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RE: Boston College fires Steve Addazio
(12-02-2019 12:12 PM)megadrone Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 12:41 AM)Eagle78 Wrote:  
(12-01-2019 08:49 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  If FSU fires a coach for going 6-7, 7-6, 6-6... I get it. But BC? I wonder what they think their ceiling is?

What is BC's ceiling? How about this?

BC's W-L Records
1999: 8-4
2000: 7-5
2001: 8-4
2002: 9-4
2003: 8-5
2004: 9-3
2005: 9-3
2006: 10-3
2007: 11-3 (ACC Champ Game)
2008: 9-5 (ACC Champ Game)
2009: 8-4

Since 2010 - BC has been mostly a 7-5 team (with a couple of down years thrown in.)

For us BC alums and fans - I don' think it is too much to ask that we get back to this kind of performance. How can ANY fanbase be satisfied with constant .500ish seasons??

Surprisingly, there are a couple of people in this thread asking about BC's support for the program. Really? They just built a $52.6M indoor practice facility which is one of the best in the country, to go along with a dedicated FB building and a 44,500 on campus stadium. SA was reportedly paid in the middle of the pack for ACC coaches. The Assistants are also paid well. Not too much to expect better than continual .500 performances. I would expect the new coach to have a bump up in salary (obviously depending on who it is).

Today's move firmly demonstrates BC's support for the program. If that wasn't the case, it would have been easy to just coast with SA - who is a good guy, runs a clean program, and builds good character players - and pile up .500 seasons with annual bowl invites. BC needs more. IMO, it needs all the positives that SA brought - with better performance.

So he was Tom O'Brien without any top 25 finishes?

I am not sure what your are implying. There is no comparison to Tom O'Brien.

During SA's 7-year tenure, he won 7 games EVERY year but one (winning 3 games that year). As the numbers above show, during the last 8 years of Tom O'Brien's tenure (his first two years were a rebuild from the gambling fiasco), he won 8, 7, 8, 9, 8, 9, 9, 10 games a year respectively.

Nobody at BC is saying that SA's tenure was horrible. In fact, most fans appreciate that he left the program better than when he found it (coming off the Spaz era), but it was pretty clear to many that 7 wins a year was his ceiling. BC is better than that. Sure, BC may have 7-5 seasons, but they need to be mixed with 8,9, and 10 win seasons too. Let's not forget that BC won 11 games in 2007 and went to the ACCCG in both 2007 and 2008.

Nobody is saying that BC is gonna be Clemson, but it has the capability - and history - of being better than what is has been under SA.

Not rocket science - and the logic here should be obvious.
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RE: Boston College fires Steve Addazio
Well, context would help a bit. Like, were there any benchmarks, or are we simply looking at 6's and 7's and getting upset that they aren't 8's or 9's?

This isn't the BCS era anymore. And that has changed A LOT of how schools are motivated to perform during the season. And, no offense, but while someone can say "we don't expect you be Clemson," yet, getting to 8 or 9-win seasons might put you close to that conversation anyway?

With the kind of theatre college athletics has become, maybe boosters and other donors should be taking pressers to speak freely about these things. They're the ones really tightening the screws to these people, anyway. College president at some of these elite institutions don't give two ****'s about a football coach, especially if bowl games for majors are locks for anyone who can stumble to six wins (and you can do that more easily in the ACC with four non-conference games).
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RE: Boston College fires Steve Addazio
(12-02-2019 01:57 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 12:12 PM)megadrone Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 12:41 AM)Eagle78 Wrote:  
(12-01-2019 08:49 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  If FSU fires a coach for going 6-7, 7-6, 6-6... I get it. But BC? I wonder what they think their ceiling is?

What is BC's ceiling? How about this?

BC's W-L Records
1999: 8-4
2000: 7-5
2001: 8-4
2002: 9-4
2003: 8-5
2004: 9-3
2005: 9-3
2006: 10-3
2007: 11-3 (ACC Champ Game)
2008: 9-5 (ACC Champ Game)
2009: 8-4

Since 2010 - BC has been mostly a 7-5 team (with a couple of down years thrown in.)

For us BC alums and fans - I don' think it is too much to ask that we get back to this kind of performance. How can ANY fanbase be satisfied with constant .500ish seasons??

Surprisingly, there are a couple of people in this thread asking about BC's support for the program. Really? They just built a $52.6M indoor practice facility which is one of the best in the country, to go along with a dedicated FB building and a 44,500 on campus stadium. SA was reportedly paid in the middle of the pack for ACC coaches. The Assistants are also paid well. Not too much to expect better than continual .500 performances. I would expect the new coach to have a bump up in salary (obviously depending on who it is).

Today's move firmly demonstrates BC's support for the program. If that wasn't the case, it would have been easy to just coast with SA - who is a good guy, runs a clean program, and builds good character players - and pile up .500 seasons with annual bowl invites. BC needs more. IMO, it needs all the positives that SA brought - with better performance.

So he was Tom O'Brien without any top 25 finishes?

I am not sure what your are implying. There is no comparison to Tom O'Brien.

During SA's 7-year tenure, he won 7 games EVERY year but one (winning 3 games that year). As the numbers above show, during the last 8 years of Tom O'Brien's tenure (his first two years were a rebuild from the gambling fiasco), he won 8, 7, 8, 9, 8, 9, 9, 10 games a year respectively.

Nobody at BC is saying that SA's tenure was horrible. In fact, most fans appreciate that he left the program better than when he found it (coming off the Spaz era), but it was pretty clear to many that 7 wins a year was his ceiling. BC is better than that. Sure, BC may have 7-5 seasons, but they need to be mixed with 8,9, and 10 win seasons too. Let's not forget that BC won 11 games in 2007 and went to the ACCCG in both 2007 and 2008.

Nobody is saying that BC is gonna be Clemson, but it has the capability - and history - of being better than what is has been under SA.

Not rocket science - and the logic here should be obvious.

It was this (boldfaced): If that wasn't the case, it would have been easy to just coast with SA - who is a good guy, runs a clean program, and builds good character players - and pile up .500 seasons with annual bowl invites. BC needs more. IMO, it needs all the positives that SA brought - with better performance.

My first thought was O'Brien -- particularly cleaning up BC football after the issues in the mid 90s. O'Brien had regular top 25 finishes. Addazio did not.
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(12-02-2019 02:23 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Well, context would help a bit. Like, were there any benchmarks, or are we simply looking at 6's and 7's and getting upset that they aren't 8's or 9's?

This isn't the BCS era anymore. And that has changed A LOT of how schools are motivated to perform during the season. And, no offense, but while someone can say "we don't expect you be Clemson," yet, getting to 8 or 9-win seasons might put you close to that conversation anyway?

With the kind of theatre college athletics has become, maybe boosters and other donors should be taking pressers to speak freely about these things. They're the ones really tightening the screws to these people, anyway. College president at some of these elite institutions don't give two ****'s about a football coach, especially if bowl games for majors are locks for anyone who can stumble to six wins (and you can do that more easily in the ACC with four non-conference games).

Context? Sure. BC was an 8-9 win team (with a 10 and 11 win season thrown in) for an extended period. Now they are a 7 win team. Had Daz put one or two 8-9 win seasons together, this would not have happened, IMO.

Sorry, 8-9 win seasons would not put BC in the "Clemson conversation." If Clemson reverted back to that kind of performance (continual 8-9 win seasons), Dabo would be on the hot seat.

Again, not rocket science. Plenty of BC's peer programs have enjoyed 8+ win seasons in recent years. No reason why BC is not capable of the same - especially given its track record.
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(12-02-2019 02:45 PM)megadrone Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 01:57 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 12:12 PM)megadrone Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 12:41 AM)Eagle78 Wrote:  
(12-01-2019 08:49 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  If FSU fires a coach for going 6-7, 7-6, 6-6... I get it. But BC? I wonder what they think their ceiling is?

What is BC's ceiling? How about this?

BC's W-L Records
1999: 8-4
2000: 7-5
2001: 8-4
2002: 9-4
2003: 8-5
2004: 9-3
2005: 9-3
2006: 10-3
2007: 11-3 (ACC Champ Game)
2008: 9-5 (ACC Champ Game)
2009: 8-4

Since 2010 - BC has been mostly a 7-5 team (with a couple of down years thrown in.)

For us BC alums and fans - I don' think it is too much to ask that we get back to this kind of performance. How can ANY fanbase be satisfied with constant .500ish seasons??

Surprisingly, there are a couple of people in this thread asking about BC's support for the program. Really? They just built a $52.6M indoor practice facility which is one of the best in the country, to go along with a dedicated FB building and a 44,500 on campus stadium. SA was reportedly paid in the middle of the pack for ACC coaches. The Assistants are also paid well. Not too much to expect better than continual .500 performances. I would expect the new coach to have a bump up in salary (obviously depending on who it is).

Today's move firmly demonstrates BC's support for the program. If that wasn't the case, it would have been easy to just coast with SA - who is a good guy, runs a clean program, and builds good character players - and pile up .500 seasons with annual bowl invites. BC needs more. IMO, it needs all the positives that SA brought - with better performance.

So he was Tom O'Brien without any top 25 finishes?

I am not sure what your are implying. There is no comparison to Tom O'Brien.

During SA's 7-year tenure, he won 7 games EVERY year but one (winning 3 games that year). As the numbers above show, during the last 8 years of Tom O'Brien's tenure (his first two years were a rebuild from the gambling fiasco), he won 8, 7, 8, 9, 8, 9, 9, 10 games a year respectively.

Nobody at BC is saying that SA's tenure was horrible. In fact, most fans appreciate that he left the program better than when he found it (coming off the Spaz era), but it was pretty clear to many that 7 wins a year was his ceiling. BC is better than that. Sure, BC may have 7-5 seasons, but they need to be mixed with 8,9, and 10 win seasons too. Let's not forget that BC won 11 games in 2007 and went to the ACCCG in both 2007 and 2008.

Nobody is saying that BC is gonna be Clemson, but it has the capability - and history - of being better than what is has been under SA.

Not rocket science - and the logic here should be obvious.

It was this (boldfaced): If that wasn't the case, it would have been easy to just coast with SA - who is a good guy, runs a clean program, and builds good character players - and pile up .500 seasons with annual bowl invites. BC needs more. IMO, it needs all the positives that SA brought - with better performance.

My first thought was O'Brien -- particularly cleaning up BC football after the issues in the mid 90s. O'Brien had regular top 25 finishes. Addazio did not.

Fair enough. I see where you were going with that. Thanks for clarifying. My only point was that after we have gone through 7 years where we don't win more than 7 games a season, 8-9 (and occasional 10) win seasons look awfully good.
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(12-02-2019 02:54 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 02:23 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Well, context would help a bit. Like, were there any benchmarks, or are we simply looking at 6's and 7's and getting upset that they aren't 8's or 9's?

This isn't the BCS era anymore. And that has changed A LOT of how schools are motivated to perform during the season. And, no offense, but while someone can say "we don't expect you be Clemson," yet, getting to 8 or 9-win seasons might put you close to that conversation anyway?

With the kind of theatre college athletics has become, maybe boosters and other donors should be taking pressers to speak freely about these things. They're the ones really tightening the screws to these people, anyway. College president at some of these elite institutions don't give two ****'s about a football coach, especially if bowl games for majors are locks for anyone who can stumble to six wins (and you can do that more easily in the ACC with four non-conference games).

Context? Sure. BC was an 8-9 win team (with a 10 and 11 win season thrown in) for an extended period. Now they are a 7 win team. Had Daz put one or two 8-9 win seasons together, this would not have happened, IMO.

Sorry, 8-9 win seasons would not put BC in the "Clemson conversation." If Clemson reverted back to that kind of performance (continual 8-9 win seasons), Dabo would be on the hot seat.

Again, not rocket science. Plenty of BC's peer programs have enjoyed 8+ win seasons in recent years. No reason why BC is not capable of the same - especially given its track record.

Right, so, anger at 6's and 7's.

Remind me again who's playing Clemson in the CCG? What's their record?
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(12-02-2019 03:00 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 02:54 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  
(12-02-2019 02:23 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Well, context would help a bit. Like, were there any benchmarks, or are we simply looking at 6's and 7's and getting upset that they aren't 8's or 9's?

This isn't the BCS era anymore. And that has changed A LOT of how schools are motivated to perform during the season. And, no offense, but while someone can say "we don't expect you be Clemson," yet, getting to 8 or 9-win seasons might put you close to that conversation anyway?

With the kind of theatre college athletics has become, maybe boosters and other donors should be taking pressers to speak freely about these things. They're the ones really tightening the screws to these people, anyway. College president at some of these elite institutions don't give two ****'s about a football coach, especially if bowl games for majors are locks for anyone who can stumble to six wins (and you can do that more easily in the ACC with four non-conference games).

Context? Sure. BC was an 8-9 win team (with a 10 and 11 win season thrown in) for an extended period. Now they are a 7 win team. Had Daz put one or two 8-9 win seasons together, this would not have happened, IMO.

Sorry, 8-9 win seasons would not put BC in the "Clemson conversation." If Clemson reverted back to that kind of performance (continual 8-9 win seasons), Dabo would be on the hot seat.

Again, not rocket science. Plenty of BC's peer programs have enjoyed 8+ win seasons in recent years. No reason why BC is not capable of the same - especially given its track record.

Right, so, anger at 6's and 7's.

Remind me again who's playing Clemson in the CCG? What's their record?

That's my point. Clemson is playing UVA. UVA finished the season at 9-3. Keep in mind that UVA was one of the worst teams in the ACC until they brought in a new HC who has turned the program around.

I think you are missing my larger issue. It's not anger at the 6-7 win seasons. I understand the larger realities of CFB. It's just that under SA, BC could NEVER get above 7 wins. If he was able to manage a few 8+ seasons in that mix, we would not be having this discussion, IMO. Other programs - that have historically been lesser programs than BC performance wise - have managed to do it. For what BC was paying SA, it was not an unreasonable ask, IMO
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(12-01-2019 04:39 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  Should have never fired Jags.


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He coached two seasons, going to the ACC CCG both, and finishing top 10 once. BC has now spent 12 years trying to reclaim what Jagodzinski had.

Probably the most ridiculous firing ever? And how has he not gotten a HC job since?
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(12-01-2019 08:49 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  If FSU fires a coach for going 6-7, 7-6, 6-6... I get it. But BC? I wonder what they think their ceiling is?

BC fired Jagodzinski who won 20 games in 2 years. O'brien also bailed on them.
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Is the same AD still there that showed his ass by firing Jags who only interviewed with the Jets???

Powers to be at BC should look at Cincinnati’s HC Luke Fickle, and if not there look at coaches from the MAC for they always produce good up and coming Head Coaches.

I think the support is there, but maybe location is the issue. I think BC needs to highlight the big ticket items and surrounding events etc when selling the place to potential recruits. I’m sure they are, but off the top of my head I’m lost in what they can sell other than pro sports etc.

When visiting BC what are they selling recruits to enhance their positions against other schools???
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(12-03-2019 10:17 AM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  Is the same AD still there that showed his ass by firing Jags who only interviewed with the Jets???
That was Gene DeFilippo, who has been gone for several years.
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(12-01-2019 04:16 PM)Mav Wrote:  Another headscratcher. He got them to .500 in a power conference while in the middle of a recruiting desert. BC's loss will be someone else's gain very soon, I'm sure.

He has been on the hot seat mention list for a while even though he hasn't done all that bad with a private school with limited facilities and money for better coaches and facilities. Don't know who they have in mind to replace him though. Guess BC has set the bar higher than realistic expectations though things may have grown stale around mid land performances. Face it they aren't Notre Dame. 07-coffee3
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(12-02-2019 03:12 PM)Eagle78 Wrote:  I think you are missing my larger issue. It's not anger at the 6-7 win seasons. I understand the larger realities of CFB. It's just that under SA, BC could NEVER get above 7 wins. If he was able to manage a few 8+ seasons in that mix, we would not be having this discussion, IMO. Other programs - that have historically been lesser programs than BC performance wise - have managed to do it. For what BC was paying SA, it was not an unreasonable ask, IMO

Three losses for a combined twelve points is awfully close to 9-3 and 7-1 in the conference. Not in the Clemson conversation? On that side of the conference, swing it the other way, when the only loss is to Clemson, it very much is a talking point and motivator.

It is what it is. Seems petty to do after getting to bowl eligibility and not after getting thumped by Clemson or bested by FSU when you're probably really seething over the Kansas loss.

So, if the next guy stumbles out of the gate next year, is that Steve's fault?
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