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RE: Wilder Leaving per WAVY-10
(12-02-2019 11:36 AM)monarx Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:33 AM)benny_t Wrote:  
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(12-02-2019 11:15 AM)djnva Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 09:42 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Sounds like Kumah is the first to leave.

Where are you seeing this?

Twitter. A peace sign and the word 'league'

So not transferring but entering the draft. That's a little different than transferring to a new school or decommitting.

And would also make it a silly decision not to play his last couple of games. to "save his redshirt".

He wouldn't be transferring. He was hurt pretty badly his entire season here so I get the decision to try to get healthy and show what you could do with a healthy season. And face it, an injury and bad QB play isn't going to help much.

Im sure the thought crossed his mind that Wilder would not be back. Playing a few more games injured probably doesn't help him much, if any.
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RE: Wilder Leaving per WAVY-10
(12-02-2019 11:36 AM)monarx Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:33 AM)benny_t Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:31 AM)Grommet Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:15 AM)djnva Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 09:42 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Sounds like Kumah is the first to leave.

Where are you seeing this?

Twitter. A peace sign and the word 'league'

So not transferring but entering the draft. That's a little different than transferring to a new school or decommitting.

And would also make it a silly decision not to play his last couple of games. to "save his redshirt".

Decision not to play would still make sense if he was entering the draft. No reason to risk re-injury when He probably wouldn't be putting up impressive tape/ numbers.
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RE: Wilder Leaving per WAVY-10
(12-02-2019 11:35 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:33 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:16 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:11 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:02 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Whether they had to pay the buyout or not is not the question. Wilder resigned and was given the $600k buyout.

No.
That doesn't happen.
There is no scenario that ODU pays $600K if the coach resigns. That would be irresponsible and more importantly, since ODU is a public institution potentially malfeasant.

So was Wilder paid the $600k buyout? Of course he was.
Did he officially resign? Yes

He may have been given the choice, but he both resigned and received his buyout.

With personnel matters, an employee is sometimes given the choice to resign or be terminated.
The choice is offered for various reasons, including altruistic motives of the employer out of respect as to reputation and potential future employment of the employee.
Very often that choice is also in the best interest of the employer so as to insulate itself from some future related litigation, and/or a financial obligation such as a buyout, a bonus, or even severance.

If BW officially resigned, and was still payed the termination buyout monies as stated in his contract, there are serious legal ramifications to a publicly chartered and operated institution.
Only if that money was paid from a private funding source would it be acceptable.

Is ODAF considered a private funding source?

I believe it is, however as an ODAF contributor, I would (and do) have serious reservations as to using the fund for that application if it legally is not necessary., considering the already precarious financial state we are allegedly in.
I suspect that I am not alone.
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RE: Wilder Leaving per WAVY-10
(12-02-2019 11:43 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:35 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:33 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:16 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:11 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  No.
That doesn't happen.
There is no scenario that ODU pays $600K if the coach resigns. That would be irresponsible and more importantly, since ODU is a public institution potentially malfeasant.

So was Wilder paid the $600k buyout? Of course he was.
Did he officially resign? Yes

He may have been given the choice, but he both resigned and received his buyout.

With personnel matters, an employee is sometimes given the choice to resign or be terminated.
The choice is offered for various reasons, including altruistic motives of the employer out of respect as to reputation and potential future employment of the employee.
Very often that choice is also in the best interest of the employer so as to insulate itself from some future related litigation, and/or a financial obligation such as a buyout, a bonus, or even severance.

If BW officially resigned, and was still payed the termination buyout monies as stated in his contract, there are serious legal ramifications to a publicly chartered and operated institution.
Only if that money was paid from a private funding source would it be acceptable.

Is ODAF considered a private funding source?

I believe it is, however as an ODAF contributor, I would (and do) have serious reservations as to using the fund for that application if it legally is not necessary., considering the already precarious financial state we are allegedly in.
I suspect that I am not alone.

Well, then there you go!
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RE: Wilder Leaving per WAVY-10
(12-02-2019 10:59 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 10:52 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 10:33 AM)odu83alumni Wrote:  Title should be corrected. Very unprofessional and just plain wrong.

If he truly resigned, we wouldn't be giving him the buyout.

He 100% resigned.

This is why people hate lawyers and politicians.
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RE: Wilder Fired per WAVY-10
(12-02-2019 11:33 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:16 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:11 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:02 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:01 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Again, you don't pay out buy-outs for people who quit. We are calling this a resignation as a show of courtesy for all his year's of dedicated service.

Whether they had to pay the buyout or not is not the question. Wilder resigned and was given the $600k buyout.

No.
That doesn't happen.
There is no scenario that ODU pays $600K if the coach resigns. That would be irresponsible and more importantly, since ODU is a public institution potentially malfeasant.

So was Wilder paid the $600k buyout? Of course he was.
Did he officially resign? Yes

He may have been given the choice, but he both resigned and received his buyout.

With personnel matters, an employee is sometimes given the choice to resign or be terminated.
The choice is offered for various reasons, including altruistic motives of the employer out of respect as to reputation and potential future employment of the employee.
Very often that choice is also in the best interest of the employer so as to insulate itself from some future related litigation, and/or a financial obligation such as a buyout, a bonus, or even severance.

If BW officially resigned, and was still payed the termination buyout monies as stated in his contract, there are serious legal ramifications to a publicly chartered and operated institution.
Only if that money was paid from a private funding source would it be acceptable.
ODAF paid the money. All is well. Time to move on. I'm hoping they make a big splash with this coaching hire. The program definitely needs it. There is an awful lot depending on this hire.


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RE: Wilder Leaving per WAVY-10
(12-02-2019 11:43 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:35 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:33 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:16 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:11 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  No.
That doesn't happen.
There is no scenario that ODU pays $600K if the coach resigns. That would be irresponsible and more importantly, since ODU is a public institution potentially malfeasant.

So was Wilder paid the $600k buyout? Of course he was.
Did he officially resign? Yes

He may have been given the choice, but he both resigned and received his buyout.

With personnel matters, an employee is sometimes given the choice to resign or be terminated.
The choice is offered for various reasons, including altruistic motives of the employer out of respect as to reputation and potential future employment of the employee.
Very often that choice is also in the best interest of the employer so as to insulate itself from some future related litigation, and/or a financial obligation such as a buyout, a bonus, or even severance.

If BW officially resigned, and was still payed the termination buyout monies as stated in his contract, there are serious legal ramifications to a publicly chartered and operated institution.
Only if that money was paid from a private funding source would it be acceptable.

Is ODAF considered a private funding source?

I believe it is, however as an ODAF contributor, I would (and do) have serious reservations as to using the fund for that application if it legally is not necessary., considering the already precarious financial state we are allegedly in.
I suspect that I am not alone.
Do you have a problem with the fund being used to supplement coaches salaries? Or for bonuses?

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RE: Wilder Leaving per WAVY-10
(12-02-2019 11:57 AM)Old Blue Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:43 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:35 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:33 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:16 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  So was Wilder paid the $600k buyout? Of course he was.
Did he officially resign? Yes

He may have been given the choice, but he both resigned and received his buyout.

With personnel matters, an employee is sometimes given the choice to resign or be terminated.
The choice is offered for various reasons, including altruistic motives of the employer out of respect as to reputation and potential future employment of the employee.
Very often that choice is also in the best interest of the employer so as to insulate itself from some future related litigation, and/or a financial obligation such as a buyout, a bonus, or even severance.

If BW officially resigned, and was still payed the termination buyout monies as stated in his contract, there are serious legal ramifications to a publicly chartered and operated institution.
Only if that money was paid from a private funding source would it be acceptable.

Is ODAF considered a private funding source?

I believe it is, however as an ODAF contributor, I would (and do) have serious reservations as to using the fund for that application if it legally is not necessary., considering the already precarious financial state we are allegedly in.
I suspect that I am not alone.
Do you have a problem with the fund being used to supplement coaches salaries? Or for bonuses?

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Not at all. In fact I believe that many P5 coaches are renumerated all (VT) or in part by their respective athletic funding arms.

I would object to paying a termination buyout if a coach resigned. It happens all the time where a coach is offered the option to resign, but refuses in order to collect from the termination clause.
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RE: Wilder Leaving per WAVY-10
How much was BW salary
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Wilder decked from head to toe in ODU gear for the farewell press conference.
Classy touch.
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I got really sad watching that press conference. No matter what you can say about the guy, dude loved ODU and this program was his baby. He ran a clean program and was the best coach one could ask for in all ways but the win column. We all knew he'd leave one day, but man I wish it wasn't like this. You could tell he didn't want to finish that press conference, that he didn't want to walk away.
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(12-02-2019 12:19 PM)MONARCHSWIN Wrote:  Wilder decked from head to toe in ODU gear for the farewell press conference.
Classy touch.

By head to toe, you mean baseball cap?

Other than that he has a nice suit on.

https://twitter.com/Harry_MiniumODU/stat...2829533184
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And ODU tie
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(12-02-2019 12:38 PM)djnva Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 12:19 PM)MONARCHSWIN Wrote:  Wilder decked from head to toe in ODU gear for the farewell press conference.
Classy touch.

By head to toe, you mean baseball cap?

Other than that he has a nice suit on.

https://twitter.com/Harry_MiniumODU/stat...2829533184


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(12-02-2019 12:40 PM)MONARCHSWIN Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 12:38 PM)djnva Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 12:19 PM)MONARCHSWIN Wrote:  Wilder decked from head to toe in ODU gear for the farewell press conference.
Classy touch.

By head to toe, you mean baseball cap?

Other than that he has a nice suit on.

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So really head to waist, LOL
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(12-02-2019 11:43 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:35 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:33 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:16 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:11 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  No.
That doesn't happen.
There is no scenario that ODU pays $600K if the coach resigns. That would be irresponsible and more importantly, since ODU is a public institution potentially malfeasant.

So was Wilder paid the $600k buyout? Of course he was.
Did he officially resign? Yes

He may have been given the choice, but he both resigned and received his buyout.

With personnel matters, an employee is sometimes given the choice to resign or be terminated.
The choice is offered for various reasons, including altruistic motives of the employer out of respect as to reputation and potential future employment of the employee.
Very often that choice is also in the best interest of the employer so as to insulate itself from some future related litigation, and/or a financial obligation such as a buyout, a bonus, or even severance.

If BW officially resigned, and was still payed the termination buyout monies as stated in his contract, there are serious legal ramifications to a publicly chartered and operated institution.
Only if that money was paid from a private funding source would it be acceptable.

Is ODAF considered a private funding source?

I believe it is, however as an ODAF contributor, I would (and do) have serious reservations as to using the fund for that application if it legally is not necessary., considering the already precarious financial state we are allegedly in.
I suspect that I am not alone.

It's a moot point. Wilder wouldn't have resigned if he wasn't going to get his payout so either way the AD/ODAF was going to have to payout his contract. This way it sounds more amicable and perhaps gets some cooperation from BW to help with the transition (whatever that looks like). Nobody believes that BW just made a case for getting one more year this weekend and then woke up this morning and changed his mind and decided to resign, so regardless what you call it this was ODU's decision and we had to payout his contract.
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Socks?
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(12-02-2019 12:30 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  I got really sad watching that press conference. No matter what you can say about the guy, dude loved ODU and this program was his baby. He ran a clean program and was the best coach one could ask for in all ways but the win column. We all knew he'd leave one day, but man I wish it wasn't like this. You could tell he didn't want to finish that press conference, that he didn't want to walk away.

Excellent presser. Good man. Great ambassador. Sorry to see this era come to an end. Never feels good to part ways with a long time coach. Felt the same when Blaine was let go.
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(12-02-2019 12:19 PM)Bean.O Wrote:  How much was BW salary

High $600s base with total compensation sans performance bonuses, worth about about $730K is what I have seen
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