If we hire anyone internally, I will be extremely disappointed. Poteat might be the only exception there but I'd really like to see us go after an FCS DC with a track-record of success. Watching our defense fail year after year has been one of the most frustrating things about watching Toledo football over the better part of the last decade.

(12-01-2019 11:09 PM)SylRocketFan Wrote:  If we hire anyone internally, I will be extremely disappointed. Poteat might be the only exception there but I'd really like to see us go after an FCS DC with a track-record of success. Watching our defense fail year after year has been one of the most frustrating things about watching Toledo football over the better part of the last decade.

+1

(12-01-2019 11:09 PM)SylRocketFan Wrote:  If we hire anyone internally, I will be extremely disappointed. Poteat might be the only exception there but I'd really like to see us go after an FCS DC with a track-record of success. Watching our defense fail year after year has been one of the most frustrating things about watching Toledo football over the better part of the last decade.

No way Candle promotes anyone on defensive staff left to DC. He might as well resign by that point...

(12-01-2019 10:22 PM)RangerRocket Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 09:45 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 09:04 PM)toledobigmike Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 08:09 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  I don't think Candle would hire Kuligowski. I think he would be intimidated.

Maybe Candle could get Kuligowski and Eberflus in a room together for a day and try to figure out what in the hell is wrong with the defense. My guess is that Candle is really hard-headed and that MOB demanded changes (surprisingly).

What do you base that on? Or is it merely wild speculation on your part?

Wild speculation. This board loves that. Whether it comes to players transferring because they're not playing a lot, to recruits decommitting from Toledo because of a 6-6 season, to whatever.

Wild speculation = purpose, definition and charter of a fan-driven message board

Nice to have that one guy who hates everyone on the message board because we’re so mean to Toledo athletics...

(12-01-2019 12:59 PM)Rocketman61 Wrote:  A year late and only should be the beginning. Watson should be toast as well. Hallet next to go . This team has regressed the entire past two seasons . He had inherited a locker room of talent and developed players and has ran the level down to par at best. He isn’t attached to the players and is about his next coaching move, which isn’t t coming. Toledo is stuck with him until the contract expires. No other program will take him as the truth has been revealed. He is an average OC coach with limited leadership skills.

There is a distinct lack of player development and it shows . Pick a position, they all are evident . Defense has been a joke and a complete mess for two years going. DB and LB play is weakest in past, and DL has been playing on skis all year. Childress is the only exception. Coach McDaniel leaving was a huge blow to this program and was instantly realized. OL same.

The culture is something Coach Campbell preached and made the players accountable. Candle has not done so. Players missing meetings, late to lifts, sleeping in films, and still starting is a problem. He has sent the wrong message to the players, and in return he has gotten the exact response an 18-19 kid would give you. I’ll do as the others because they no there is NO recourse to playing time.

Unfortunately he will bring the program down to a 4-6 record level and then the University will be left with hiring another coach to bring it back to a winning program that we all can be proud of on the field.

There is a lot in this post that indicates you have some insight into the program. The second paragraph is something that, if true, is very troubling. I'm not going to ask for your source of that information - but I am also not ready to accept it as fact without knowing how you are aware of that information. But - if what you wrote can be accepted as fact, then your conclusion at the end paragraph is likely to be the case.

Leaders can be developed. It will be interesting to see if Candle humbles himself enough to seek advice and training on being a leader. These actions could be a good start, but it had better be because he could see what was needed to be done - and why - and not a reaction to criticism received from whatever sources there may be. It is important for everyone in the program to understand why changes are being made, and what it will take to be successful going forward. It also means Candle will need to quickly establish what his expectations are going forward. He needs to become a master communicator - not only of pats on the back, but more importantly - what his expectations are - and why they are important. There should be no doubt in anyone's mind as to what is expected. He has this opportunity to show this program that he made changes for a reason - and that he himself also needed to change in order to provide everyone the opportunity to be successful. If he points to those coaches as the reason they were not successful, he will not succeed. If he had provided expectations, resources, and training for them to succeed and they did not use it or did not come up with a successful strategy or plan to succeed, then it will be clear why they were let go. It may also be a confusing mess and some of the players may have felt an allegiance to those coaches. That needs to be cleared up immediately. Those coaches cannot be viewed as scapegoats by the players.

(12-01-2019 10:22 PM)RangerRocket Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 09:45 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 09:04 PM)toledobigmike Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 08:09 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  I don't think Candle would hire Kuligowski. I think he would be intimidated.

Maybe Candle could get Kuligowski and Eberflus in a room together for a day and try to figure out what in the hell is wrong with the defense. My guess is that Candle is really hard-headed and that MOB demanded changes (surprisingly).

What do you base that on? Or is it merely wild speculation on your part?

Wild speculation. This board loves that. Whether it comes to players transferring because they're not playing a lot, to recruits decommitting from Toledo because of a 6-6 season, to whatever.

Wild speculation = purpose, definition and charter of a fan-driven message board

"The culture is something Coach Campbell preached and made the players accountable. Candle has not done so. Players missing meetings, late to lifts, sleeping in films, and still starting is a problem. He has sent the wrong message to the players, and in return he has gotten the exact response an 18-19 kid would give you. I’ll do as the others because they no there is NO recourse to playing time."


This is the paragraph that bothers me. It makes sense if you remember Coach Candle saying something like he was not pleased with the 2018 team leadership. If you can't control commitment by controlling playing time, what the heck!!!! Actions have consequences especially for 18 - 22 year olds.
Not at all happy to read this for sure.

(12-01-2019 11:40 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  At least that's a start. Would like to know the back story.

Bad DEFENSE.

(12-01-2019 12:46 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote:  Had to happen...relieved to see that the decision was made. Perhaps some other coaches were also put on notice.

New coaches may mean a brand new scheme, so next year can be excused if we at least show progress. I’m not expecting a championship in 2020, but we really need to be at least in the mix come 2021.

Looking for coaches who attack not the coaches who have the bend but don"t break theory.

This is a last ditch effort to keep your job usually by a head coach. Look what happened at MSU last year and this year, Dantonio's unwillingness to fire coaches and bring in new blood has hurt his program more. Sometimes new schemes and coaches with better player development history can ignite a program. It will be interesting to see who Candle brings in, and if MOB allows a nice package of incentives to lure a coach with a track record of being a good DC in comparable or higher level of competition. The issue is what happens if the NEW scheme doesn't match with the current players on the roster. As we've noted in the last couple years our linebacker recruiting has been pretty bad.

(12-02-2019 11:36 AM)utrocks84 Wrote:  This is a last ditch effort to keep your job usually by a head coach. Look what happened at MSU last year and this year, Dantonio's unwillingness to fire coaches and bring in new blood has hurt his program more. Sometimes new schemes and coaches with better player development history can ignite a program. It will be interesting to see who Candle brings in, and if MOB allows a nice package of incentives to lure a coach with a track record of being a good DC in comparable or higher level of competition. The issue is what happens if the NEW scheme doesn't match with the current players on the roster. As we've noted in the last couple years our linebacker recruiting has been pretty bad.

Don't believe the LB'ER recruiting was the issue.

Coach Hadsell was trolling Candle from his professional twitter. Haha. He wasn’t wrong on this one.

https://twitter.com/barbaroacting/status...57473?s=21

(12-02-2019 07:46 AM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 10:22 PM)RangerRocket Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 09:45 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 09:04 PM)toledobigmike Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 08:09 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  I don't think Candle would hire Kuligowski. I think he would be intimidated.

Maybe Candle could get Kuligowski and Eberflus in a room together for a day and try to figure out what in the hell is wrong with the defense. My guess is that Candle is really hard-headed and that MOB demanded changes (surprisingly).

What do you base that on? Or is it merely wild speculation on your part?

Wild speculation. This board loves that. Whether it comes to players transferring because they're not playing a lot, to recruits decommitting from Toledo because of a 6-6 season, to whatever.

Wild speculation = purpose, definition and charter of a fan-driven message board

Nice to have that one guy who hates everyone on the message board because we’re so mean to Toledo athletics...

LOL

Rockets go to a bowl program, play a quality program, lose, finished at 6-7. First losing season in a long time. Yeah, that's what UT fans want. Who ever said it, too many bowl games that don't matter and who cares.

(12-03-2019 11:07 PM)Springboromark Wrote:  Rockets go to a bowl program, play a quality program, lose, finished at 6-7. First losing season in a long time. Yeah, that's what UT fans want. Who ever said it, too many bowl games that don't matter and who cares.

If timing and travel costs work out I'm going...…

Watching this MACC game has me loving these defenses

So jealous

I mentioned FCS DCs earlier in this thread, UNI held South Dakota St to 10 points this week after holding San Diego to 3 points last week.

https://unipanthers.com/sports/football/...ohnson/766