Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)

Post Reply 
Shane Beamer
Author Message
Bookmark and Share
ODU1986 Online
2nd String
*

Posts: 391
Joined: Jul 2012
Reputation: 19
I Root For: Old Dominion
Location:
Post: #1
Shane Beamer
I’ve been reading up on this guy and his credentials are really quite impressive. A wide range of P5 coaching responsibilities and experience, a guy we could likely afford, and someone that may want to return to Virginia. And It doesn’t hurt that his dad is a coaching legend which may help to open a few recruiting doors.

Anyone see negatives with this guy?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
12-01-2019 08:55 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply

ziggy_nb Offline
Water Engineer
*

Posts: 15
Joined: Nov 2019
Reputation: 0
I Root For: Old Dominion
Location:
Post: #2
RE: Shane Beamer
He apparently makes $470K as an assistant HC/tight ends coach in the Big 12. What would “affordable” look like here?
12-01-2019 09:00 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
ODUCoach Offline
All American
*

Posts: 3,222
Joined: Feb 2007
Reputation: 54
I Root For: ODU
Location: Hampton Boulevard
Post: #3
RE: Shane Beamer
Here's my test: Assign him the name Shane Smith. Check his credentials. Do they pass muster without the Beamer name?

I think they do. He's definitely worth a look. If he can keep Stinespring, even better.
12-01-2019 09:04 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Grommet Offline
Shamma Lamma Ding Dong
*

Posts: 2,261
Joined: Aug 2016
Reputation: 91
I Root For: ODU
Location:
Post: #4
RE: Shane Beamer
WakeyLeaks, but in a world of Joe Paternos, Bobby Petrinos, and Art Briles, it's a relatively minor speedbump.
12-01-2019 09:14 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Monarchblue Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 6,140
Joined: May 2012
Reputation: 69
I Root For: ODU
Location:
Post: #5
RE: Shane Beamer
(12-01-2019 09:00 PM)ziggy_nb Wrote:  He apparently makes $470K as an assistant HC/tight ends coach in the Big 12. What would “affordable” look like here?
If we're not paying very close to $1M, we are not competitive. If they can't afford that we are in an untenable situation with football. BTW, we need to be able to pay about the same in basketball whenever it is time to replace JJ. The athletic program needs to figure out what it is going to make that happen in those two sports. Fortunately, they have at least a few years to worry about the basketball side, but all decisions need to be made with that understanding. No more cheaping out. No more crying poor. They aren't poor compared to our peers, and I expect them to figure out how to compensate their coaches like the top level mid major that out budget, fan support, and facilities say we are.

Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk
12-01-2019 09:16 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Gilesfan Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 13,601
Joined: May 2012
Reputation: 74
I Root For: ODU
Location:
Post: #6
RE: Shane Beamer
(12-01-2019 09:04 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  Here's my test: Assign him the name Shane Smith. Check his credentials. Do they pass muster without the Beamer name?

I think they do. He's definitely worth a look. If he can keep Stinespring, even better.

Not sure I agree with that. Hes never been a coordinator. How do we know how he will react leading anything? Coodinators and head coaches are leaders, Beamer had never been more than a position coach. (And no assistant head coach does not mean anything).

Hes coach at impressive places and has a Dad that did things.......but I would be skeptical. I wouldnt hate the hire but not everyone can be a leader.
12-01-2019 09:16 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply

Razor Ramon Monarch Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 7,914
Joined: Nov 2007
Reputation: 78
I Root For: Old Dominion
Location:
Post: #7
RE: Shane Beamer
Cut non-revenue programs (while staying title mine compliant) and use all the extra money to invest in the only two sports anyone actually gives a crap about.

Stretching the athletic budget so thin has lead to mediocrity in everything.
12-01-2019 09:28 PM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
ODUalum78 Online
Overseer of the Unwashed Masses
*

Posts: 7,218
Joined: May 2012
Reputation: 83
I Root For: ODU
Location: Chesterfield, Va

Lion's Den Poster of the Year
Post: #8
RE: Shane Beamer
(12-01-2019 08:55 PM)ODU1986 Wrote:  I’ve been reading up on this guy and his credentials are really quite impressive. A wide range of P5 coaching responsibilities and experience, a guy we could likely afford, and someone that may want to return to Virginia. And It doesn’t hurt that his dad is a coaching legend which may help to open a few recruiting doors.

Anyone see negatives with this guy?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


Shane Beamer is a question mark.
Even with the cloud of the Wake Forest scandal aside (I happen to think that is a big deal) https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc.../95764120/
it has taken him almost 20 years just to achieve the rank of Assistant Coach (OU) when the average time from grad assistant to HC is like 12.36 years, if it is indeed going to happen at all.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10...4117746498


With that said, BW's current compensation is around $750,000, so we could almost double what Shane makes (ca $470K) without adding any strain to the existing budget.
(This post was last modified: 12-01-2019 09:34 PM by ODUalum78.)
12-01-2019 09:33 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
ODUCoach Offline
All American
*

Posts: 3,222
Joined: Feb 2007
Reputation: 54
I Root For: ODU
Location: Hampton Boulevard
Post: #9
RE: Shane Beamer
(12-01-2019 09:16 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-01-2019 09:04 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  Here's my test: Assign him the name Shane Smith. Check his credentials. Do they pass muster without the Beamer name?

I think they do. He's definitely worth a look. If he can keep Stinespring, even better.

Not sure I agree with that. Hes never been a coordinator. How do we know how he will react leading anything? Coodinators and head coaches are leaders, Beamer had never been more than a position coach. (And no assistant head coach does not mean anything).

Hes coach at impressive places and has a Dad that did things.......but I would be skeptical. I wouldnt hate the hire but not everyone can be a leader.

I think this is a very fair assessment. I'm not really sure I agree totally that time as a coordinator better prepares you leadership-wise to be the CEO of a program, but I think the question as to what kind of leader he will be is a fair one.

I don't know if Beamer would be the best candidate, but like you, I wouldn't hate the hire. I'm far less familiar with football coaches than I am on the basketball side, so take anything I post regarding a potential search with the understanding that I'm an idiot.
12-01-2019 09:33 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
ODUCoach Offline
All American
*

Posts: 3,222
Joined: Feb 2007
Reputation: 54
I Root For: ODU
Location: Hampton Boulevard
Post: #10
RE: Shane Beamer
(12-01-2019 09:28 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  Cut non-revenue programs (while staying title mine compliant) and use all the extra money to invest in the only two sports anyone actually gives a crap about.

Stretching the athletic budget so thin has lead to mediocrity in everything.

This isn't going to happen, so it's moot, but I'd rather drop football than do this.
12-01-2019 09:36 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
ODUalum78 Online
Overseer of the Unwashed Masses
*

Posts: 7,218
Joined: May 2012
Reputation: 83
I Root For: ODU
Location: Chesterfield, Va

Lion's Den Poster of the Year
Post: #11
RE: Shane Beamer
(12-01-2019 09:33 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  
(12-01-2019 08:55 PM)ODU1986 Wrote:  I’ve been reading up on this guy and his credentials are really quite impressive. A wide range of P5 coaching responsibilities and experience, a guy we could likely afford, and someone that may want to return to Virginia. And It doesn’t hurt that his dad is a coaching legend which may help to open a few recruiting doors.

Anyone see negatives with this guy?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


Shane Beamer is a question mark.
Even with the cloud of the Wake Forest scandal aside (I happen to think that is a big deal) https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc.../95764120/
it has taken him almost 20 years just to achieve the rank of Assistant Coach (OU) when the average time from grad assistant to HC is like 12.36 years, if it is indeed going to happen at all.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10...4117746498


With that said, BW's current compensation is around $750,000, so we could almost double what Shane makes (ca $470K) without adding any strain to the existing budget.

And from last month:
(11-11-2019 04:56 PM)ODUalum78 Wrote:  Unlike Taggart of whom I said "no thank you", I don't believe tha I offered an opinion beyond the WF scandal. However IMHO that is a game ender for the position of HC at ODU, but that is just my opinion.

The question mark is that he "worked (and studied under coaches)" of that ilk, and yet was never even mentioned for a potential coordinator opportunity, is of concern. A position coach does not ordinarily have the "management" experience to go directly to HC. Even now, he is not a coordinator, he is a multiple position coach with a title shared by another coach (Ruffin McNeill), both under an Associate HC at OU.

07-coffee3
(This post was last modified: 12-01-2019 09:50 PM by ODUalum78.)
12-01-2019 09:49 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply

ziggy_nb Offline
Water Engineer
*

Posts: 15
Joined: Nov 2019
Reputation: 0
I Root For: Old Dominion
Location:
Post: #12
RE: Shane Beamer
(12-01-2019 09:16 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  
(12-01-2019 09:00 PM)ziggy_nb Wrote:  He apparently makes $470K as an assistant HC/tight ends coach in the Big 12. What would “affordable” look like here?
If we're not paying very close to $1M, we are not competitive. If they can't afford that we are in an untenable situation with football. BTW, we need to be able to pay about the same in basketball whenever it is time to replace JJ. The athletic program needs to figure out what it is going to make that happen in those two sports. Fortunately, they have at least a few years to worry about the basketball side, but all decisions need to be made with that understanding. No more cheaping out. No more crying poor. They aren't poor compared to our peers, and I expect them to figure out how to compensate their coaches like the top level mid major that out budget, fan support, and facilities say we are.

Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk

Amen. I just know the **** that’s shoveled by this administration on a yearly basis about how badly they’re hamstrung by folks up in Richmond.

If they think we’re poor now, see what happens when you gamble and lose on BW again.
(This post was last modified: 12-01-2019 09:55 PM by ziggy_nb.)
12-01-2019 09:54 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Gilesfan Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 13,601
Joined: May 2012
Reputation: 74
I Root For: ODU
Location:
Post: #13
RE: Shane Beamer
(12-01-2019 09:33 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  
(12-01-2019 09:16 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  
(12-01-2019 09:04 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  Here's my test: Assign him the name Shane Smith. Check his credentials. Do they pass muster without the Beamer name?

I think they do. He's definitely worth a look. If he can keep Stinespring, even better.

Not sure I agree with that. Hes never been a coordinator. How do we know how he will react leading anything? Coodinators and head coaches are leaders, Beamer had never been more than a position coach. (And no assistant head coach does not mean anything).

Hes coach at impressive places and has a Dad that did things.......but I would be skeptical. I wouldnt hate the hire but not everyone can be a leader.

I think this is a very fair assessment. I'm not really sure I agree totally that time as a coordinator better prepares you leadership-wise to be the CEO of a program, but I think the question as to what kind of leader he will be is a fair one.

I don't know if Beamer would be the best candidate, but like you, I wouldn't hate the hire. I'm far less familiar with football coaches than I am on the basketball side, so take anything I post regarding a potential search with the understanding that I'm an idiot.

At least with a coordinator you are leading a unit. You are making decisions.

Its more skepticism than it is hating him. When you have that last name, its easy to get a job.

The problem is whoever is the coach next year will likely have huge improvements so it will be tough to gauge how much is related to coach.
12-01-2019 09:55 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
GotLabradors Offline
2nd String
*

Posts: 495
Joined: Jul 2016
Reputation: 13
I Root For: ODU
Location:
Post: #14
RE: Shane Beamer
Shane as the new OC. Uncle Bryan could help smooth the transition.
12-01-2019 10:25 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
bigblueodu Offline
1st String
*

Posts: 2,040
Joined: Feb 2012
Reputation: 44
I Root For: Old Dominion
Location:
Post: #15
RE: Shane Beamer
(12-01-2019 09:36 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  
(12-01-2019 09:28 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  Cut non-revenue programs (while staying title mine compliant) and use all the extra money to invest in the only two sports anyone actually gives a crap about.

Stretching the athletic budget so thin has lead to mediocrity in everything.

This isn't going to happen, so it's moot, but I'd rather drop football than do this.
You would rather drop football than mens diving and swimming?

Sent from my SM-G965U using CSNbbs mobile app
12-01-2019 10:35 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Monarchblue Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 6,140
Joined: May 2012
Reputation: 69
I Root For: ODU
Location:
Post: #16
Shane Beamer
Dabo was never more than a position coach before taking over at Clemson... Just sayin'. Go hire the person that seems like is the best fit regardless of all the other random criteria. You can put yourself in a box pretty quickly and ignore good options if you get too carried away with this checkbox or that checkbox.

Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk
12-01-2019 10:35 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply

LetsGoODU Online
Special Teams
*

Posts: 908
Joined: May 2012
Reputation: 16
I Root For: ODU
Location: Norfolk VA
Post: #17
RE: Shane Beamer
(12-01-2019 10:35 PM)bigblueodu Wrote:  
(12-01-2019 09:36 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  
(12-01-2019 09:28 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  Cut non-revenue programs (while staying title mine compliant) and use all the extra money to invest in the only two sports anyone actually gives a crap about.

Stretching the athletic budget so thin has lead to mediocrity in everything.

This isn't going to happen, so it's moot, but I'd rather drop football than do this.
You would rather drop football than mens diving and swimming?

Sent from my SM-G965U using CSNbbs mobile app

The point is, if we have to drop diving just to be a little more successful in football, then hell yea we shouldn’t have an FBS team.
12-01-2019 10:37 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
ODUCoach Offline
All American
*

Posts: 3,222
Joined: Feb 2007
Reputation: 54
I Root For: ODU
Location: Hampton Boulevard
Post: #18
RE: Shane Beamer
(12-01-2019 10:37 PM)LetsGoODU Wrote:  The point is, if we have to drop diving just to be a little more successful in football, then hell yea we shouldn’t have an FBS team.

Exactly this.
12-01-2019 10:41 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Gilesfan Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 13,601
Joined: May 2012
Reputation: 74
I Root For: ODU
Location:
Post: #19
RE: Shane Beamer
(12-01-2019 10:35 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Dabo was never more than a position coach before taking over at Clemson... Just sayin'. Go hire the person that seems like is the best fit regardless of all the other random criteria. You can put yourself in a box pretty quickly and ignore good options if you get too carried away with this checkbox or that checkbox.

Sent from my Pixel 3 XL using Tapatalk

Thats true and the reason most didnt like the hire. And there are exceptions to every rule. And Dabo Was also an elite recruiter...maybe the best around. 05-ban
12-01-2019 10:50 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Razor Ramon Monarch Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 7,914
Joined: Nov 2007
Reputation: 78
I Root For: Old Dominion
Location:
Post: #20
RE: Shane Beamer
(12-01-2019 10:41 PM)ODUCoach Wrote:  
(12-01-2019 10:37 PM)LetsGoODU Wrote:  The point is, if we have to drop diving just to be a little more successful in football, then hell yea we shouldn’t have an FBS team.

Exactly this.

We don’t have unlimited resources, how does this make any sense in your mind?

If it allows us to hire better coaches that are capable of winning and drawing it more fans it’s a win win.
12-01-2019 11:07 PM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2019 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2019 MyBB Group.