We’re all burning time on a Tuesday, anxiously and not so patiently waiting for another Saturday.

Gotta talk about something and this is/was in the news. Fail to see the problem in kicking it around a bit.

Geeeez

(12-03-2019 11:52 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  WTF is hero sports?

While the article that was mentioned isn't the FCS side of the house....


The FCS Hero Sports guys have been giving JMU, NDSU and the FCS some AWESOME coverage for the past 3-5 seasons. Highly suggest you follow Brian MacLaughlin and Sam Herder on Twitter.

Cig is the top choice for these folks too...

(12-03-2019 01:35 PM)IBleedYellow Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 11:52 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  WTF is hero sports?

While the article that was mentioned isn't the FCS side of the house....


The FCS Hero Sports guys have been giving JMU, NDSU and the FCS some AWESOME coverage for the past 3-5 seasons. Highly suggest you follow Brian MacLaughlin and Sam Herder on Twitter.

Don't blame ODU, but they don't post Bottom 10 pieces like ESPN. That's probably why they've never heard of them.

(12-03-2019 02:20 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 01:35 PM)IBleedYellow Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 11:52 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  WTF is hero sports?

While the article that was mentioned isn't the FCS side of the house....


The FCS Hero Sports guys have been giving JMU, NDSU and the FCS some AWESOME coverage for the past 3-5 seasons. Highly suggest you follow Brian MacLaughlin and Sam Herder on Twitter.

Don't blame ODU, but they don't post Bottom 10 pieces like ESPN. That's probably why they've never heard of them.

No - we just don't follow D2 publications. Also, your coach was not on the short list. So you guys don't have to sweat it.

(12-03-2019 03:52 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 02:20 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 01:35 PM)IBleedYellow Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 11:52 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  WTF is hero sports?

While the article that was mentioned isn't the FCS side of the house....


The FCS Hero Sports guys have been giving JMU, NDSU and the FCS some AWESOME coverage for the past 3-5 seasons. Highly suggest you follow Brian MacLaughlin and Sam Herder on Twitter.

Don't blame ODU, but they don't post Bottom 10 pieces like ESPN. That's probably why they've never heard of them.

No - we just don't follow D2 publications. Also, your coach was not on the short list. So you guys don't have to sweat it.

You just go to "D2" message boards? Your smack talk is as trash as your program. GTFO

(12-03-2019 01:20 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 11:59 AM)Purple Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 11:22 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 11:06 AM)Dukester Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 10:29 AM)jmudukes Wrote:  and our Coach has already posted that he is not interested

If I had a nickel.

His response wasn't even an official statement. Had it been something like "I am committed to JMU and this team. Blah Blah coach speak" I would take it with a grain of salt. When responding to a fan about letting it being JMU HC speculation season with a "No, it's not", that's a bit different.
Also, I mentioned this before but it's very relevant here. Look at the facts:
-Cignetti wanted this job. In fact he has wanted this job for YEARS. He applied to be the coach here in the Withers era when he wasn't even at Elon yet. So you can't blame it as a guy wanting out at Elon at all costs. He didn't get the job the first time. The job comes back up years later and he applies again! And after all of that he would leave for a 1 win team? Give me a break.
-Cignetti values winning. He's said it time and time again. He wants to be somewhere that has a winning culture, is invested in winning, and wants to be somewhere he can win and win a lot. He has said he would love to pass his father in wins.
-He has spoken about the differences between FCS/FBS programs. He does have more time and values that time that he has. Why give that up for a 1 win program where he would have to build it up from the ashes?
None of it makes sense. If he leaves, it won't be to a team like ECU or Charlotte and absolutely not ODU. It will be to a school where a guy probably retired and the school has been very successful. A place where he can win a lot of games and not have to rebuild. If a school fits that criteria then I think we'd have a risk of losing him.
Until then, we have a guy that chose JMU and wants to be at JMU. If he leaves, it's his loss, for we have pretty much everything he wants and cherishes.

All of these things you say about Cig we also said about Houston a year ago. The guy signed a 10-year contract. I would call that far more committed than an off-the-cuff response to a fan.

I don't think Cig is going anywhere, but many of us said the same thing about Houston.

Houston never applied for the JMU job before he got it. Not the case with Cignetti. When he was at IUPUI he applied for the job (when we hired Withers) and didn't have a strong enough resume to get it. It took his success at Elon to boost his resume.
Cignetti has been in the big show when he was at Alabama. Houston has never been there. Cignetti doesn't come across as a guy that really wants to be FBS at any cost. He wants Ws and legacy seems to be very important to him. Plus he has talked about the time commitment it took at Bama and he appreciates that FCS is a bit less.
Let's not forget that Cignetti is older than Houston. Time isn't on CC's side in the same way as Houston. Cignetti wants as many wins as possible.
I could be 100% wrong about Cignetti, but I really don't think I am. I know he could bolt next year or the next, but I think as long as JMU has a commitment to football, invests in football to Cignetti's liking and continues to win and win championships, Cignetti will be our coach.

Coach Cignetti is like a CEO, he calls the shots regarding JMU football and no need to advertise (boast) about the power he has. Regarding the "No it's not" tweet. Handled like a bad-a$$ CEO. Sure every CEO has their price but the value is determined by more than money.

(12-03-2019 11:49 AM)IBleedYellow Wrote:  That and Coach Cig basically just told ODU to F off publicly :)

https://twitter.com/JMUCurtCignetti/stat...1649172486


Badass.

Unless he says "No , I'm not going anywhere, and I told my agent that "

Whenever a FBS team comes calling , agents are going to take calls.

(12-03-2019 03:55 PM)DirtyDukes Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 03:52 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 02:20 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 01:35 PM)IBleedYellow Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 11:52 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  WTF is hero sports?

While the article that was mentioned isn't the FCS side of the house....


The FCS Hero Sports guys have been giving JMU, NDSU and the FCS some AWESOME coverage for the past 3-5 seasons. Highly suggest you follow Brian MacLaughlin and Sam Herder on Twitter.

Don't blame ODU, but they don't post Bottom 10 pieces like ESPN. That's probably why they've never heard of them.

No - we just don't follow D2 publications. Also, your coach was not on the short list. So you guys don't have to sweat it.

You just go to "D2" message boards? Your smack talk is as trash as your program. GTFO

LOL! Reps for that one!

Those of you saying Cig's age is a deterrent to his leaving for a better paying job. I don't get that. If the earning years are fewer, isn't max earning those years a carrot?

If I am wrong, is this reasoning a valley thang?

(12-03-2019 05:17 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  Those of you saying Cig's age is a deterrent to his leaving for a better paying job. I don't get that. If the earning years are fewer, isn't max earning those years a carrot?

If I am wrong, is this reasoning a valley thang?

I think you are right. The more experience, the better. Lots of coaches have coached into their 80s. Cig has many years left and I don't see him as having a lot of miles on him. He is in good shape, it appears.

Nick Saban is ten years older than Cig. I certainly see him as being over the hill.

(12-03-2019 03:55 PM)DirtyDukes Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 03:52 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 02:20 PM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 01:35 PM)IBleedYellow Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 11:52 AM)mturn017 Wrote:  WTF is hero sports?

While the article that was mentioned isn't the FCS side of the house....


The FCS Hero Sports guys have been giving JMU, NDSU and the FCS some AWESOME coverage for the past 3-5 seasons. Highly suggest you follow Brian MacLaughlin and Sam Herder on Twitter.

Don't blame ODU, but they don't post Bottom 10 pieces like ESPN. That's probably why they've never heard of them.

No - we just don't follow D2 publications. Also, your coach was not on the short list. So you guys don't have to sweat it.

You just go to "D2" message boards? Your smack talk is as trash as your program. GTFO

Further clarification (in case the tweet wasn’t clear enough)

https://twitter.com/tjeck_tv/status/1202007295267352578

(12-03-2019 09:26 PM)TXGiant Wrote:  Further clarification (in case the tweet wasn’t clear enough)

https://twitter.com/tjeck_tv/status/1202007295267352578

You're right. I don't think there is a chance in hell that Cig would leave.... until some school meets his asking price. And, I'm not saying he even has one, or is aware that he has one, but let's face it, we all have one.

(12-03-2019 10:24 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 09:26 PM)TXGiant Wrote:  Further clarification (in case the tweet wasn’t clear enough)

https://twitter.com/tjeck_tv/status/1202007295267352578

You're right. I don't think there is a chance in hell that Cig would leave.... until some school meets his asking price. And, I'm not saying he even has one, or is aware that he has one, but let's face it, we all have one.

I was waiting for him to say , "I'm not going anywhere." He has learned from MH , like MH learned what not to do from EW. Listening to him y'all he is basically saying he won't be a distraction while the team is in play. He chose he words carefully lol. I'll be reassured when he coaches the first spring practice.

(12-03-2019 10:28 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 10:24 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 09:26 PM)TXGiant Wrote:  Further clarification (in case the tweet wasn’t clear enough)

https://twitter.com/tjeck_tv/status/1202007295267352578

You're right. I don't think there is a chance in hell that Cig would leave.... until some school meets his asking price. And, I'm not saying he even has one, or is aware that he has one, but let's face it, we all have one.

I was waiting for him to say , "I'm not going anywhere." He has learned from MH , like MH learned what not to do from EW. Listening to him y'all he is basically saying he won't be a distraction while the team is in play. He chose he words carefully lol. I'll be reassured when he coaches the first spring practice.

This! I don't think he is going anywhere, but I will not be a bit surprised if he does. I only hope he handles it better than the liar from Carolina.

Let's face it, if Cig is enticed by the right offer, he is going. I couldn't blame him. Those insisting that he would never leave because tweet, don't have a full understanding of human nature.

I don't want Cig to go, and if he is being courted by another school, I suggest our admin dig deep to keep him. But, all of the, "Hey, just SHUT UP" BS I have been hearing on this board is pathetic.

By the way, I don't think ODU would be that school, by any means. It would take a G5 or P5 with a winning tradition and upside potential. There aren't many of those around. So, I think we keep Cig for at least another year, hopefully many more. But, sticking our heads in the sand and pretending that Cig would never leave under any circumstances is naive, at best, regardless of his tweets.

(12-03-2019 06:19 PM)Purple Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 05:17 PM)Purplehazed Wrote:  Those of you saying Cig's age is a deterrent to his leaving for a better paying job. I don't get that. If the earning years are fewer, isn't max earning those years a carrot?

If I am wrong, is this reasoning a valley thang?

I think you are right. The more experience, the better. Lots of coaches have coached into their 80s. Cig has many years left and I don't see him as having a lot of miles on him. He is in good shape, it appears.

Nick Saban is ten years older than Cig. I certainly see him as being over the hill.

Not many college coaches have coached into their 80s.
Last year out of 130ish I-A HCs, the oldest was Snyder at 78, and he retired. Next oldest was Solich at 73. Those were the only 2 even in their 70s.
https://herosports.com/college-football/...-long-aiai
Nowadays with the pressure cooker that I-A head coaches face, very few last until their 70s..

89 college football coaches, all levels, throughout history, listed with 200+ wins.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_...h_200_wins
Excluding those still coaching, and handful whose birthdates weren’t listed, the amount who retired (or died before retiring) in their 50s and 60s was more than double that of those in their 70s and older, with the 60s being the most common retirement decade. And a large chunk of them were I-AA/Div II/Div III/NAIA that didn’t face today’s I-A pressure cooker.
Looking at the A-10/CAA coaches on the list, Tubby Raymond was 75, Talley was 73, and Laycock 70 when they retired. Frank Beamer was 69.

The only coaches on the list to retire in their 80s were John Galiardi (86) (Div III St Johns). Joe Paterno (85), Bobby Bowden (80). And obviously Paterno stayed too long. Hell, he couldn’t fart without breaking a hip.

I think its a lot more likely CC will be retiring in his 60s than his 70s

IF...Cignetti's goal is to pass his Dad in wins, he has his work cut out for him.

His Dad, Frank Sr., was 199-77 as a head coach at WVU and IUP. He retired at age 68 after spending the last 20 years at IUP.

Curt Cignetti is currently 78-27 at IUP, Elon and JMU. He got a late start, getting his 1st HC gig at age 50 (his Dad got his 1st HC job at age 39).

So CC needs 122 more wins to pass his Dad. No chance he does that anywhere but here (or NDSU) and that would require us staying at the FCS level. And even that would likely require coaching into his early 70s.

Anyway, for whatever the above is worth. Personally, it wouldn't surprise me if he left for a quality AAC or above job with an upside. I would, however, be surprised if he did that after only 1 year here. Can't see any reason he'd go to the bottom 3 FBS conferences. Love to have him finish up here though.

Go Dukes, Beat Monmouth!

Back to the subject: "Cig is top choice for ODU. One big issue...."

Cig doesn't want the job.

(12-04-2019 12:17 AM)olddawg Wrote:  IF...Cignetti's goal is to pass his Dad in wins, he has his work cut out for him.

His Dad, Frank Sr., was 199-77 as a head coach at WVU and IUP. He retired at age 68 after spending the last 20 years at IUP.

Curt Cignetti is currently 78-27 at IUP, Elon and JMU. He got a late start, getting his 1st HC gig at age 50 (his Dad got his 1st HC job at age 39).

So CC needs 122 more wins to pass his Dad. No chance he does that anywhere but here (or NDSU) and that would require us staying at the FCS level. And even that would likely require coaching into his early 70s.

Anyway, for whatever the above is worth. Personally, it wouldn't surprise me if he left for a quality AAC or above job with an upside. I would, however, be surprised if he did that after only 1 year here. Can't see any reason he'd go to the bottom 3 FBS conferences. Love to have him finish up here though.

Go Dukes, Beat Monmouth!

I agree. Purely due to the fact that he applied for this job multiple times, I seriously doubt he would go through all that to stay for one year. I honestly believe we'll have him much longer than Houston or Withers (not that it is saying much).
I do think him leaving for the FBS could definitely happen, it would have to be a pretty perfect scenario for him. He isn't leaving for a project. I believe it will be a P5 conference and a school that has been successful. Probably the coaching change will be due to a retirement and not a firing.
When he had an interview with Dave Thomas a few months ago, he talked about the time commitment difference between winning at a program like Alabama and winning at JMU. He doesn't seem to look at JMU as a baby brother to FBS. He did say its not as consuming and said it in a way where he seemed to appreciate having the extra time. Does that mean he is an FCS for life guy? No, but I do think he's pretty happy.
I think his father is a pretty important piece here. I truly believe Cignetti wants to build a legacy. And I do believe he can do that at JMU. If he were to stay and continue to win and win championships, he could go down as a legendary coach for us. JMU would allow this program to be HIS program and run it the way he wants to run it. I think that means far more to him than anything else.