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NIU's year to get shafted was 2003 after wins at home against Iowa State and a ranked Maryland (10-3) team, and road win against Alabama, going 10-2. Only losses were to Bowling Green (11-3), and Toledo (8-4). No bowl game.
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(Yesterday 02:21 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Most Bowl games lose money for G5 schools. So who doesn't go could surprise you

Presumably, they pay off in other ways (e.g., exposure, recruiting, etc.). Otherwise the bowls wouldn't exist.
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(12-01-2019 08:57 PM)whittx Wrote:  EMU, since Liberty will buy their way into a bowl.
That off the cuff comment may be true. One could see JFJr., Prez of LU, upping the anti guaranteeing to ticket quotes and busing LU students to the game.
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(12-01-2019 09:01 PM)Mav Wrote:  
(12-01-2019 08:33 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  Liberty or Toledo.

Liberty beat a TON of 2-win teams, Toledo at the bottom of the MAC West won't look good.
Toledo also has a decent brand with previous wins over P5 teams and consistent success. In bowl selection, perception matters more than reality. They're in.
I believe fans may want to believe perceptions plays the big part, but in reality it's money that carries the big stick. These small bowls need to generate funds to assure their continued success. Liberty likely has the most unappealing, weakest record (wins), plus playing NewMexicoStateUniv (two of their 2019 wins) twice in 2018 and 2019. But lots of LU fannies in the seats and the draw/controversy/appeal of HC Freeze would generate interest few programs could match, with being the 78th pick.
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(Yesterday 09:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-04-2019 12:46 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Wyoming and Army both got shafted in the 90s as well.

What do you guys mean by "shafted"?

If in 1998 a 7-5 Ole Miss team went to a bowl because the SEC had a contract with the bowl while a 10-2 Tulane team stayed home because they didn't, that's not getting shafted.

NIU 2003 went 10-2 with wins over Alabama, Iowa State, & top-20 Maryland. No bowl. That’s getting shafted.
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(Yesterday 06:49 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(Yesterday 09:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-04-2019 12:46 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Wyoming and Army both got shafted in the 90s as well.

What do you guys mean by "shafted"?

If in 1998 a 7-5 Ole Miss team went to a bowl because the SEC had a contract with the bowl while a 10-2 Tulane team stayed home because they didn't, that's not getting shafted.

NIU 2003 went 10-2 with wins over Alabama, Iowa State, & top-20 Maryland. No bowl. That’s getting shafted.

That year, there were 28 bowl games, so 56 teams went to bowls.

Sadly for the MAC, while six teams met the 6-win criterion, only two teams went to bowls, the champions of the two divisions, Miami-O and Bowling Green. They were the two most deserving MAC teams to go, but today's situation, where more than two MAC teams can play in bowls, is better.

That's basically what the expansion from 56 to 78 bowl teams has done, created more space for the lower-end G5 teams to play in bowls.

It hasn't really changed anything for the powerful leagues. E.g., in 2003, the twelve-school SEC had seven teams that were bowl eligible, and all seven played in bowl games.
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(Yesterday 07:56 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(Yesterday 06:49 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(Yesterday 09:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-04-2019 12:46 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Wyoming and Army both got shafted in the 90s as well.

What do you guys mean by "shafted"?

If in 1998 a 7-5 Ole Miss team went to a bowl because the SEC had a contract with the bowl while a 10-2 Tulane team stayed home because they didn't, that's not getting shafted.

NIU 2003 went 10-2 with wins over Alabama, Iowa State, & top-20 Maryland. No bowl. That’s getting shafted.

That year, there were 28 bowl games, so 56 teams went to bowls.

Sadly for the MAC, while six teams met the 6-win criterion, only two teams went to bowls, the champions of the two divisions, Miami-O and Bowling Green. They were the two most deserving MAC teams to go, but today's situation, where more than two MAC teams can play in bowls, is better.

That's basically what the expansion from 56 to 78 bowl teams has done, created more space for the lower-end G5 teams to play in bowls.

It hasn't really changed anything for the powerful leagues. E.g., in 2003, the twelve-school SEC had seven teams that were bowl eligible, and all seven played in bowl games.

It hasn't changed the fact that mediocre 6-6 P5 teams still go to bowls. The difference is that G5 teams that are better now go to bowls also.
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(Yesterday 10:22 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(Yesterday 07:56 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(Yesterday 06:49 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(Yesterday 09:23 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(12-04-2019 12:46 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Wyoming and Army both got shafted in the 90s as well.

What do you guys mean by "shafted"?

If in 1998 a 7-5 Ole Miss team went to a bowl because the SEC had a contract with the bowl while a 10-2 Tulane team stayed home because they didn't, that's not getting shafted.

NIU 2003 went 10-2 with wins over Alabama, Iowa State, & top-20 Maryland. No bowl. That’s getting shafted.

That year, there were 28 bowl games, so 56 teams went to bowls.

Sadly for the MAC, while six teams met the 6-win criterion, only two teams went to bowls, the champions of the two divisions, Miami-O and Bowling Green. They were the two most deserving MAC teams to go, but today's situation, where more than two MAC teams can play in bowls, is better.

That's basically what the expansion from 56 to 78 bowl teams has done, created more space for the lower-end G5 teams to play in bowls.

It hasn't really changed anything for the powerful leagues. E.g., in 2003, the twelve-school SEC had seven teams that were bowl eligible, and all seven played in bowl games.

It hasn't changed the fact that mediocre 6-6 P5 teams still go to bowls. The difference is that G5 teams that are better now go to bowls also.

Remember, a P5 team at 6-6 may not be mediocre by G5 standards. E.g., in the computers, 6-6 Michigan State is #42, while 9-3 UAB is #76.

Also, it's not just mediocre 6-6 P5 that benefit. Truly bad G5 6-6 teams do too. For example, this year there are six 6-6 G5 teams, and five of them will play in a bowl.
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(Yesterday 05:09 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  
(12-01-2019 08:57 PM)whittx Wrote:  EMU, since Liberty will buy their way into a bowl.
That off the cuff comment may be true. One could see JFJr., Prez of LU, upping the anti guaranteeing to ticket quotes and busing LU students to the game.

Not really off the cuff since they can use the bowl money as a marketing expense for LU and LU Online.
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