What does this young group do now? Do you throw in the towel or do you wait and see what happens when and if Ty gets back-Estime is out now and that's your 2 and 3 starters? I'm willing to wait and see-can Mike be that guy because he does defend and fills out a stats sheet? Can Brian be that guy as a first year guy? Can Phillips be that guy as a true freshman? UNCW does not have a veteran guy that can deliver right now other than Sims and Marty and they are sophs. They need a 3rd scorer than can defend some but they are injured. You can't win with 2 guys in double figures and you have to have double figures from the 2 man plus some from 1. It's that simple, it's a numbers game. If you don't get 70 points at least, you're not going to win.
Can this group defend at a good level by mid season? Will they drive and kick, which is easy to do but will guys take and hit shots? Can they stay true to playing inside out ball. A big problem in playing fast is boarding the ball. If you don't board, you can't get good shots early in clock. I liked seeing Bowden getting minutes to augment the other freshmen post players the other night. Bigger bodies at least and it gives him valuable experience. He does have athleticism and we need bodies. Who would have thought this a month ago?
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McGrath buried this team with his lack of ability, not recruiting another reliable big, not pressing, playing too many guys and poor in game adjustments. Oh yeah, and his post game catchphrase "They just made some tough shots!"
Don't be surprised if key players leave before the season is done. If we are this frustrated what do you think these young men are feeling? They are all dying to be coached properly.
I feel you Hawking and if guys leave, they leave. It's what happens these days.
As far as playing too many guys, well, there's not that many left my man and it's not the defense so much that's killing the Hawks right now, it's the offense as you know plus boarding. It gets back to getting another big, I know and agree. What do we do now? That's the question my friend? What do you do with this current roster? That's the question.
Team is limited offensively personnel wise therefore a team mindset of stops and sharing the ball is the best way. We can't change the roster or injuries to 2 KEY guys, and that DOES matter. If you lose 2 and 3, you have a problem unless guys step up into roles. It may be good in the long run.
(12-19-2019 02:20 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote: Ido think the SoCon/UNVW would be a great fit and I think they would jump on UNCW in a second. I don't think Bass has the foresight to make a move. I see Bass as more of a problem than CB and I would be favor of letting him go right now.
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The Socon is big on football. ETSU was kicked out when they dropped football.
Nothing will change. For those of you inclined to always see the bright side of things, here are thoughts from a realist.
No, we won't drive and kick out the ball. No, we won't get offensive rebounds. No, we won't press. No, we won't get more steals or create turnovers. No, our offense won't change. We will look like we did the first year McGrath got here, like we did last year and like we've looked in OOC this year. He is not a good coach and has no idea what to do to get anything out of any roster unless they are 5 star players, which anyone on this message board could do. This was a bad hire, and the sooner this nightmare is over, the better.
We've had players transfer out. We've been told that the problem was Keatts guys who "weren't buying in" to his "system". Well, now that all of the problem players are gone, where are we? Three years in and we're relying on freshmen and sophomores because he doesn't even know how to recruit. He should have more than ONE junior that HE recruited his first year that is good enough to be a starter. Instead, the only junior that could start, that didn't transfer is is Estime'. And McGrath didn't have enough confidence in him to allow him to start last year when he had players he wanted gone.
The problem we have is that nobody is going to look "good" under this coach. Because we have to play against other teams who have coaches that want to win as well. And their coaches are better than ours. As i've said before, if you can't figure out how to use Cacok effectively(when the guy before you SHOWED you how), then you can't use anyone effectively. My 13 year old daughter could figure out his strengths. It's not like he was an all around, multi skilled player. He could do a few things, but he was the best in the country in those few things. And as bad as we were, we are now seeing what a McGrath offense looks like without him.
And if anybody here thinks Gadsden is coming back, i've got a jetty to sell you on Wrightsville beach. He can keep an extra year of eligibility as a redshirt and transfer out without waiting. Why would he come back? He could throw a dart at a map and there's an 80% chance he'd hit a spot with a better coach and team than ours.
We'll have to wait out his contract and hope for a better hire next time. And the sooner we can cut ties, the better.
I prefer to just be honest and have basketball takes. And, losing your 2 and 3 will sink any team in this country period, end of story. They would still not be world beaters, but much more competitive. You're talking about a net gain of about 13 ppg at the moment, at least, which is huge. Role definition is everything in hoops.
My gut tells me that Gadsden will be back in 3 weeks. Let's see what happens.
If Gadsden's injury is his groin, it could be problematic. A groin injury can take a long time to recover from and can be reinjured quickly. He could be ready in three weeks or two months - it just depends on a lot of things.
Why do I have a feeling that Bass won’t make a move after this year with reason being that we are so young and relied on Freshmen and Sophomores this season. On top of the injuries to Gadsden and Estime.
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Because that is true, but going that young (recruiting philosophy) can cause issues, especially if the more veteran guys get hurt like in our case. The guys here have a good point that we needed another true big that was ready. Not sure that anyone could have expected being down your 2 and 3 man (that are veterans that can score) and then losing a shooter as well.
I'll leave all of that to Mr. Bass however because he decides things. That's his job and he has been good at his job so far. We all want a competitive team again soon!!
(12-20-2019 12:13 AM)HAWKING Wrote: McGrath buried this team with his lack of ability, not recruiting another reliable big, not pressing, playing too many guys and poor in game adjustments. Oh yeah, and his post game catchphrase "They just made some tough shots!"
Don't be surprised if key players leave before the season is done. If we are this frustrated what do you think these young men are feeling? They are all dying to be coached properly.
I understand their frustration, but that's about as over-emotional a move they could make, honestly. If they leave it's not like they get to play anywhere right away. Additionally, if I'm a coach looking for a kid to add to a program... I can tell you that I would absolutely NOT be looking for a kid that quits on his program in the middle of the season. I'd much rather grab a kid in the offseason that battled through diversity like that as a quality teammate, doing everything they could to still succeed and most importantly, improve their teammates.
That's just my opinion though. These young men will ultimately do what they want and what makes sense to them.
(12-20-2019 12:13 AM)HAWKING Wrote: McGrath buried this team with his lack of ability, not recruiting another reliable big, not pressing, playing too many guys and poor in game adjustments. Oh yeah, and his post game catchphrase "They just made some tough shots!"
Don't be surprised if key players leave before the season is done. If we are this frustrated what do you think these young men are feeling? They are all dying to be coached properly.
I understand their frustration, but that's about as over-emotional a move they could make, honestly. If they leave it's not like they get to play anywhere right away. Additionally, if I'm a coach looking for a kid to add to a program... I can tell you that I would absolutely NOT be looking for a kid that quits on his program in the middle of the season. I'd much rather grab a kid in the offseason that battled through diversity like that as a quality teammate, doing everything they could to still succeed and most importantly, improve their teammates.
That's just my opinion though. These young men will ultimately do what they want and what makes sense to them.
While I agree with CG here. If players were to leave the program midseason, I believe Bass' hand will be forced to make a move. He had 5 transfers last season...
(12-20-2019 12:13 AM)HAWKING Wrote: McGrath buried this team with his lack of ability, not recruiting another reliable big, not pressing, playing too many guys and poor in game adjustments. Oh yeah, and his post game catchphrase "They just made some tough shots!"
Don't be surprised if key players leave before the season is done. If we are this frustrated what do you think these young men are feeling? They are all dying to be coached properly.
I understand their frustration, but that's about as over-emotional a move they could make, honestly. If they leave it's not like they get to play anywhere right away. Additionally, if I'm a coach looking for a kid to add to a program... I can tell you that I would absolutely NOT be looking for a kid that quits on his program in the middle of the season. I'd much rather grab a kid in the offseason that battled through diversity like that as a quality teammate, doing everything they could to still succeed and most importantly, improve their teammates.
That's just my opinion though. These young men will ultimately do what they want and what makes sense to them.
While I agree with CG here. If players were to leave the program midseason, I believe Bass' hand will be forced to make a move. He had 5 transfers last season...
I'm all for student athletes doing what is best for them. If our program is hitting rock bottom again... it's hard to blame them. I would just caution them to do what's best for them in a fashion that actually works in their favor, minus making themselves look bad in the process as well.
(12-20-2019 12:06 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote: I'm all for student athletes doing what is best for them. If our program is hitting rock bottom again... it's hard to blame them. I would just caution them to do what's best for them in a fashion that actually works in their favor, minus making themselves look bad in the process as well.
Don't forget: If they transfer now, I believe they'll be able to play for their new squads in one calendar year, rather than sitting out for a full season.
(12-20-2019 12:06 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote: I'm all for student athletes doing what is best for them. If our program is hitting rock bottom again... it's hard to blame them. I would just caution them to do what's best for them in a fashion that actually works in their favor, minus making themselves look bad in the process as well.
Don't forget: If they transfer now, I believe they'll be able to play for their new squads in one calendar year, rather than sitting out for a full season.
Sure, but the longer they wait into the season the longer it takes for them to play, regardless... they sit a full year anyways.
(12-19-2019 02:20 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote: SoCon might get multiple bids this year and going forward they are positioned to stay in that spot. Not long ago the talk was UNCG to the CAA and all most nobody on this board was in favor of that. Funny how that works with schools who mare committed to getting better and stay the course. I do think the SoCon/UNVW would be a great fit and I think they would jump on UNCW in a second. I don't think Bass has the foresight to make a move. I see Bass as more of a problem than CB and I would be favor of letting him go right now.
Curious what leads you to that thinking, honestly.
1. He's been one of the most successful AD's in our history if you add up all of the different conference championships across all sports at UNCW.
2. And most relevant to this topic, he also hired Kevin Keatts who gave us 3 amazing years of UNCW basketball prior to leaving for more money elsewhere.
So... yes, the CB hire appears to be a bad mark on the record for Bass, but I'm willing to give him another hire and see what he can do with "best out of three" mentality. What sir, leads you to believe he should be canned?
Hopefully Bass gets one of the jobs he applies for at some point. Keatts did inherent a team with some talent and won some games here. How did he leave the program-in a total mess . I get it that Bass is liked by some people but I am not one of them. Just my take on the dude but he's not a guy I would trust with anything of value.
(12-19-2019 02:20 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote: SoCon might get multiple bids this year and going forward they are positioned to stay in that spot. Not long ago the talk was UNCG to the CAA and all most nobody on this board was in favor of that. Funny how that works with schools who mare committed to getting better and stay the course. I do think the SoCon/UNVW would be a great fit and I think they would jump on UNCW in a second. I don't think Bass has the foresight to make a move. I see Bass as more of a problem than CB and I would be favor of letting him go right now.
Curious what leads you to that thinking, honestly.
1. He's been one of the most successful AD's in our history if you add up all of the different conference championships across all sports at UNCW.
2. And most relevant to this topic, he also hired Kevin Keatts who gave us 3 amazing years of UNCW basketball prior to leaving for more money elsewhere.
So... yes, the CB hire appears to be a bad mark on the record for Bass, but I'm willing to give him another hire and see what he can do with "best out of three" mentality. What sir, leads you to believe he should be canned?
Hopefully Bass gets one of the jobs he applies for at some point. Keatts did inherent a team with some talent and won some games here. How did he leave the program-in a total mess . I get it that Bass is liked by some people but I am not one of them. Just my take on the dude but he's not a guy I would trust with anything of value.
it's ok to not like a guy, but isn't the proof in the pudding as far as job performance. Aside from the CB hire, what has he really botched?
(12-19-2019 02:20 PM)jumpinmullet Wrote: SoCon might get multiple bids this year and going forward they are positioned to stay in that spot. Not long ago the talk was UNCG to the CAA and all most nobody on this board was in favor of that. Funny how that works with schools who mare committed to getting better and stay the course. I do think the SoCon/UNVW would be a great fit and I think they would jump on UNCW in a second. I don't think Bass has the foresight to make a move. I see Bass as more of a problem than CB and I would be favor of letting him go right now.
Curious what leads you to that thinking, honestly.
1. He's been one of the most successful AD's in our history if you add up all of the different conference championships across all sports at UNCW.
2. And most relevant to this topic, he also hired Kevin Keatts who gave us 3 amazing years of UNCW basketball prior to leaving for more money elsewhere.
So... yes, the CB hire appears to be a bad mark on the record for Bass, but I'm willing to give him another hire and see what he can do with "best out of three" mentality. What sir, leads you to believe he should be canned?
Hopefully Bass gets one of the jobs he applies for at some point. Keatts did inherent a team with some talent and won some games here. How did he leave the program-in a total mess . I get it that Bass is liked by some people but I am not one of them. Just my take on the dude but he's not a guy I would trust with anything of value.
it's ok to not like a guy, but isn't the proof in the pudding as far as job performance. Aside from the CB hire, what has he really botched?
He has hired a few coaches that are successful in minor sports at UNCW-what else? I also don't see the Keatts hire as a slam dunk,won some games and left the program in the crapper for the next guy. He also has been looking for the next job since he landed here and nobody has offered him a cracker. Not that it makes him a bad guy but I don't like it. Facilities are still way behind if you compare them to other schools like a UNCW and that is not debatable. He is just a low energy guy and I am hoping he gets another job-soon.
