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RE: Wilder Fired per WAVY-10
(12-02-2019 11:04 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Wilder was going to get the $600k either way.

How, if it was truly a resignation? If it worked like that, wouldnt he have resigned yesterday so he got the $900k buyout. I don't think you can quit and still a buyout.
12-02-2019 11:06 AM
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RE: Wilder Fired per WAVY-10
(12-02-2019 11:03 AM)monarx Wrote:  We probably offered him the choice to resign or be fired, and because we like Bobby, we told him we would pay him out either way. I do wish we could have negotiated down from the $600k though. It also sounds like he will help with the transition (not sure what that looks like). If he were fired that wouldnt happen.

Yeah that is what happened. And it's not much of a choice now is it. You can resign or you can be fired, but either way you won't be head coach here next season.

I'm glad we held up our end of the contract and paid the buyout. He deserves it. But calling it a resignation is just being nice. Dude did not have an option to return.
12-02-2019 11:08 AM
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RE: Wilder Fired per WAVY-10
Really nothing to debate here. Sometimes it pays to be nice.
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RE: Wilder Fired per WAVY-10
(12-02-2019 11:02 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:01 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 10:59 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 10:52 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 10:33 AM)odu83alumni Wrote:  Title should be corrected. Very unprofessional and just plain wrong.

If he truly resigned, we wouldn't be giving him the buyout.

He 100% resigned.

Again, you don't pay out buy-outs for people who quit. We are calling this a resignation as a show of courtesy for all his year's of dedicated service.

Whether they had to pay the buyout or not is not the question. Wilder resigned and was given the $600k buyout.

No.
That doesn't happen.
There is no scenario that ODU pays $600K if the coach resigns. That would be irresponsible and more importantly, since ODU is a public institution potentially malfeasant.
12-02-2019 11:11 AM
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RE: Wilder Fired per WAVY-10
(12-02-2019 09:42 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Sounds like Kumah is the first to leave.

Where are you seeing this?
12-02-2019 11:15 AM
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RE: Wilder Fired per WAVY-10
(12-02-2019 11:11 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:02 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:01 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 10:59 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 10:52 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  If he truly resigned, we wouldn't be giving him the buyout.

He 100% resigned.

Again, you don't pay out buy-outs for people who quit. We are calling this a resignation as a show of courtesy for all his year's of dedicated service.

Whether they had to pay the buyout or not is not the question. Wilder resigned and was given the $600k buyout.

No.
That doesn't happen.
There is no scenario that ODU pays $600K if the coach resigns. That would be irresponsible and more importantly, since ODU is a public institution potentially malfeasant.

So was Wilder paid the $600k buyout? Of course he was.
Did he officially resign? Yes

He may have been given the choice, but he both resigned and received his buyout.
12-02-2019 11:16 AM
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RE: Wilder Fired per WAVY-10
(12-02-2019 11:15 AM)djnva Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 09:42 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Sounds like Kumah is the first to leave.

Where are you seeing this?

Someone in the program.

Though, im hoping it is just a reactionary decision to Wilder leaving and that he will be talked back into returning.
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RE: Wilder Fired per WAVY-10
(12-02-2019 11:16 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:11 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:02 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:01 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 10:59 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  He 100% resigned.

Again, you don't pay out buy-outs for people who quit. We are calling this a resignation as a show of courtesy for all his year's of dedicated service.

Whether they had to pay the buyout or not is not the question. Wilder resigned and was given the $600k buyout.

No.
That doesn't happen.
There is no scenario that ODU pays $600K if the coach resigns. That would be irresponsible and more importantly, since ODU is a public institution potentially malfeasant.

So was Wilder paid the $600k buyout? Of course he was.
Did he officially resign? Yes

He may have been given the choice, but he both resigned and received his buyout.

You are being obtuse.
12-02-2019 11:21 AM
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RE: Wilder Fired per WAVY-10
(12-02-2019 11:17 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:15 AM)djnva Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 09:42 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Sounds like Kumah is the first to leave.

Where are you seeing this?

Someone in the program.

Though, im hoping it is just a reactionary decision to Wilder leaving and that he will be talked back into returning.

He tweeted it after this morning's team meeting. I do not think he would stay if we hired Baby Beamer. He's got his eyes set on the league. Good luck to him.
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(12-02-2019 11:22 AM)GotLabradors Wrote:  He tweeted it after this morning's team meeting. I do not think he would stay if we hired Baby Beamer. He's got his eyes set on the league. Good luck to him.

Maybe he deleted it, but I don't see it here:
https://twitter.com/Eric_Kumah11
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RE: Wilder Leaving per WAVY-10
Hope that doesnt happen, but if it does, the new coach need to recruit some receivers ASAP.
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RE: Wilder Leaving per WAVY-10
(12-02-2019 11:26 AM)djnva Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:22 AM)GotLabradors Wrote:  He tweeted it after this morning's team meeting. I do not think he would stay if we hired Baby Beamer. He's got his eyes set on the league. Good luck to him.

Maybe he deleted it, but I don't see it here:
https://twitter.com/Eric_Kumah11

I saw it this morning too. He must have deleted it.
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RE: Wilder Leaving per WAVY-10
(12-02-2019 11:15 AM)djnva Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 09:42 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Sounds like Kumah is the first to leave.

Where are you seeing this?

Twitter. A peace sign and the word 'league'
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RE: Wilder Fired per WAVY-10
(12-02-2019 11:16 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:11 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:02 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:01 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 10:59 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  He 100% resigned.

Again, you don't pay out buy-outs for people who quit. We are calling this a resignation as a show of courtesy for all his year's of dedicated service.

Whether they had to pay the buyout or not is not the question. Wilder resigned and was given the $600k buyout.

No.
That doesn't happen.
There is no scenario that ODU pays $600K if the coach resigns. That would be irresponsible and more importantly, since ODU is a public institution potentially malfeasant.

So was Wilder paid the $600k buyout? Of course he was.
Did he officially resign? Yes

He may have been given the choice, but he both resigned and received his buyout.

With personnel matters, an employee is sometimes given the choice to resign or be terminated.
The choice is offered for various reasons, including altruistic motives of the employer out of respect as to reputation and potential future employment of the employee.
Very often that choice is also in the best interest of the employer so as to insulate itself from some future related litigation, and/or a financial obligation such as a buyout, a bonus, or even severance.

If BW officially resigned, and was still payed the termination buyout monies as stated in his contract, there are serious legal ramifications to a publicly chartered and operated institution.
Only if that money was paid from a private funding source would it be acceptable.
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(12-02-2019 11:31 AM)Grommet Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:15 AM)djnva Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 09:42 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Sounds like Kumah is the first to leave.

Where are you seeing this?

Twitter. A peace sign and the word 'league'

So not transferring but entering the draft. That's a little different than transferring to a new school or decommitting.
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There's got to be a lot of anxiety among the players today.
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RE: Wilder Leaving per WAVY-10
(12-02-2019 11:33 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:16 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:11 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:02 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:01 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Again, you don't pay out buy-outs for people who quit. We are calling this a resignation as a show of courtesy for all his year's of dedicated service.

Whether they had to pay the buyout or not is not the question. Wilder resigned and was given the $600k buyout.

No.
That doesn't happen.
There is no scenario that ODU pays $600K if the coach resigns. That would be irresponsible and more importantly, since ODU is a public institution potentially malfeasant.

So was Wilder paid the $600k buyout? Of course he was.
Did he officially resign? Yes

He may have been given the choice, but he both resigned and received his buyout.

With personnel matters, an employee is sometimes given the choice to resign or be terminated.
The choice is offered for various reasons, including altruistic motives of the employer out of respect as to reputation and potential future employment of the employee.
Very often that choice is also in the best interest of the employer so as to insulate itself from some future related litigation, and/or a financial obligation such as a buyout, a bonus, or even severance.

If BW officially resigned, and was still payed the termination buyout monies as stated in his contract, there are serious legal ramifications to a publicly chartered and operated institution.
Only if that money was paid from a private funding source would it be acceptable.

Like ODAF?
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(12-02-2019 11:33 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:16 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:11 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:02 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:01 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Again, you don't pay out buy-outs for people who quit. We are calling this a resignation as a show of courtesy for all his year's of dedicated service.

Whether they had to pay the buyout or not is not the question. Wilder resigned and was given the $600k buyout.

No.
That doesn't happen.
There is no scenario that ODU pays $600K if the coach resigns. That would be irresponsible and more importantly, since ODU is a public institution potentially malfeasant.

So was Wilder paid the $600k buyout? Of course he was.
Did he officially resign? Yes

He may have been given the choice, but he both resigned and received his buyout.

With personnel matters, an employee is sometimes given the choice to resign or be terminated.
The choice is offered for various reasons, including altruistic motives of the employer out of respect as to reputation and potential future employment of the employee.
Very often that choice is also in the best interest of the employer so as to insulate itself from some future related litigation, and/or a financial obligation such as a buyout, a bonus, or even severance.

If BW officially resigned, and was still payed the termination buyout monies as stated in his contract, there are serious legal ramifications to a publicly chartered and operated institution.
Only if that money was paid from a private funding source would it be acceptable.

Is ODAF considered a private funding source?
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RE: Wilder Leaving per WAVY-10
(12-02-2019 11:33 AM)benny_t Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:31 AM)Grommet Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 11:15 AM)djnva Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 09:42 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Sounds like Kumah is the first to leave.

Where are you seeing this?

Twitter. A peace sign and the word 'league'

So not transferring but entering the draft. That's a little different than transferring to a new school or decommitting.

And would also make it a silly decision not to play his last couple of games. to "save his redshirt".
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RE: Wilder Leaving per WAVY-10
(12-02-2019 10:58 AM)odu83alumni Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 10:52 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 10:33 AM)odu83alumni Wrote:  Title should be corrected. Very unprofessional and just plain wrong.

If he truly resigned, we wouldn't be giving him the buyout.

Well WRIC, The Daily Press, ESPN, CBS Sports, ODU Sports and The Pilot online ways he Resigned. It sounds like he resigned. Mabey some can't accept that.

This is common practice -- give someone the chance to 'save face' by resigning instead of being fired. If they don't resign, then they are fired. Does anyone really believe that Wilder, after all he has said would 'step back and conclude that he must go for the good of the program' on his own. Get real.

I appreciate what he has done in building the program from scratch. But BW is not ODU Football. His performance was never FBS caliber and I thought that this was permitted to go on way too long - he was very well compensated for his performance at ODU -- so it is not like he is getting screwed over. I hoped that he would learn FBS in an on the job training mode, but he never was able to make the transition (e.g. Mike London). I wish him well and hope that the assistants find a soft landing as well. But performance talks in this world.

I'm excited for the next chapter of ODU Football now!! Good luck to BW and I hope that things go well for him.
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