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RE: CBS Sports seriously reporting Norvell Top Target of....Mizzou
I think you guys are minimizing the allure of sitting at the grown ups table. With a win Saturday, he will have accomplished about all he can at Memphis. Playing in the Cotton Bowl (or whatever the top bowl a non P5 team can expect to make) is pretty much the pinnacle.

Motivated, ambitious coaches like Norvell usually look for something higher. I could easily see him at Arkansas or Missouri next year. I’m sure he thinks he could get the job done at either place. Realistically, it will be difficult to really succeed at either place, but I’d be surprised if he wouldn’t take either job if offered. I’m not so sure of Ole Miss, but I’m sure he’d listen.

I’d love to keep him here, but I totally understand if he leaves for greener pastures. He’s left the program in a great state, and we should find a lot of great coaches interested in the job. As we know, other than Fuente, it’s been a coaching graveyard.

I’d really be surprised if he is our coach next year...
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Baylor would be a sleeper if Rhule leaves. It's not a great job but you can recruit, make the playoff and parlay that into a really good job.
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HA! There aren’t any chairs at grownups table with Hogville or Ole Pizz, they were burned in the Thanksgiving fireplace. As for Mizzou, the chair only has 3 legs. These are not top tier jobs, and CMN deserves better in order to shoot for a Nat. Championship.

Agree he may have hit the ceiling here with potential Cotton Bowl game, but get real, the above options would most likely hinder his success for the future.

Most certainly will be much better options next year, unless FL State is still on the table and their administration signs off on improving facilities and better focus on program, proven winners and much better chances in ACC.
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(12-02-2019 12:17 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  I think you guys are minimizing the allure of sitting at the grown ups table. With a win Saturday, he will have accomplished about all he can at Memphis. Playing in the Cotton Bowl (or whatever the top bowl a non P5 team can expect to make) is pretty much the pinnacle.

Motivated, ambitious coaches like Norvell usually look for something higher. I could easily see him at Arkansas or Missouri next year. I’m sure he thinks he could get the job done at either place. Realistically, it will be difficult to really succeed at either place, but I’d be surprised if he wouldn’t take either job if offered. I’m not so sure of Ole Miss, but I’m sure he’d listen.

I’d love to keep him here, but I totally understand if he leaves for greener pastures. He’s left the program in a great state, and we should find a lot of great coaches interested in the job. As we know, other than Fuente, it’s been a coaching graveyard.

I’d really be surprised if he is our coach next year...

I don’t think jobs like Missouri, Arkansas, or Mississippi are really the grown-ups table in the sense that we heard the term used by a former men’s basketball coach. Those are not blue bloods and they are not close to being there. Their path to the CFP in current format might be better but we’re talking 1% chance vs 0.1%. In a future 8-team CFP, the odds here improve. I think the path to a NY6 is easier here. This is the second year in three we’ve had a shot and the AAC champion has gone to a NY6 three of the past four I believe.

FSU is at the grown-ups table, however. Three NC’s in past 26 years including one six years ago, plus played for two others.
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(12-02-2019 12:17 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  I think you guys are minimizing the allure of sitting at the grown ups table. With a win Saturday, he will have accomplished about all he can at Memphis. Playing in the Cotton Bowl (or whatever the top bowl a non P5 team can expect to make) is pretty much the pinnacle.

Motivated, ambitious coaches like Norvell usually look for something higher. I could easily see him at Arkansas or Missouri next year. I’m sure he thinks he could get the job done at either place. Realistically, it will be difficult to really succeed at either place, but I’d be surprised if he wouldn’t take either job if offered. I’m not so sure of Ole Miss, but I’m sure he’d listen.

I’d love to keep him here, but I totally understand if he leaves for greener pastures. He’s left the program in a great state, and we should find a lot of great coaches interested in the job. As we know, other than Fuente, it’s been a coaching graveyard.

I’d really be surprised if he is our coach next year...

He has said multiple times that the grass isn't always greener.

You are confusing his honesty with Fuente. Fuente said from the beginning that he wanted to move on to better. I respected him for the honesty. Norvell has been the opposite.

The Cotton Bowl might be the best Memphis can do, but it is the best (meaning NY6 Bowl) that AR, ole miss, MO or BC can likely do as well. They won't beat Clemson or Bama to get their playoff shot, so they are in the same boat as Memphis... with a tougher schedule and much higher stress level to accomplish what is essentially the same goal. Memphis you make maybe half a million less (although the bonus schedule is prime), but you win the Cotton Bowl you likely have statues made in your name. You go to the Cotton Bowl once or twice, but never make the playoffs, you will be fired at those jobs as well.
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If the choices are Mizzou and Arkansas, he’s better off staying here. I envision that the playoff structure could change in the future to a 6- or 8-team format where undefeated teams either get an auto-bid (highly unlikely) or undefeated teams have a play-in game for the lowest seed. If this were the case, then it would be easier to make the playoffs at Memphis. I just don’t see Arkansas or Missouri being a top 8 team at any point in the near future regardless of who is coaching.
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(12-02-2019 12:17 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  I think you guys are minimizing the allure of sitting at the grown ups table. With a win Saturday, he will have accomplished about all he can at Memphis. Playing in the Cotton Bowl (or whatever the top bowl a non P5 team can expect to make) is pretty much the pinnacle.

Motivated, ambitious coaches like Norvell usually look for something higher. I could easily see him at Arkansas or Missouri next year. I’m sure he thinks he could get the job done at either place. Realistically, it will be difficult to really succeed at either place, but I’d be surprised if he wouldn’t take either job if offered. I’m not so sure of Ole Miss, but I’m sure he’d listen.

I’d love to keep him here, but I totally understand if he leaves for greener pastures. He’s left the program in a great state, and we should find a lot of great coaches interested in the job. As we know, other than Fuente, it’s been a coaching graveyard.

I’d really be surprised if he is our coach next year...

If he see's something higher he'll wait for a better job to open. MAYBE Mizzou, but I highly doubt it. No way he goes to Ark or Ole Miss
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(12-02-2019 12:19 AM)Stammers Wrote:  Baylor would be a sleeper if Rhule leaves. It's not a great job but you can recruit, make the playoff and parlay that into a really good job.

Think he would fit in really well at Baylor. Where could you see Rhule going? FSU?
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Nah. They do BBQ all wrong in Columbia.
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(12-01-2019 11:08 PM)Mimi Wrote:  Never heard Missouri as a sleeping giant

Simply that they are relatively appealing, but as I opined, I would not think appealing enough

They won the SEC East in 2013 and 2014 and I believe in 2007 came within one game of playing for a national championship. Pinkel has a lot of other really good top ten seasons

They struggled some in the 1980s and 1990s in the Big 8, but in the 1970s were basically third behind dominant Nebraska and Oklahoma

I don’t think they are a sleeping giant and believe almost no matter what outside a few seasons they will be behind Florida and Georgia, settling in around UTK and South Carolina

But it is a flagship university with a lot of appeal

If I was a very hot commodity and 38 years old at the current Memphis, I would only look at Florida State out of the current openings. Not Arkansas, not Mississippi, Not BC, although I might be intrigued, but maybe Missouri. It is possible he will have to succeed some at a Missouri to ever get to a Southern Cal gig. Who knows?

Agree. FSU seems like the most appealing opening, IMO.
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(12-02-2019 01:17 AM)MvETigers Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 12:17 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  I think you guys are minimizing the allure of sitting at the grown ups table. With a win Saturday, he will have accomplished about all he can at Memphis. Playing in the Cotton Bowl (or whatever the top bowl a non P5 team can expect to make) is pretty much the pinnacle.

Motivated, ambitious coaches like Norvell usually look for something higher. I could easily see him at Arkansas or Missouri next year. I’m sure he thinks he could get the job done at either place. Realistically, it will be difficult to really succeed at either place, but I’d be surprised if he wouldn’t take either job if offered. I’m not so sure of Ole Miss, but I’m sure he’d listen.

I’d love to keep him here, but I totally understand if he leaves for greener pastures. He’s left the program in a great state, and we should find a lot of great coaches interested in the job. As we know, other than Fuente, it’s been a coaching graveyard.

I’d really be surprised if he is our coach next year...

He has said multiple times that the grass isn't always greener.

You are confusing his honesty with Fuente. Fuente said from the beginning that he wanted to move on to better. I respected him for the honesty. Norvell has been the opposite.

The Cotton Bowl might be the best Memphis can do, but it is the best (meaning NY6 Bowl) that AR, ole miss, MO or BC can likely do as well. They won't beat Clemson or Bama to get their playoff shot, so they are in the same boat as Memphis... with a tougher schedule and much higher stress level to accomplish what is essentially the same goal. Memphis you make maybe half a million less (although the bonus schedule is prime), but you win the Cotton Bowl you likely have statues made in your name. You go to the Cotton Bowl once or twice, but never make the playoffs, you will be fired at those jobs as well.


Here we go again. Statues and legacy and all of the things that some envision are important to someone they have never met. People also toss out the millions he stands to gain as inconsequential because he has already earned more than they can fathom and has other priorities defined for him by the anonymous internet crowd (of which, I am just one with an opinion, and idle time in an airport to weigh in).

He DOES NOT have a chance of playing for a championship here, whereas he does at any of the schools mentioned. (Unlikely, yes, but at least they have a path where we do not currently and for the foreseeable future). I don’t like it either but that is the reality. He may be positioning himself for the next iteration of a CFP that includes more than a top 4?

There is not a coach that I would want that does not think that he is the one to succeed wildly where others have failed. Coaching is a type “A” profession, all the way, you have to be wired that way to be the best of the best and I think Norvell is certainly that.

Let it play out but don’t think for a second that Norvell is not at least talking to some of these suitors, he would be an idiot not to, and I believe him to be represented by the best agent in the history of agents.

Today’s teams at the top were not always at the top. Georgia, Fla, Bama, LSU, even Auburn, they have all been down relatively recently, and now some of them are the perceived unbeatables that he would not want to coach against?

Enjoy and savor the time with OUR Coach, he is ours until otherwise. I for one hope that he proves different than the norm and stays here forever, but understand that his priorities don’t necessarily align with my own. When he does leave, it will be with my thanks and best wishes.


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(12-02-2019 03:14 AM)JRR_IV Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 12:19 AM)Stammers Wrote:  Baylor would be a sleeper if Rhule leaves. It's not a great job but you can recruit, make the playoff and parlay that into a really good job.

Think he would fit in really well at Baylor. Where could you see Rhule going? FSU?

See the Odom thread. He lifted it from me. Rhule very well is next NY Giants coach.
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(12-01-2019 10:37 PM)RCM1029 Wrote:  
(12-01-2019 10:04 PM)Penny1 Wrote:  
(12-01-2019 09:45 PM)RCM1029 Wrote:  I have to think Norvell would jump at the Missouri job. You’re not in the SEC West and if you believe you can compete with Georgia and Florida in the SEC East, you take the money and run.

Troll alert! 03-troll

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Well you can take all this Ark, Mizzou, Ole Miss crap and flush it.

The Cowboys are interested in Lincoln Riley.
If Riley’s phone rings he’s gone.

THEN....that’s when Norvell is gone.
He’d crawl over broken glass to get to OU.

(Of course after the obligatory “Urban Meyer” dance.)

I think FSU is a high probability but that would only happen IF Brian Kelly says no to a Jimbo Fisher/TAMU type contract that FSU will throw at him.
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(12-02-2019 12:17 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  I think you guys are minimizing the allure of sitting at the grown ups table. With a win Saturday, he will have accomplished about all he can at Memphis. Playing in the Cotton Bowl (or whatever the top bowl a non P5 team can expect to make) is pretty much the pinnacle.

Motivated, ambitious coaches like Norvell usually look for something higher. I could easily see him at Arkansas or Missouri next year. I’m sure he thinks he could get the job done at either place. Realistically, it will be difficult to really succeed at either place, but I’d be surprised if he wouldn’t take either job if offered. I’m not so sure of Ole Miss, but I’m sure he’d listen.

I’d love to keep him here, but I totally understand if he leaves for greener pastures. He’s left the program in a great state, and we should find a lot of great coaches interested in the job. As we know, other than Fuente, it’s been a coaching graveyard.

I’d really be surprised if he is our coach next year...

He has said multiple times that the grass isn't always greener.

You are confusing his honesty with Fuente. Fuente said from the beginning that he wanted to move on to better. I respected him for the honesty. Norvell has been the opposite.

The Cotton Bowl might be the best Memphis can do, but it is the best (meaning NY6 Bowl) that AR, ole miss, MO or BC can likely do as well. They won't beat Clemson or Bama to get their playoff shot, so they are in the same boat as Memphis... with a tougher schedule and much higher stress level to accomplish what is essentially the same goal. Memphis you make maybe half a million less (although the bonus schedule is prime), but you win the Cotton Bowl you likely have statues made in your name. You go to the Cotton Bowl once or twice, but never make the playoffs, you will be fired at those jobs as well.


Here we go again. Statues and legacy and all of the things that some envision are important to someone they have never met. People also toss out the millions he stands to gain as inconsequential because he has already earned more than they can fathom and has other priorities defined for him by the anonymous internet crowd (of which, I am just one with an opinion, and idle time in an airport to weigh in).

He DOES NOT have a chance of playing for a championship here, whereas he does at any of the schools mentioned. (Unlikely, yes, but at least they have a path where we do not currently and for the foreseeable future). I don’t like it either but that is the reality. He may be positioning himself for the next iteration of a CFP that includes more than a top 4?

There is not a coach that I would want that does not think that he is the one to succeed wildly where others have failed. Coaching is a type “A” profession, all the way, you have to be wired that way to be the best of the best and I think Norvell is certainly that.

Let it play out but don’t think for a second that Norvell is not at least talking to some of these suitors, he would be an idiot not to, and I believe him to be represented by the best agent in the history of agents.

Today’s teams at the top were not always at the top. Georgia, Fla, Bama, LSU, even Auburn, they have all been down relatively recently, and now some of them are the perceived unbeatables that he would not want to coach against?

Enjoy and savor the time with OUR Coach, he is ours until otherwise. I for one hope that he proves different than the norm and stays here forever, but understand that his priorities don’t necessarily align with my own. When he does leave, it will be with my thanks and best wishes.


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You say he has no chance to play for a natl title, but he'll have a top 25 team virtually every year. At OM, MO & AR that is not likely. And there is very little difference in the money with much more security here. Wisdom is to wait for a premo job. And if MN keeps winning AAC west titles, plays for AAC titles, he will eventually get his opportunity at a premo job or usher Memphis into the big time - both better options than OM, AR or MO for jobs.
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Justin Fuente got the VT job. Coach Norvell can do better than the local SEC job. He would do well at FSU. He would probably be fired in 3 years at the local SEC school. I would rather see him at USC.
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(12-02-2019 08:42 AM)memphodude Wrote:  Well you can take all this Ark, Mizzou, Ole Miss crap and flush it.

The Cowboys are interested in Lincoln Riley.
If Riley’s phone rings he’s gone.

THEN....that’s when Norvell is gone.
He’d crawl over broken glass to get to OU.

(Of course after the obligatory “Urban Meyer” dance.)

I think FSU is a high probability but that would only happen IF Brian Kelly says no to a Jimbo Fisher/TAMU type contract that FSU will throw at him.

Interesting take. Norvell would (and should) absolutely take the Oklahoma job. Lots of dominoes to fall.

It's gonna be a stressful December...
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(12-02-2019 08:47 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  
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(12-02-2019 01:17 AM)MvETigers Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 12:17 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  I think you guys are minimizing the allure of sitting at the grown ups table. With a win Saturday, he will have accomplished about all he can at Memphis. Playing in the Cotton Bowl (or whatever the top bowl a non P5 team can expect to make) is pretty much the pinnacle.

Motivated, ambitious coaches like Norvell usually look for something higher. I could easily see him at Arkansas or Missouri next year. I’m sure he thinks he could get the job done at either place. Realistically, it will be difficult to really succeed at either place, but I’d be surprised if he wouldn’t take either job if offered. I’m not so sure of Ole Miss, but I’m sure he’d listen.

I’d love to keep him here, but I totally understand if he leaves for greener pastures. He’s left the program in a great state, and we should find a lot of great coaches interested in the job. As we know, other than Fuente, it’s been a coaching graveyard.

I’d really be surprised if he is our coach next year...

He has said multiple times that the grass isn't always greener.

You are confusing his honesty with Fuente. Fuente said from the beginning that he wanted to move on to better. I respected him for the honesty. Norvell has been the opposite.

The Cotton Bowl might be the best Memphis can do, but it is the best (meaning NY6 Bowl) that AR, ole miss, MO or BC can likely do as well. They won't beat Clemson or Bama to get their playoff shot, so they are in the same boat as Memphis... with a tougher schedule and much higher stress level to accomplish what is essentially the same goal. Memphis you make maybe half a million less (although the bonus schedule is prime), but you win the Cotton Bowl you likely have statues made in your name. You go to the Cotton Bowl once or twice, but never make the playoffs, you will be fired at those jobs as well.


Here we go again. Statues and legacy and all of the things that some envision are important to someone they have never met. People also toss out the millions he stands to gain as inconsequential because he has already earned more than they can fathom and has other priorities defined for him by the anonymous internet crowd (of which, I am just one with an opinion, and idle time in an airport to weigh in).

He DOES NOT have a chance of playing for a championship here, whereas he does at any of the schools mentioned. (Unlikely, yes, but at least they have a path where we do not currently and for the foreseeable future). I don’t like it either but that is the reality. He may be positioning himself for the next iteration of a CFP that includes more than a top 4?

There is not a coach that I would want that does not think that he is the one to succeed wildly where others have failed. Coaching is a type “A” profession, all the way, you have to be wired that way to be the best of the best and I think Norvell is certainly that.

Let it play out but don’t think for a second that Norvell is not at least talking to some of these suitors, he would be an idiot not to, and I believe him to be represented by the best agent in the history of agents.

Today’s teams at the top were not always at the top. Georgia, Fla, Bama, LSU, even Auburn, they have all been down relatively recently, and now some of them are the perceived unbeatables that he would not want to coach against?

Enjoy and savor the time with OUR Coach, he is ours until otherwise. I for one hope that he proves different than the norm and stays here forever, but understand that his priorities don’t necessarily align with my own. When he does leave, it will be with my thanks and best wishes.


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You say he has no chance to play for a natl title, but he'll have a top 25 team virtually every year. At OM, MO & AR that is not likely. And there is very little difference in the money with much more security here. Wisdom is to wait for a premo job. And if MN keeps winning AAC west titles, plays for AAC titles, he will eventually get his opportunity at a premo job or usher Memphis into the big time - both better options than OM, AR or MO for jobs.


You say top 25, but what you really mean is top 15-25, rarely higher, and a single loss costs you big time. Slim margin for error (Tulsa?). I don’t know what the difference is in the money, nor would a guess get me anywhere close, probably.

Primo job somewhere? Absolutely, but does he want to wait? As one poster here said, if OU comes calling he is gone, and should be. The rest really depends on what is important to him and his family, and no one can really predict that or the timeframe.


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Whatever happens I'm happy for Norvell. He has been a terrific coach. Obviously we all want him to stay but I will be a big fan of his for his entire career.
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