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RE: Illegal Immigrants Are Reclaiming Stolen Land In US
(12-03-2019 09:40 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 09:24 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  It'd be one thing if they were actually reclaiming land from people who actually stole it, it's another when nearly 200 years have passed and you're probably ten times more likely to be interfering with the life of someone descending from Central American immigrants versus someone whose family participated or advocated for the Mexican-American War. Of course that assumes that the premise that illegal immigration occurs to reclaim stolen land and that grandchildren generations later should pay for the sins of their relatives, both of which are pure idiocy.

We stole the land from the Indians. The Mexicans were mere tenants. The Apache and Comanche allowed them to live there as a source of horses to steal.

In Texas at the time of the Texas Revolution, there were only 5,000 Mexicans and 35,000 Americans. That's why the Mexicans wanted American immigration. They couldn't get any Mexicans to live there. The Indian population was probably at least 2-3 times the Mexican population.

Good points. You do get to the heart of the issue since the far left often uses indigenous peoples as a symbol to hold up as colonialist oppression that points to the need for revolution and an overthrow of the current system. Of course, that doesn't answer the same question I had in my first post about who actually stole the land; our treatment of Native Americans was one of the worst things our nation has ever done, but we don't have a time machine to reverse the Trail of Tears, integrate European cultures with theirs like they did in Latin America, etc. Two wrongs don't make a right, and acting like a nation full of descendants of Germany, China, Mexico, and other nations are still responsible for what amounted to ethnic cleansing centuries ago is moronic. If it did happen though, at least I have enough heritage (my great-grandmother was legitimately a Potawatomie Indian so I'm one-eighth) that I'm set lol.
12-03-2019 08:02 PM
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RE: Illegal Immigrants Are Reclaiming Stolen Land In US
(12-03-2019 08:02 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  
(12-03-2019 09:40 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 09:24 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  It'd be one thing if they were actually reclaiming land from people who actually stole it, it's another when nearly 200 years have passed and you're probably ten times more likely to be interfering with the life of someone descending from Central American immigrants versus someone whose family participated or advocated for the Mexican-American War. Of course that assumes that the premise that illegal immigration occurs to reclaim stolen land and that grandchildren generations later should pay for the sins of their relatives, both of which are pure idiocy.

We stole the land from the Indians. The Mexicans were mere tenants. The Apache and Comanche allowed them to live there as a source of horses to steal.

In Texas at the time of the Texas Revolution, there were only 5,000 Mexicans and 35,000 Americans. That's why the Mexicans wanted American immigration. They couldn't get any Mexicans to live there. The Indian population was probably at least 2-3 times the Mexican population.

Good points. You do get to the heart of the issue since the far left often uses indigenous peoples as a symbol to hold up as colonialist oppression that points to the need for revolution and an overthrow of the current system. Of course, that doesn't answer the same question I had in my first post about who actually stole the land; our treatment of Native Americans was one of the worst things our nation has ever done, but we don't have a time machine to reverse the Trail of Tears, integrate European cultures with theirs like they did in Latin America, etc. Two wrongs don't make a right, and acting like a nation full of descendants of Germany, China, Mexico, and other nations are still responsible for what amounted to ethnic cleansing centuries ago is moronic. If it did happen though, at least I have enough heritage (my great-grandmother was legitimately a Potawatomie Indian so I'm one-eighth) that I'm set lol.

A large number of us are. I'm about 1/6th with some from both sides of my family.

And the Angles and Saxons ethnically cleansed the Britons (hence we thought about invading Brittany (where they resettled) in WWII but chose Normandy where the Vikings ethnically cleansed the Franks who had ethnically cleansed the Gauls who cleansed the pre-agricultural descendants of the Cro-Magnons who cleansed the Neanderthals).
12-03-2019 09:37 PM
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RE: Illegal Immigrants Are Reclaiming Stolen Land In US
(12-03-2019 08:02 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  
(12-03-2019 09:40 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 09:24 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  It'd be one thing if they were actually reclaiming land from people who actually stole it, it's another when nearly 200 years have passed and you're probably ten times more likely to be interfering with the life of someone descending from Central American immigrants versus someone whose family participated or advocated for the Mexican-American War. Of course that assumes that the premise that illegal immigration occurs to reclaim stolen land and that grandchildren generations later should pay for the sins of their relatives, both of which are pure idiocy.

We stole the land from the Indians. The Mexicans were mere tenants. The Apache and Comanche allowed them to live there as a source of horses to steal.

In Texas at the time of the Texas Revolution, there were only 5,000 Mexicans and 35,000 Americans. That's why the Mexicans wanted American immigration. They couldn't get any Mexicans to live there. The Indian population was probably at least 2-3 times the Mexican population.

Good points. You do get to the heart of the issue since the far left often uses indigenous peoples as a symbol to hold up as colonialist oppression that points to the need for revolution and an overthrow of the current system. Of course, that doesn't answer the same question I had in my first post about who actually stole the land; our treatment of Native Americans was one of the worst things our nation has ever done, but we don't have a time machine to reverse the Trail of Tears, integrate European cultures with theirs like they did in Latin America, etc. Two wrongs don't make a right, and acting like a nation full of descendants of Germany, China, Mexico, and other nations are still responsible for what amounted to ethnic cleansing centuries ago is moronic. If it did happen though, at least I have enough heritage (my great-grandmother was legitimately a Potawatomie Indian so I'm one-eighth) that I'm set lol.

In the past. Move on. The vast majority of all hopeful immigrants want to come to the USA. We have probably 20 million mestizo aztecs running around. Native tribes engaged in mass industrial ritual sacrifice.......very Satanic. There is no comparison between Euros and Natives, Euros built a much better world class culture that everyone aspires to be......well not everyone.
12-03-2019 09:57 PM
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