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RE: House releases Impeachment report
(12-05-2019 08:25 AM)solohawks Wrote:  
(12-05-2019 07:54 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  
(12-05-2019 07:03 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Once again Dems care ZERO about precedent and the long term consequences of their actions

After they impeach President Trump, I wouldn't be surprised to see impeachment become a normal occurance [sic] when the minority party has the House. All Presidents leverage their power to accomplish their goals. The minority party will never like an opposing president's goals thus a flimsy reason for impeachment in a process with ZERO guaranteed minority rights outside of what the majority tolerates.

Congrats Dems

This is the stupidest argument of them all. Not blaming you specifically for it as it was floated again by the cons yesterday in the hearing.

That being said, I assume you meant to say majority party as the minority party by nature can't have the house as they're the minority. 03-wink

All the Dems have is the House therfore they like the GOP in 2010 are the minority party. Thanks for trying to be cute

As for long term consequences being "stupid" that's what Harry Reid thought when he eliminated the judicial filibuster. He was wrong and so are you

They never learn from their mistakes.
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RE: House releases Impeachment report
https://www.vox.com/2019/12/4/20991647/i...tegy-trump
Vox-why the Dems are in a hurry.

"...Indeed, the main thing achieved by a quick impeachment vote — besides a symbolic reprimand for Trump that would soon be followed by his Senate acquittal — would be to allow Democrats to move on to other matters.

And that may be what they want. The real purpose behind this haste appears to be political. Democratic leaders appear to think that staying on impeachment too long would be bad for them politically — or at least that it would be bad for the Democrats in swing districts on whom Pelosi’s majority depends...."
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https://spectator.us/impeachment-pathetic-clown-show/

"...The effort to impeach and remove Donald Trump from office was always a fool’s errand. Whatever plausibility the Mueller investigation had because of the majesty of the legal establishment was long ago dissipated by the obviously partisan contrivances of the Democratic establishment. Schiff and Nadler have been reduced to playing word games to keep this pathetic clown show going. No one outside their partisan bubble believes them; fewer and fewer people are even paying attention. The public was already exasperated by the Adam Schiff Show a couple of weeks back. Nadler’s afternoon reprise is playing to an equivalent of supper theater on the second stage in Dubuque, Iowa.

No one cares what Jerry Nadler says — or, rather, they are irritated by it and by him. Were this a reality TV show, the resounding verdict would be ‘You’re fired.’"

This effort may be just what the Republicans need to fire Pelosi.
12-05-2019 04:59 PM
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This is an example as to why Schift should have to defend his report to the House Judiciary and why the President is justified in not participating in any House "malarkey" as Uncle Joe would call it


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Quote:Adam Schiff’s Secret Subpoena Adventure Could End with Legal Buckshot in His Face

Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA), high Chancellor of the Trump impeachment effort, might be getting away with murder. The impeachment circus that has engulfed D.C. has overshadowed the House Intelligence Committee chair’s egregious abuse of power. He executed a secret subpoenas adventure of phone records of prominent Republicans. He got their phone records and published them in the committee’s 300-page impeachment report. Now, the report is a work of fiction. Schiff is a liar, and nothing from House Democrats on this whole fiasco should be believed. This isn’t about the Constitution, or the framers, or the rule of law. It’s not about upholding the integrity of our institutions; Democrats have already perverted those with their deep state antics against this administration. It’s about the Democratic Party’s inability to grasp that it lost the 2016 election. Democrats wanted to boot Trump since day one of his presidency. The ironic twist is that their impeachment fetish could very well be what secures him a second term. This is not popular in swing states. No one cares. And the liberal media has been so wrong, so stupid, and so corrupt in their coverage of this White House, even Democrats in these states cannot believe what they hear. But let’s get back to that pencil head, Schiff.

He may have opened himself up to oodles of lawsuits by those he decided to go after with these secret subpoenas. Rudy Giuliani, the president’s attorney, was included in this hit list, and we now have to factor in attorney-client privilege into this whole mess. Seldom is this cast aside concerning an investigation unless the evidence of wrongdoing is overwhelming. Schiff decided to ignore those protocols because he wants to boot Trump before the 2020 election, or at least severely damage his re-election chances. It’s funny. The man who says he’s doing this for the country and the rule of law thinks he can break the rules…because he feels he’s right. What an arrogant, self-righteous little snake, huh? Wall Street Journal columnist Kimberley Strassel has a good column about how Schiff engaged in gross congressional overreach:



Fanatics can justify any action, and House Intelligence Chairman Adam Schiff this week demonstrated where that mindset leads. In his rush to paint Donald Trump as a lawbreaker, Mr. Schiff has himself trampled law and responsibility.

That’s the bottom line in Mr. Schiff’s stunning decision to subpoena the phone records of Rudy Giuliani and others. Mr. Schiff divulged the phone logs this week in his Ukraine report, thereby revealing details about the communications of Trump attorneys Jay Sekulow and Mr. Giuliani, ranking Intelligence Committee member Devin Nunes, reporter John Solomon and others. The media is treating this as a victory, when it is a disgraceful breach of ethical and legal propriety.

If nothing else, Mr. Schiff claims the ignominious distinction of being the first congressman to use his official powers to spy on a fellow member and publish the details. His report also means open season on members of the press. Mr. Giuliani over months has likely spoken to dozens of political figures and reporters—and the numbers, dates and length of those calls are now in Democrats’ hot little hands. Who gets the Schiff treatment next?

[…]

Whatever his role in the Ukraine affair, Mr. Giuliani remains the president’s personal lawyer. Law enforcement must present a judge with powerful evidence to get permission to vitiate attorney-client privilege. Mr. Schiff ignored all that, and made himself privy to data that could expose the legal strategies of the man he is investigating.

Mr. Giuliani did have notice that Democrats wanted some of his phone records. The Intelligence Committee sent a subpoena on Sept. 30, and gave him until Oct. 15 to comply. Yet before Mr. Giuliani even had an opportunity to respond, Mr. Schiff separately moved to seize his records from a phone carrier, sending his subpoena to AT&T on Sept. 30 as well.

Mr. Schiff purposely kept that action secret. This guaranteed that the only entity involved with a decision over whether to release the records was AT&T. And that gave Mr. Schiff all the cards, since companies fear political retribution far more than violating their customers’ privacy.

Well, when it comes to “powerful evidence” to wipe away an attorney-client privilege, this Trump-Ukraine fiasco has none of that. There is no compelling evidence that the president was asking for the Ukrainians to investigate the Bidens' ties to some of its energy companies or risk having military aid withheld. Ukraine got aid. And all the witnesses who testified before the House Intelligence Committee were career bureaucrats that disagreed with Trump on policy. That’s not impeachable. Also, this whole circus is grounded in hearsay. Pretty much Democrats didn’t like how Trump spoke to the Ukrainians on a phone call. Also, its star witness, Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, admitted that the president could legally withhold aid temporarily. So, what the hell are we doing here, besides being witness to a quasi-coup that’s being pushed by Democrats and members of the anti-Trump deep state? In the crusade to impeach Trump, Schiff also appears to have abused his power—and it’s all in plain sight. It’s meant to be that way. It’s to show off that he can get away with it.

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House releases Impeachment report
(12-03-2019 02:52 PM)zyxwvutsru Wrote:  Cant get passed this paragraph...

"As this report details, the impeachment inquiry has found that President Trump,
personally and acting through agents within and outside of the U.S. government, solicited the
interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, to benefit his reelection. In furtherance of this
scheme, President Trump conditioned official acts on a public announcement by the new
Ukrainian President, Volodymyr Zelensky, of politically-motivated investigations, including one
into President Trump’s domestic political opponent. In pressuring President Zelensky to carry
out his demand, President Trump withheld a White House meeting desperately sought by the
Ukrainian President, and critical U.S. military assistance to fight Russian aggression in eastern
Ukraine. "

So much wrong and partisan bull**** in here.


Hunh.

But, there was no public announcement of investigating corruption, nor a WH meeting AND the “vital funding” the leftist sympathizers now care so much about was released without the Uke POTUS even knowing it was being held.

Sooooo, yea. What?


Impeeeesh forry-fie! Impeeesh forry fie!!!
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