and it adds up to an infusion of $350 million give or take.

Memphians are weird in some ways. You alternately have huge civic pride while putting down the city. I have to say that this has improved dramatically and exponentially over the last 20 years. The city is amazing and continues to get more amazing, same with the university.

A few more. May have some overlap.

Upcoming projects include:
Alumni Faculty House— $2 million gifts/plant funds

Park Avenue housing with 400 beds— $18 million private funds

Wilder Tower 12th floor multi-purpose — $650,000 plant funds

Natatorium Facility (U of M president M. David Rudd said he was approached by someone who wants to give $6 million to the university to expand the pool and create a facility that could be used for competitive swimming.) — $6 million in gifts

Parking expansion (The university is planning to expand surface parking along Zach Curlin, Deloach and Norriswood to add back parking spaces that will be lost with the construction of the Music Center.) — $2 million auxiliary funds

Tennis Facility (Rudd said he is working with the City of Memphis on a potential partnership to provide indoor and outdoor courts as well as locker rooms.) — $3 million gifts/plant funds

Parking Garage North (With the creation of a music and arts district near the campus

Holiday Inn, major events will conflict with students going to class, Poteet said, so the university is working on a plan to be proactive about parking.) — $11.25 million

Performing Arts Building

Rudds 6 yr report was just released and there is more in there.
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I think the Laurie-Walton was left off the list, as well.
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"Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott: Missing playoff 'harmful' to league"
Quote:NEW YORK -- A Pac-12 team has made the College Football Playoff just twice in six seasons and none of the past three.

If anyone should be leading the charge toward expanding the four-team model, you would think it would be Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/st...ful-league
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Yes by all means lets torpedo football again. Make no mistake that's what you are suggesting. There is no middle ground with football, I mean we should know because we have been there, we know what happens. We are not going to pay 5 mil for a football coach but we are going to pay 2-3 million for one. No one here including you knows where the landscape of college football is going. I mean you want to play "what if" then what if the playoff expands to 8 and guarantees a G5 slot? Suddenly being a leading G5 program looks way more attractive that being a lower tier P5. De-emphasizing football is not going to improve endowments or help academics in fact in may well hurt endowments. You should read this before jumping to conclusions. UAB Football
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(12-09-2019 01:44 PM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  Seeing the thread about Feinstein's article comparing AAC football to ACC begs the question about how the college football landscape will look in the future and U of Memphis' place in that landscape. One of his points was that schools not in P5 conferences need not apply for a national championship. UCF went undefeated 2 years in a row and never sniffed the playoff. No G5 school will get enough benefit of the doubt from the decision makers to get in, unless the expansion that has been rumored comes to pass and they slot the 8th seed to the G5 winner.

Short of that, what do you think the U of M should do in light of the fixed and broken D1, FBS college football system? If good coaches keep leaving for P5 schools, at what point do we acknowledge the ceiling that Memphis football has? How much more investment should be made? in what way should the school be investing in football?

If Cincinnati beats IU and Notre next year, then runs the table, they'll get in.
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(02-12-2021 10:16 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  
(12-09-2019 01:44 PM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  Seeing the thread about Feinstein's article comparing AAC football to ACC begs the question about how the college football landscape will look in the future and U of Memphis' place in that landscape. One of his points was that schools not in P5 conferences need not apply for a national championship. UCF went undefeated 2 years in a row and never sniffed the playoff. No G5 school will get enough benefit of the doubt from the decision makers to get in, unless the expansion that has been rumored comes to pass and they slot the 8th seed to the G5 winner.

Short of that, what do you think the U of M should do in light of the fixed and broken D1, FBS college football system? If good coaches keep leaving for P5 schools, at what point do we acknowledge the ceiling that Memphis football has? How much more investment should be made? in what way should the school be investing in football?

If Cincinnati beats IU and Notre next year, then runs the table, they'll get in.

Old thread, but it still applies.
No, Cincy will not. Hard to believe that some still think it's possible for the G5 to get in - after the past few years.
An IU win carries no clout. And ND will be viewed as a fluke. It would be just like this year - Cincy kept just out of reach of the CFP, as other teams leapfrog them.
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(02-12-2021 03:09 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 10:16 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  
(12-09-2019 01:44 PM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  Seeing the thread about Feinstein's article comparing AAC football to ACC begs the question about how the college football landscape will look in the future and U of Memphis' place in that landscape. One of his points was that schools not in P5 conferences need not apply for a national championship. UCF went undefeated 2 years in a row and never sniffed the playoff. No G5 school will get enough benefit of the doubt from the decision makers to get in, unless the expansion that has been rumored comes to pass and they slot the 8th seed to the G5 winner.

Short of that, what do you think the U of M should do in light of the fixed and broken D1, FBS college football system? If good coaches keep leaving for P5 schools, at what point do we acknowledge the ceiling that Memphis football has? How much more investment should be made? in what way should the school be investing in football?

If Cincinnati beats IU and Notre next year, then runs the table, they'll get in.

Old thread, but it still applies.
No, Cincy will not. Hard to believe that some still think it's possible for the G5 to get in - after the past few years.
An IU win carries no clout. And ND will be viewed as a fluke. It would be just like this year - Cincy kept just out of reach of the CFP, as other teams leapfrog them.

Especially after they lose to us in the conference championship game.
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Upgrade our OOC schedule and ditch the CUPCAKES
Ike doesn't understand how other schools in TIGERNATION conference play a tougher OOC schedule.
IKE's been told there r two conferences with a strong interest in adding TIGERNATION.
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(12-09-2019 01:44 PM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  Seeing the thread about Feinstein's article comparing AAC football to ACC begs the question about how the college football landscape will look in the future and U of Memphis' place in that landscape. One of his points was that schools not in P5 conferences need not apply for a national championship. UCF went undefeated 2 years in a row and never sniffed the playoff. No G5 school will get enough benefit of the doubt from the decision makers to get in, unless the expansion that has been rumored comes to pass and they slot the 8th seed to the G5 winner.

Short of that, what do you think the U of M should do in light of the fixed and broken D1, FBS college football system? If good coaches keep leaving for P5 schools, at what point do we acknowledge the ceiling that Memphis football has? How much more investment should be made? in what way should the school be investing in football?

G5 Access New Years bowl is the ceiling. And the prize comes with the head coach leaving before the game.
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(02-12-2021 07:12 PM)pfunk Wrote:  
(12-09-2019 01:44 PM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  Seeing the thread about Feinstein's article comparing AAC football to ACC begs the question about how the college football landscape will look in the future and U of Memphis' place in that landscape. One of his points was that schools not in P5 conferences need not apply for a national championship. UCF went undefeated 2 years in a row and never sniffed the playoff. No G5 school will get enough benefit of the doubt from the decision makers to get in, unless the expansion that has been rumored comes to pass and they slot the 8th seed to the G5 winner.

Short of that, what do you think the U of M should do in light of the fixed and broken D1, FBS college football system? If good coaches keep leaving for P5 schools, at what point do we acknowledge the ceiling that Memphis football has? How much more investment should be made? in what way should the school be investing in football?

G5 Access New Years bowl is the ceiling. And the prize comes with the head coach leaving before the game.

Pretty much the ceiling for every P5 not named Alabama, Clemson, ND, Oklahoma, OSU...
Everyone else is playing for the same eight slots as us. Only difference is they have a “chance”, as far fetched as it may be.
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There is absolutely nothing a G5 can do to get in the championship playoffs unless they add a spot for us. If anyone really thinks the a$$holes in charge would magnanimously give us a fair shot you are kidding yourself. The only way in is to be added to a P5 conference and then we would have the same chance as Ole Miss or Perdue, which is still zero.
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(02-12-2021 03:09 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 10:16 AM)fishman6581 Wrote:  
(12-09-2019 01:44 PM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  Seeing the thread about Feinstein's article comparing AAC football to ACC begs the question about how the college football landscape will look in the future and U of Memphis' place in that landscape. One of his points was that schools not in P5 conferences need not apply for a national championship. UCF went undefeated 2 years in a row and never sniffed the playoff. No G5 school will get enough benefit of the doubt from the decision makers to get in, unless the expansion that has been rumored comes to pass and they slot the 8th seed to the G5 winner.

Short of that, what do you think the U of M should do in light of the fixed and broken D1, FBS college football system? If good coaches keep leaving for P5 schools, at what point do we acknowledge the ceiling that Memphis football has? How much more investment should be made? in what way should the school be investing in football?

If Cincinnati beats IU and Notre next year, then runs the table, they'll get in.

Old thread, but it still applies.
No, Cincy will not. Hard to believe that some still think it's possible for the G5 to get in - after the past few years.
An IU win carries no clout. And ND will be viewed as a fluke. It would be just like this year - Cincy kept just out of reach of the CFP, as other teams leapfrog them.

Yep, still a fantasy that a G5 will make the CFP in it's present format. And still a fantasy that Cincy, Memphis & UCF have separated themselves from other G5 schools. BYU finished the season ranked near the top 10, Coastal, LA & a couple of others were all ranked ahead of us this past season. All a reminder that unless we win the AAC going undefeated or one loss, some other G5 is likely to get the NY6 bowl & in a revised/expanded CFP, it's the same chance. The P-5 will only agree to an expanded CFP if they get the $$ & will give the G5 as little as possible. There will be nothing fair about the process.
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(02-12-2021 10:57 PM)cmt Wrote:  There is absolutely nothing a G5 can do to get in the championship playoffs unless they add a spot for us. If anyone really thinks the a$$holes in charge would magnanimously give us a fair shot you are kidding yourself. The only way in is to be added to a P5 conference and then we would have the same chance as Ole Miss or Perdue, which is still zero.

Look what happened to Ole Miss when they got close to wrecking the party - they got busted for doing the same things that all the other big boys do. And Miss St gets close and then loses their coach to a bigger P5 program. Vandy had the nerve to compete with the middle rung SEC teams, and they lose their coach to Penn St.
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(02-12-2021 05:15 PM)memphisike Wrote:  Upgrade our OOC schedule and ditch the CUPCAKES
Ike doesn't understand how other schools in TIGERNATION conference play a tougher OOC schedule.
IKE's been told there r two conferences with a strong interest in adding TIGERNATION.

USA and SUNBELT ?
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(02-13-2021 03:33 AM)jsw3ent Wrote:  
(02-12-2021 05:15 PM)memphisike Wrote:  Upgrade our OOC schedule and ditch the CUPCAKES
Ike doesn't understand how other schools in TIGERNATION conference play a tougher OOC schedule.
IKE's been told there r two conferences with a strong interest in adding TIGERNATION.

USA and SUNBELT ?

That’s the spirit. If I were that pessimistic, there is no way I’d follow sports. Hope is what keeps me around.
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G5 team wants in national championship? Schedule an away 'buy" game with preferably Bama. If you cannot schedule Bama, try Clemson or Ohio St.
Then, win 'em all. Run the table.
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(02-12-2021 03:09 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
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(12-09-2019 01:44 PM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  Seeing the thread about Feinstein's article comparing AAC football to ACC begs the question about how the college football landscape will look in the future and U of Memphis' place in that landscape. One of his points was that schools not in P5 conferences need not apply for a national championship. UCF went undefeated 2 years in a row and never sniffed the playoff. No G5 school will get enough benefit of the doubt from the decision makers to get in, unless the expansion that has been rumored comes to pass and they slot the 8th seed to the G5 winner.

Short of that, what do you think the U of M should do in light of the fixed and broken D1, FBS college football system? If good coaches keep leaving for P5 schools, at what point do we acknowledge the ceiling that Memphis football has? How much more investment should be made? in what way should the school be investing in football?

If Cincinnati beats IU and Notre next year, then runs the table, they'll get in.

Old thread, but it still applies.
No, Cincy will not. Hard to believe that some still think it's possible for the G5 to get in - after the past few years.
An IU win carries no clout. And ND will be viewed as a fluke. It would be just like this year - Cincy kept just out of reach of the CFP, as other teams leapfrog them.

I agree. Under present situation no P5 will ever be in the playoffs.
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(02-13-2021 08:31 AM)roachman48 Wrote:  G5 team wants in national championship? Schedule an away 'buy" game with preferably Bama. If you cannot schedule Bama, try Clemson or Ohio St.
Then, win 'em all. Run the table.

lol
Sounds like an $EC fan.
First, none of them will schedule a top tier G5.
Second, why is that the bar - winning at Bama? Nobody does that. Bama has lost 1 home game in the last 5 years and that was to last year's NC LSU team.
Third, even if they would schedule us and even if we win, they still keep us out.
We have proven our competitiveness time and again in the NY bowl games. It gets us nothing.

We have shown the past few years that our conference is not far below the B12, equal to the ACC, and better than the PAC. Yet if there is an undefeated champ from any of those conferences, they get a top 2 slot in the CFP. Our undefeated champ gets a NY bowl.
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