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Just to illustrate what a joke the narrative is -
Ryan Leaf was calling the Sun Belt Champ game and said he felt as if App St should get that Cotton Bowl spot because: (a) they had wins over 2 P5 teams an no one else in contention had more than 1 and (b) the eye test.

App St beat a 6-6 North Carolina and a 4-8 South Carolina. They had 0 wins over a ranked team and lost to GA Southern. Since a school like Memphis resume would crush that, then we revert to the good ol’ “eye test” which is always a favorite of Vitale, Bilas, Seth Davis, etc in March.

Obviously, Ryan Leaf is a total moron and not just because of this. He’s had a lot of dumb takes when calling games this season, but it shows an espn employee trying to prop up the p5 over g5 as far as quality wins go. Dumb.
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A non-football improvement is continuing to improve on the National University Ranking. The school finally cracked the list, but it's still something that P5 conferences have used against us.

(12-09-2019 02:01 PM)Stammers Wrote:  There isn't a way to fix it, but there are doable ways to make it more fair.

1. 8 team playoff with a spot for 1 non P5 team

2. Two made for TV neutral site games at the beginning of each season with two preseason top 5 P5 schools versus the two top preaseason non P5 schools.

3. Everyone talks about the NY6 Bowls. Let the next highest ranked non P5 have a spot in the next tier of bowls with payouts of $6 million or more. Last year they would include the Citrus Bowl, Alamo Bowl, Outback Bowl, Holiday Bowl, Texas Bowl and Camping World Bowl. Having non P5 schools taking up 2 spots out of 24 shouldn't be the end of the world for the P5.

If you have two non P5 schools playing in meaningful bowls with good payouts, you incentivize playing a tough schedule, which then will allow a great 2 loss team to make a good bowl game.

One of those things that makes sense to the point it would never happen.
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(12-09-2019 02:58 PM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  
(12-09-2019 02:29 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  Unfortunately there are other factors that do not include performance on the field that seems to be keeping us out of the power five. I’m not saying that it’s right, but it does seem to swing that way. We were nowhere near the big 12 the last time, and we thought we were the top contender and didn’t even make the first Round of cuts.

Exactly. This isn't just about on the field performance or selling out the Liberty Bowl for the UALR game. There are academic factors that come into play. To improve those factors may take investments that are just not feasible for the U of M. That is part of the reason why I asked about how to invest in football going forward. The reality is that U of M probably won't be considered for expansion in any of the P5 conferences, no matter what happens on the field. At some point, either the system has to change, or some hard decisions will have to be made about the right level of investment for football. Paying the Football Coach at U of M $5 million is just not a good investment, will never get the return on that. Like Ms. Sofia to Ciely in the Color Purple "It ain't wirf it, it ain't wirf it" LOL!!!!

It sounds to me (and I don't have any sources on what is going on academically) that Rudd is doing things also to try to improve the University itself -- new buildings, deal on education for FedEx employees, etc. It also seems like we are moving up somewhat in the college "rankings." Is there a sense Rudd is not paying attention to academics and the overall non-sports part of the University?
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(12-10-2019 09:46 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Football is the single-most highest profile outreach that universities have. Attendance and tv appearances put the school in front of more people than anything else - either athletically or academically. There have been plenty of studies showing the correlation of football success to university enrollment.

To make "hard decisions" regarding football, is to jump headlong down a slippery slope of contracting the outreach of a university.

You are right, for some universities like Alabama, Clemson, Florida, Texas, strong football has paid the school in exposure and increased student enrollment. But, ultimately, schools are not vehicles to showcase football. Football is a part of a university with a broad reach and mission. For some schools, like the ones previously mentioned, investing millions of dollars into a football program is well worth it. But for most schools, football is a money pit. We have discussed on here before how most schools, even in the P5 conferences, lose money on football, because it costs so much to be competitive at the highest levels of college football. Most schools even lose money going to bowl games.

All I am asking is at what point does investing in football at Memphis become a bad investment, considering the ceiling imposed on it by a broken system?
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(12-10-2019 10:24 AM)Alanda Wrote:  A non-football improvement is continuing to improve on the National University Ranking. The school finally cracked the list, but it's still something that P5 conferences have used against us.

(12-09-2019 02:01 PM)Stammers Wrote:  There isn't a way to fix it, but there are doable ways to make it more fair.

1. 8 team playoff with a spot for 1 non P5 team

2. Two made for TV neutral site games at the beginning of each season with two preseason top 5 P5 schools versus the two top preaseason non P5 schools.

3. Everyone talks about the NY6 Bowls. Let the next highest ranked non P5 have a spot in the next tier of bowls with payouts of $6 million or more. Last year they would include the Citrus Bowl, Alamo Bowl, Outback Bowl, Holiday Bowl, Texas Bowl and Camping World Bowl. Having non P5 schools taking up 2 spots out of 24 shouldn't be the end of the world for the P5.

If you have two non P5 schools playing in meaningful bowls with good payouts, you incentivize playing a tough schedule, which then will allow a great 2 loss team to make a good bowl game.

One of those things that makes sense to the point it would never happen.

We are finally making inroads on the rankings. The other killer is our endowment, which is very low. Having said that, Shirley and now Rudd have made terrific inroads over the last 10 years. The university is showing incredible improvement.

When we made our Big12 bid, Rudd didn't emphasize building an OCS, improving facilities or adding to our athletic budget. He specifically mentioned $500 million would be invested in the university, with a huge chunk devoted to capital improvements.

When I started posting here over 20 years ago, posters complained about light bulbs not working, the library barely having books and being flooded, air conditioning not working in a lot of classrooms, and the school's inability to spend the money needed to attract the best and the brightest professors. The school has come a long way in the last few years, with more improvements along the way.

- Memphis Community Health Building $60 million
- Student Recreation & Fitness Building $62 million (under construction)
- Cecil C. Humphreys move $41 million state funds + $2 million construction retrofit
- John S. Wilder Tower $3.6 million
- Parking garage $24 million
- Land bridge $18 million
- Fogelman College Of Business $800,000
- LB state of the art scoreboard $2.5 million
- LB sound system upgraded to not the world's crappiest
- LB, painted, general renovations $8 million
- LB $12 million, ADA compliant
- LB Tiger Lane $15 million
- LB chair backs $5 million
- FedEx Park $3 million
- Billy J. Murphy locker room, weight room $3 million
- Billy J. Murphy/IPF $30 million (out of $40 million)

I haven't updated the list in over a year, so I am sure there is more, but the transformation has been incredible and it adds up to an infusion of $350 million give or take.

Memphians are weird in some ways. You alternately have huge civic pride while putting down the city. I have to say that this has improved dramatically and exponentially over the last 20 years. The city is amazing and continues to get more amazing, same with the university.
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(12-09-2019 02:23 PM)former guest Wrote:  Going forward, we need to continue to invest in the program and keep improving until we get to the point that someone has to take notice. See how far we've come in the last few years since our AD turned over leadership and the investments started coming in and we started to apply them where they would provide the biggest impact.

Bottom line - we have to continue on the trajectory we've established in the last couple of years until we become recognized as the "new Boise State". Then if expansion shakes things up we might have a chance.

What conference did that get Boise St into?
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(12-10-2019 12:08 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(12-10-2019 10:24 AM)Alanda Wrote:  A non-football improvement is continuing to improve on the National University Ranking. The school finally cracked the list, but it's still something that P5 conferences have used against us.

(12-09-2019 02:01 PM)Stammers Wrote:  There isn't a way to fix it, but there are doable ways to make it more fair.

1. 8 team playoff with a spot for 1 non P5 team

2. Two made for TV neutral site games at the beginning of each season with two preseason top 5 P5 schools versus the two top preaseason non P5 schools.

3. Everyone talks about the NY6 Bowls. Let the next highest ranked non P5 have a spot in the next tier of bowls with payouts of $6 million or more. Last year they would include the Citrus Bowl, Alamo Bowl, Outback Bowl, Holiday Bowl, Texas Bowl and Camping World Bowl. Having non P5 schools taking up 2 spots out of 24 shouldn't be the end of the world for the P5.

If you have two non P5 schools playing in meaningful bowls with good payouts, you incentivize playing a tough schedule, which then will allow a great 2 loss team to make a good bowl game.

One of those things that makes sense to the point it would never happen.

We are finally making inroads on the rankings. The other killer is our endowment, which is very low. Having said that, Shirley and now Rudd have made terrific inroads over the last 10 years. The university is showing incredible improvement.

When we made our Big12 bid, Rudd didn't emphasize building an OCS, improving facilities or adding to our athletic budget. He specifically mentioned $500 million would be invested in the university, with a huge chunk devoted to capital improvements.

When I started posting here over 20 years ago, posters complained about light bulbs not working, the library barely having books and being flooded, air conditioning not working in a lot of classrooms, and the school's inability to spend the money needed to attract the best and the brightest professors. The school has come a long way in the last few years, with more improvements along the way.

- Memphis Community Health Building $60 million
- Student Recreation & Fitness Building $62 million (under construction)
- Cecil C. Humphreys move $41 million state funds + $2 million construction retrofit
- John S. Wilder Tower $3.6 million
- Parking garage $24 million
- Land bridge $18 million
- Fogelman College Of Business $800,000
- LB state of the art scoreboard $2.5 million
- LB sound system upgraded to not the world's crappiest
- LB, painted, general renovations $8 million
- LB $12 million, ADA compliant
- LB Tiger Lane $15 million
- LB chair backs $5 million
- FedEx Park $3 million
- Billy J. Murphy locker room, weight room $3 million
- Billy J. Murphy/IPF $30 million (out of $40 million)

I haven't updated the list in over a year, so I am sure there is more, but the transformation has been incredible and it adds up to an infusion of $350 million give or take.

Memphians are weird in some ways. You alternately have huge civic pride while putting down the city. I have to say that this has improved dramatically and exponentially over the last 20 years. The city is amazing and continues to get more amazing, same with the university.

I went down the google rabbit hole about a month ago and learned a little about how endowment had an impact in general for conference realignment. This was probably discussed when the Big 12 stuff was blowing up awhile back, but I did a fast Wikipedia search on the numbers for each team and year of that info. USF and Memphis numbers were older so I went to US News. And it turned out that UCF's number was lower than what was listed on Wikipedia. I was surprised to see UCF in last.

Cincinnati – $1.367B (2018)
UCF – $164.7M (2018-19)
ECU – $219M (2017-18?)
Houston – $942.8M (2017-18)
Memphis – $216.2M (2017-18)
USF – $444.4M (2017-18)
SMU – $1.633B (2017-18)
Temple – $642.3M (2017-18)
Tulane – $1.384B (2017-18)
Tulsa – $1.093B (2017-18)

I transferred to UofM Spring '97 and lived in Richardson Towers for I think two and a half years. I also got to use the recreation facilities before they updated them a year or two later. I think some of the plates for lifting were covered in rust. 03-lol I used to spend a lot of my time in the arcade in the old UC building.

The campus was making some improvements during the time I was there. I remember driving by it one last time before I left Memphis. It was looking way better than when I was there. It really needed the overhaul and it's good to see the campus getting it.
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(12-10-2019 12:54 PM)John44932 Wrote:  
(12-09-2019 02:23 PM)former guest Wrote:  Going forward, we need to continue to invest in the program and keep improving until we get to the point that someone has to take notice. See how far we've come in the last few years since our AD turned over leadership and the investments started coming in and we started to apply them where they would provide the biggest impact.

Bottom line - we have to continue on the trajectory we've established in the last couple of years until we become recognized as the "new Boise State". Then if expansion shakes things up we might have a chance.

What conference did that get Boise St into?

It got them into the we are in the middle of nowhere and play in a 30,000 seat stadium with the #100 tv market conference. Apples and oranges compared to us, especially as far as the ceiling for both is concerned.
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(12-10-2019 11:20 AM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  
(12-10-2019 09:46 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Football is the single-most highest profile outreach that universities have. Attendance and tv appearances put the school in front of more people than anything else - either athletically or academically. There have been plenty of studies showing the correlation of football success to university enrollment.

To make "hard decisions" regarding football, is to jump headlong down a slippery slope of contracting the outreach of a university.

You are right, for some universities like Alabama, Clemson, Florida, Texas, strong football has paid the school in exposure and increased student enrollment. But, ultimately, schools are not vehicles to showcase football. Football is a part of a university with a broad reach and mission. For some schools, like the ones previously mentioned, investing millions of dollars into a football program is well worth it. But for most schools, football is a money pit. We have discussed on here before how most schools, even in the P5 conferences, lose money on football, because it costs so much to be competitive at the highest levels of college football. Most schools even lose money going to bowl games.

All I am asking is at what point does investing in football at Memphis become a bad investment, considering the ceiling imposed on it by a broken system?

If you are trying to question the validity of maintaining the football program, my response is you do whatever it takes for as long as it takes. You keep working and improving and making the program as good as it has to be to keep pounding against that ceiling until someone has to take notice of us.

What would you prefer, we roll over and throw away the years of program history because we just want to quit because “that’s not fair”?
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(12-10-2019 08:43 PM)former guest Wrote:  If you are trying to question the validity of maintaining the football program, my response is you do whatever it takes for as long as it takes. You keep working and improving and making the program as good as it has to be to keep pounding against that ceiling until someone has to take notice of us.

What would you prefer, we roll over and throw away the years of program history because we just want to quit because “that’s not fair”?

No, I am not advocating ending football at all. That is a huge leap from what I am discussing in this thread. What I am saying is that as a public university with the 2nd smallest endowment in the AAC, at what point does investment in football become irresponsible, considering the broad mission and reach of the university? Norvell was paid $2.4 million/yr to coach D1 college football, no doubt the highest paid public employee at the University. Yet, that was about half of what he will be paid at Florida St. Does the university need to pay the football coach $5 million/yr? Or should it cap coaching salaries in the $2-3 million/yr range? What return on investment should the university expect from football, not just fiscal, but with exposure, student enrollment, etc.? Are they getting it from football? How do they know?

These are the questions one must consider now that we see that the system has capped out Memphis Football at the New Year's 6 bowl level. It makes little sense to invest like a national championship is possible, when it is not.
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(12-10-2019 08:43 PM)former guest Wrote:  
(12-10-2019 11:20 AM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  
(12-10-2019 09:46 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Football is the single-most highest profile outreach that universities have. Attendance and tv appearances put the school in front of more people than anything else - either athletically or academically. There have been plenty of studies showing the correlation of football success to university enrollment.

To make "hard decisions" regarding football, is to jump headlong down a slippery slope of contracting the outreach of a university.

You are right, for some universities like Alabama, Clemson, Florida, Texas, strong football has paid the school in exposure and increased student enrollment. But, ultimately, schools are not vehicles to showcase football. Football is a part of a university with a broad reach and mission. For some schools, like the ones previously mentioned, investing millions of dollars into a football program is well worth it. But for most schools, football is a money pit. We have discussed on here before how most schools, even in the P5 conferences, lose money on football, because it costs so much to be competitive at the highest levels of college football. Most schools even lose money going to bowl games.

All I am asking is at what point does investing in football at Memphis become a bad investment, considering the ceiling imposed on it by a broken system?

If you are trying to question the validity of maintaining the football program, my response is you do whatever it takes for as long as it takes. You keep working and improving and making the program as good as it has to be to keep pounding against that ceiling until someone has to take notice of us.

What would you prefer, we roll over and throw away the years of program history because we just want to quit because “that’s not fair”?

I can't answer for him. But this sounds like the old argument made by basketball-only's. That is, shutdown the program - or move it down a division - and invest all the money in basketball.

I hope I'm wrong and he has a better perspective and new ideas.
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They definitely are not investing for a run at a national championship...not even close. Rudd has been very vocal about the value FB brings. He told a story about a $3M donation to academics due to fball exposure from someone with no connection to the city or program.

Memphis compares favorably to most of the G5 as far as finances go. One endowment has already been set up with another to be announced this spring for salaries. Allie Prescott is putting that one together. Not sure why anyone would want to cap salaries when boosters are the ones ponying up. If that’s how they want to spend their money, I say thank you. The admin is working toward sustainability which is why the new tv contract is so important. Before it was announced, Rudd said $6M was needed per year to maintain a $50M budget. It will average out to $7M per year so all seems good there. If you watch the last BOT meeting, you’ll hear the university referenced as a three legged stool with academics, research and athletics as the legs.
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I'm curious about how the football program did this year. Once we get our cut of the Cotton Bowl payout, our share of the AAC TV contact, and the revenue from tickets sold, do we make a profit, or break even?

Even if we break even, it seems like there is opportunity to make money in football, if only by increasing ticket sales. We will get there. Tiger lane, improvements to the LB, and of course, consistently good teams will help ticket revenues grow.

It will also help to have Ole Miss, Miss State or Tennessee in here when they aren't terrible, and will bring some fans. The fact that Ole Miss didn't bring many fans is an embarrassment for the Rebels.
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(12-10-2019 10:24 AM)Alanda Wrote:  A non-football improvement is continuing to improve on the National University Ranking. The school finally cracked the list, but it's still something that P5 conferences have used against us.

(12-09-2019 02:01 PM)Stammers Wrote:  There isn't a way to fix it, but there are doable ways to make it more fair.

1. 8 team playoff with a spot for 1 non P5 team

2. Two made for TV neutral site games at the beginning of each season with two preseason top 5 P5 schools versus the two top preaseason non P5 schools.

3. Everyone talks about the NY6 Bowls. Let the next highest ranked non P5 have a spot in the next tier of bowls with payouts of $6 million or more. Last year they would include the Citrus Bowl, Alamo Bowl, Outback Bowl, Holiday Bowl, Texas Bowl and Camping World Bowl. Having non P5 schools taking up 2 spots out of 24 shouldn't be the end of the world for the P5.

If you have two non P5 schools playing in meaningful bowls with good payouts, you incentivize playing a tough schedule, which then will allow a great 2 loss team to make a good bowl game.

One of those things that makes sense to the point it would never happen.

Oh man that tuition has shyrocketed. In my first semester around 12 years ago, tuition was just under $3000 a semester.
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(12-11-2019 03:51 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(12-10-2019 08:43 PM)former guest Wrote:  
(12-10-2019 11:20 AM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  
(12-10-2019 09:46 AM)Tiger87 Wrote:  Football is the single-most highest profile outreach that universities have. Attendance and tv appearances put the school in front of more people than anything else - either athletically or academically. There have been plenty of studies showing the correlation of football success to university enrollment.

To make "hard decisions" regarding football, is to jump headlong down a slippery slope of contracting the outreach of a university.

You are right, for some universities like Alabama, Clemson, Florida, Texas, strong football has paid the school in exposure and increased student enrollment. But, ultimately, schools are not vehicles to showcase football. Football is a part of a university with a broad reach and mission. For some schools, like the ones previously mentioned, investing millions of dollars into a football program is well worth it. But for most schools, football is a money pit. We have discussed on here before how most schools, even in the P5 conferences, lose money on football, because it costs so much to be competitive at the highest levels of college football. Most schools even lose money going to bowl games.

All I am asking is at what point does investing in football at Memphis become a bad investment, considering the ceiling imposed on it by a broken system?

If you are trying to question the validity of maintaining the football program, my response is you do whatever it takes for as long as it takes. You keep working and improving and making the program as good as it has to be to keep pounding against that ceiling until someone has to take notice of us.

What would you prefer, we roll over and throw away the years of program history because we just want to quit because “that’s not fair”?

I can't answer for him. But this sounds like the old argument made by basketball-only's. That is, shutdown the program - or move it down a division - and invest all the money in basketball.

I hope I'm wrong and he has a better perspective and new ideas.



Tiger87 I feel the same way. I didn't respond to the OP because I didn't think it warranted a response to his pot stirring, negative (one of many) thread regarding our football program.
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(12-11-2019 04:32 PM)wylioats Wrote:  
(12-11-2019 03:51 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  I can't answer for him. But this sounds like the old argument made by basketball-only's. That is, shutdown the program - or move it down a division - and invest all the money in basketball.

I hope I'm wrong and he has a better perspective and new ideas.



Tiger87 I feel the same way. I didn't respond to the OP because I didn't think it warranted a response to his pot stirring, negative (one of many) thread regarding our football program.

Who said anything about basketball? The thread is about the level of investment in football that makes sense for Memphis given the broken FBS system. This has nothing to do with basketball.
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(12-10-2019 11:00 AM)bman Wrote:  
(12-09-2019 02:58 PM)Collegiate Black Man Wrote:  
(12-09-2019 02:29 PM)BIGDTiger Wrote:  Unfortunately there are other factors that do not include performance on the field that seems to be keeping us out of the power five. I’m not saying that it’s right, but it does seem to swing that way. We were nowhere near the big 12 the last time, and we thought we were the top contender and didn’t even make the first Round of cuts.

Exactly. This isn't just about on the field performance or selling out the Liberty Bowl for the UALR game. There are academic factors that come into play. To improve those factors may take investments that are just not feasible for the U of M. That is part of the reason why I asked about how to invest in football going forward. The reality is that U of M probably won't be considered for expansion in any of the P5 conferences, no matter what happens on the field. At some point, either the system has to change, or some hard decisions will have to be made about the right level of investment for football. Paying the Football Coach at U of M $5 million is just not a good investment, will never get the return on that. Like Ms. Sofia to Ciely in the Color Purple "It ain't wirf it, it ain't wirf it" LOL!!!!

It sounds to me (and I don't have any sources on what is going on academically) that Rudd is doing things also to try to improve the University itself -- new buildings, deal on education for FedEx employees, etc. It also seems like we are moving up somewhat in the college "rankings." Is there a sense Rudd is not paying attention to academics and the overall non-sports part of the University?

I'm not sure the university has made as much progress in such a short time period as it has under Dr. Rudd...Tier one and Carnegie R1 status within reach. For updates on all things coming on line, check out BOT meeting archives on the UM website. In the meeting last week, Carnegie status was updated. UM just missed the cutoff and is now above as of Dec 1st. By the time the next rankings come out, they will be well above. This is HUGE not only for academics, but for athletics. Realignment may yet still occur and Memphis doesn't need to be Vanderbilt just above min. requirements. As I mentioned in the thread Rudd describes UM as a three legged stool with Academics, Research and Athletics as supports.
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Looks like there may be a way to compete for a national championship afterall.

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That 8 team playoff is gonna happen sooner rather than later. Too much money in it. When it does, you can make the argument that Memphis is a better job than a ton of p5 schools. We’ll be competing for 1 spot with UCF, Houston, Boise most years and have a better shot at making it than the garbage of the P5 leagues.
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(12-09-2019 02:03 PM)Stammers Wrote:  
(12-09-2019 01:47 PM)aardWolf Wrote:  We need to be one of the good schools that leaves to the P5. We want in on the next round of expansion.

We are for sure right now. Us, UCF, and Cincinnati have created separation from Houston, Boise, BYU and USF. Only UCF has reached its ceiling; us and Cincinnati have room to grow.

Right after the bowl show there were some ESPN gumps talking about the AAC and Memphis specifically. They said the AAC had to win big games to really be taken serious. Then they said the same thing about Memphis!

Every benchmark we hit there will always be a replacement "you gotta prove yourself". No matter how many AAC teams win big games we are still not considered part of the aristocracy. Never mind that a bunch of them were not always among the P5 elite.

Hope it happens. I believe it can.

Besides FB, Rudd is doing his part to get our academic rep, our enrollment, our public image, Carnegie ratings, etc respectable. His 6 yr report is filled with accomplishments.
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