(12-15-2019 10:19 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  B1G has 31 OOC losses - 2.21 per team

and a lot easier remaining OOC schedule- 30 games and only 11 KP tier a or b games.

Also, OOC losses in the BE hurt more than all other conferences except for the Big 12 due to the H2H round robin.

Attendance for the Morgan State-Chestnut Hill game: 58.

Looking like a rough night for the SEC...

Loyola-Chicago 78
Vandy 70

ETSU 74
LSU 63

Utah is up on Kentucky, and Cincy took out the Vols.

Good lord, SMC...

Utah- a team who lost to Tulane and Coastal Carolina(by 20)- just beat Kentucky.

(12-19-2019 01:25 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Utah- a team who lost to Tulane and Coastal Carolina(by 20)- just beat Kentucky.

You're trying to make it sound like Utah was 0-10 before this game, but they were 8-2.

Kentucky was 2 of 14 on 3-point attempts. The key for any UK opponent with a decent defense is going to be denying drives to the basket as much as possible. Let 'em shoot from behind the arc all night long.

(12-19-2019 01:31 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-19-2019 01:25 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Utah- a team who lost to Tulane and Coastal Carolina(by 20)- just beat Kentucky.

You're trying to make it sound like Utah was 0-10 before this game, but they were 8-2.

Kentucky was 2 of 14 on 3-point attempts. The key for any UK opponent with a decent defense is going to be denying drives to the basket as much as possible. Let 'em shoot from behind the arc all night long.

5 of their 8 wins were Q3 or Q4 wins.... Lets not pretend that Utah is a good team by any stretch of the imagination.

(12-19-2019 01:48 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-19-2019 01:31 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-19-2019 01:25 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Utah- a team who lost to Tulane and Coastal Carolina(by 20)- just beat Kentucky.

You're trying to make it sound like Utah was 0-10 before this game, but they were 8-2.

Kentucky was 2 of 14 on 3-point attempts. The key for any UK opponent with a decent defense is going to be denying drives to the basket as much as possible. Let 'em shoot from behind the arc all night long.

5 of their 8 wins were Q3 or Q4 wins.... Lets not pretend that Utah is a good team by any stretch of the imagination.

They're not great. They're #58 in this week's NET (ahead of Kentucky, FWIW). They will likely finish 7th or 8th in the Pac-12. But they're not gawdawful, either.

Utah is very young (I think one of the 3 youngest rosters in the country), has two sophomores that get minutes, one RS freshman, and a handful of true freshmen. As typical of young teams, they are wildly inconsistent, especially on the road.

Pretty solid team at home, but the game runs through the freshman PG who has some rib injuries that were aggravated last night. Probably in for a rough stretch until he's back.

Adding the #16 recruiting class next year, I think Utah BBall is finally back on track, but this year won't be the year.

Cincinnati downed #21 Tennessee 78-66. First team to put up more than 70 on the Vols this year.

As Bob Huggins once said in a commercial here (while laying in a coffin) “We’re not dead yet.”

(12-19-2019 03:49 AM)jrj84105 Wrote:  Adding the #16 recruiting class next year, I think Utah BBall is finally back on track, but this year won't be the year.

You might be selling yourselves short a little for this year with this PAC field. It may be inconsistent enough there that it won't be terribly hard to be safely over .500 by season's end, and enough there for a NIT bid?

Metrically, the wins over Minnesota, BYU, and Kentucky will be decent by season's end. We seem pretty sure Tulane is good for a bad loss, but, you never know. A win over SDSU this weekend, and even a shaky conference season can generate some conversations about worthiness.

Quote:Kentucky was 2 of 14 on 3-point attempts. The key for any UK opponent with a decent defense is going to be denying drives to the basket as much as possible. Let 'em shoot from behind the arc all night long.

Meanwhile, the game has turned into throwing the ball from behind the line. It seems odd that UK could be so bad at that given what it brings in.

The three-game distorts so much it seems now. More than anything, tells a story about how flat or one-dimensional a team can be. Last night, St. Mary's utterly stomped Arizona State by 40. SMC went 16 for 26 in 3's...it would have been enough to cover most of ASU's total scoring (let alone only needing to score seven points in the second half hold them off). ASU, otoh? 3 for 22. At what point do you think...this isn't working for us?

(12-19-2019 08:48 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(12-19-2019 03:49 AM)jrj84105 Wrote:  Adding the #16 recruiting class next year, I think Utah BBall is finally back on track, but this year won't be the year.

You might be selling yourselves short a little for this year with this PAC field. It may be inconsistent enough there that it won't be terribly hard to be safely over .500 by season's end, and enough there for a NIT bid?

Metrically, the wins over Minnesota, BYU, and Kentucky will be decent by season's end. We seem pretty sure Tulane is good for a bad loss, but, you never know. A win over SDSU this weekend, and even a shaky conference season can generate some conversations about worthiness.

Quote:Kentucky was 2 of 14 on 3-point attempts. The key for any UK opponent with a decent defense is going to be denying drives to the basket as much as possible. Let 'em shoot from behind the arc all night long.

Meanwhile, the game has turned into throwing the ball from behind the line. It seems odd that UK could be so bad at that given what it brings in.

The three-game distorts so much it seems now. More than anything, tells a story about how flat or one-dimensional a team can be. Last night, St. Mary's utterly stomped Arizona State by 40. SMC went 16 for 26 in 3's...it would have been enough to cover most of ASU's total scoring (let alone only needing to score seven points in the second half hold them off). ASU, otoh? 3 for 22. At what point do you think...this isn't working for us?

17 3's (2-17)isn't much at all. Kentucky took 46 2's So that's only 27% of the shots being 3's.

That's the point. They don't have an outside game.

A tale of Threes

Utah 5/28
Coastal Carolina 11/24

Utah 8/15
Kentucky 2/17

Utah was coming off a 17/34 home performance before coastal carolina. Kentucky is also a very young team. This is what young teams do on the road.

(12-17-2019 01:35 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  Attendance for the Morgan State-Chestnut Hill game: 58.

Did either team score more points than the number of people in counted attendance?

Seton Hall beat #7 Maryland 52-48 on Thursday night. Big win for Seton Hall after struggling in some other games this season.

(12-20-2019 12:29 AM)Wedge Wrote:  Seton Hall beat #7 Maryland 52-48 on Thursday night. Big win for Seton Hall after struggling in some other games this season.

yep.. w/o Powell even....

I know what color March Madness is gonna be this year.
RED. As in the red x on missed picks in the brackets.....

It wouldn’t surprise me how many bids the Big Ten, Big East, and Big XII suck up from the field after the non-conference and redistribute through conference play, while the SEC and ACC give theirs away.

A10 might resemble that infamous MVC season. You get some decent metrics, but the sight test?

(12-20-2019 04:09 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  It wouldn’t surprise me how many bids the Big Ten, Big East, and Big XII suck up from the field after the non-conference and redistribute through conference play, while the SEC and ACC give theirs away.

A10 might resemble that infamous MVC season. You get some decent metrics, but the sight test?

It really doesn't work like that though. Conferences don't get bids, teams do.

AS far as the A10- yes it's been better but the league has 3 teams in the top 50. That's good- but nothing like the MVC season.... Dayton and Richmond have Q1 wins- that's it.

(12-20-2019 08:15 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-20-2019 04:09 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  It wouldn’t surprise me how many bids the Big Ten, Big East, and Big XII suck up from the field after the non-conference and redistribute through conference play, while the SEC and ACC give theirs away.

A10 might resemble that infamous MVC season. You get some decent metrics, but the sight test?

It really doesn't work like that though. Conferences don't get bids, teams do.

AS far as the A10- yes it's been better but the league has 3 teams in the top 50. That's good- but nothing like the MVC season.... Dayton and Richmond have Q1 wins- that's it.

No, conferences don't get bids, but teams with no work in the non-conference who get lucky a few times during the conference season do. We've seen that more than a few times (that god-awful Kansas State bid a few years ago with one of the worst non-conference SOS for an at-large). A good win or two is a good win. A good conference is frosting. The affiliation does add weight; we may just have to agree to disagree with that.

As for the A10 to MVC comparison, it's that you presently have seven A10 teams in the NET top 100, and three of those, including Duquesne, in the top 25. Over time, as these teams play each other, assuming there's parity, it's going to push these schools around the scale. It wasn't like that magic MVC year was too different; there weren't too many schools grabbing great wins, but they did get wins on the road and didn't pick up bad losses. We know the result, and people were quick to say the MVC rigged RPI. Supposing Duquesne and George Mason get one or two over a Richmond, VCU, Dayton, Rhode Island...they're going to count as good wins, but, just how good are those other A10 teams, really?

(12-20-2019 09:11 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(12-20-2019 08:15 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-20-2019 04:09 AM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  It wouldn’t surprise me how many bids the Big Ten, Big East, and Big XII suck up from the field after the non-conference and redistribute through conference play, while the SEC and ACC give theirs away.

A10 might resemble that infamous MVC season. You get some decent metrics, but the sight test?

It really doesn't work like that though. Conferences don't get bids, teams do.

AS far as the A10- yes it's been better but the league has 3 teams in the top 50. That's good- but nothing like the MVC season.... Dayton and Richmond have Q1 wins- that's it.

No, conferences don't get bids, but teams with no work in the non-conference who get lucky a few times during the conference season do. We've seen that more than a few times (that god-awful Kansas State bid a few years ago with one of the worst non-conference SOS for an at-large). A good win or two is a good win. A good conference is frosting. The affiliation does add weight; we may just have to agree to disagree with that.

As for the A10 to MVC comparison, it's that you presently have seven A10 teams in the NET top 100, and three of those, including Duquesne, in the top 25. Over time, as these teams play each other, assuming there's parity, it's going to push these schools around the scale. It wasn't like that magic MVC year was too different; there weren't too many schools grabbing great wins, but they did get wins on the road and didn't pick up bad losses. We know the result, and people were quick to say the MVC rigged RPI. Supposing Duquesne and George Mason get one or two over a Richmond, VCU, Dayton, Rhode Island...they're going to count as good wins, but, just how good are those other A10 teams, really?

Or the SoCon last year where the top four schools had good losses on the road, a Q1/2 win in the OOC, and then they'd play each other and they'd become Q1 road games. No matter how much you respected the program, you wouldn't presume that East Tennessee State was a Q1 game, but they were.