Baylor is gonna get left out again.

(12-03-2019 09:40 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 09:26 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 02:44 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 01:12 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  That sounds good, but the CFP poll has Utah ranked ahead of OU. In fact, every poll has Utah ahead of OU.

That sounds like the first year of the CFP, when TCU was ahead of Ohio State... until the committee decided they wanted the bigger name team in the playoff. Same thing will happen this year. If Utah wins next week, the committee will F them like they did TCU. Take it to the bank.

Why do people still cling to this narrative regarding Ohio St in the first playoff?! It wasn’t about big names—it was because Ohio St CRUSHED their CCG opponent while TCU and Baylor sat idle. Ohio St added a huge quality win that raises their profile above that of the Big 12 co-champs.

We were not idle. TCU played Iowa State and won 55-3 and Baylor blasted Kansas State. What no one remembers is the Wisconsin coach was leaving for Oregon State right after the game since he couldn't stand Alvarez. How hard do you think he prepared for that game?
But we know how it work, they want to sell TV ratings.

That’s right. The Big 12 played regular season games on CCG weekend that year. The main difference was that it was the 12th game for TCU and Baylor while Ohio St played their 13th.

(12-03-2019 09:47 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  Baylor is gonna get left out again.

what's bad is again, their OOC SOS will play a part....

2014- SMU, Northwestern St, Buffalo
2019- Stephen F Austin, UTSA, Rice

you schedule like that, you deserve what you get.

Oh and 2020-22, they play exactly 1 P5 team. Ole Miss next year. (and stop about BYU being a P5 team, they aren't).

(12-03-2019 09:26 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 02:44 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 01:12 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  That sounds good, but the CFP poll has Utah ranked ahead of OU. In fact, every poll has Utah ahead of OU.

That sounds like the first year of the CFP, when TCU was ahead of Ohio State... until the committee decided they wanted the bigger name team in the playoff. Same thing will happen this year. If Utah wins next week, the committee will F them like they did TCU. Take it to the bank.

Why do people still cling to this narrative regarding Ohio St in the first playoff?! It wasn’t about big names—it was because Ohio St CRUSHED their CCG opponent while TCU and Baylor sat idle. Ohio St added a huge quality win that raises their profile above that of the Big 12 co-champs.

TCU crushed a weak Iowa St. team that day and Baylor beat a good Kansas St. team that day. They were not idle. And TCU fell from 3rd to 6th.

(12-03-2019 10:32 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 09:47 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  Baylor is gonna get left out again.

what's bad is again, their OOC SOS will play a part....

2014- SMU, Northwestern St, Buffalo
2019- Stephen F Austin, UTSA, Rice

you schedule like that, you deserve what you get.

Oh and 2020-22, they play exactly 1 P5 team. Ole Miss next year. (and stop about BYU being a P5 team, they aren't).

Utah-BYU, Northern Illinois, Idaho St.

(12-03-2019 09:47 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  Baylor is gonna get left out again.

Baylor wins and LSU and Oregon win, Baylor is in.
Baylor likely does lose out to a 1 loss LSU and more likely than not loses out to 1 loss Utah.

Oregon is most likely of those 3 cases to win, then LSU. Baylor probably doesn't win, but they have a chance. Baylor-OU will be for a tenative playoff spot after Oregon wins Friday night. And they will have to wait to see if LSU wins.

(12-03-2019 10:32 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 09:26 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 02:44 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 01:12 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  That sounds good, but the CFP poll has Utah ranked ahead of OU. In fact, every poll has Utah ahead of OU.

That sounds like the first year of the CFP, when TCU was ahead of Ohio State... until the committee decided they wanted the bigger name team in the playoff. Same thing will happen this year. If Utah wins next week, the committee will F them like they did TCU. Take it to the bank.

Why do people still cling to this narrative regarding Ohio St in the first playoff?! It wasn’t about big names—it was because Ohio St CRUSHED their CCG opponent while TCU and Baylor sat idle. Ohio St added a huge quality win that raises their profile above that of the Big 12 co-champs.

TCU crushed a weak Iowa St. team that day and Baylor beat a good Kansas St. team that day. They were not idle. And TCU fell from 3rd to 6th.

But that was the problem ... You could argue TCU should be in over Ohio State, but not over Baylor. But Baylor had a weak argument vs ... Ohio State. That was TCU's problem - every time someone could say why TCU should get in over Ohio State, the "well what about Baylor?" issue would be raised and there was no answer for it as Baylor had the same record as TCU and beat them H2H. Baylor was an albatross around TCU's neck, and the Big 12's. They drug TCU down, and out of the CFP.

If the Big 12 had a CCG, the Baylor/TCU winner would have gotten in over Ohio State, but as it was, Ohio State was the best choice given what the committee had to work with.

Heck, the AP and Coaches polls moved Ohio State past TCU too, and they came out before the final CFP did. Baylor also jumped ahead of TCU in those polls. TCU didn't just fall in the CFP, they fell in the AP and Coaches too. That's because teams they were ahead of - Ohio State and Baylor - had impressive wins over better teams.

Nothing unusual, happens all the time in polls.

(12-03-2019 10:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 10:32 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 09:26 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 02:44 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 01:12 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  That sounds good, but the CFP poll has Utah ranked ahead of OU. In fact, every poll has Utah ahead of OU.

That sounds like the first year of the CFP, when TCU was ahead of Ohio State... until the committee decided they wanted the bigger name team in the playoff. Same thing will happen this year. If Utah wins next week, the committee will F them like they did TCU. Take it to the bank.

Why do people still cling to this narrative regarding Ohio St in the first playoff?! It wasn’t about big names—it was because Ohio St CRUSHED their CCG opponent while TCU and Baylor sat idle. Ohio St added a huge quality win that raises their profile above that of the Big 12 co-champs.

TCU crushed a weak Iowa St. team that day and Baylor beat a good Kansas St. team that day. They were not idle. And TCU fell from 3rd to 6th.

But that was the problem ... You could argue TCU should be in over Ohio State, but not over Baylor. But Baylor had a weak argument vs ... Ohio State. That was TCU's problem - every time someone could say why TCU should get in over Ohio State, the "well what about Baylor?" issue would be raised and there was no answer for it as Baylor had the same record as TCU and beat them H2H. Baylor was an albatross around TCU's neck, and the Big 12's. They drug TCU down, and out of the CFP.

If the Big 12 had a CCG, the Baylor/TCU winner would have gotten in over Ohio State, but as it was, Ohio State was the best choice given what the committee had to work with.

Heck, the AP and Coaches polls moved Ohio State past TCU too, and they came out before the final CFP did. Baylor also jumped ahead of TCU in those polls. TCU didn't just fall in the CFP, they fell in the AP and Coaches too. That's because teams they were ahead of - Ohio State and Baylor - had impressive wins over better teams.

Nothing unusual, happens all the time in polls.

Actually it rarely happens in polls. Teams tend to stay in position unless something unusual happens. You beat a team 61-6, you never fall 3 spots.

(12-03-2019 10:54 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 10:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 10:32 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 09:26 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(12-01-2019 02:44 AM)Wedge Wrote:  That sounds like the first year of the CFP, when TCU was ahead of Ohio State... until the committee decided they wanted the bigger name team in the playoff. Same thing will happen this year. If Utah wins next week, the committee will F them like they did TCU. Take it to the bank.

Why do people still cling to this narrative regarding Ohio St in the first playoff?! It wasn’t about big names—it was because Ohio St CRUSHED their CCG opponent while TCU and Baylor sat idle. Ohio St added a huge quality win that raises their profile above that of the Big 12 co-champs.

TCU crushed a weak Iowa St. team that day and Baylor beat a good Kansas St. team that day. They were not idle. And TCU fell from 3rd to 6th.

But that was the problem ... You could argue TCU should be in over Ohio State, but not over Baylor. But Baylor had a weak argument vs ... Ohio State. That was TCU's problem - every time someone could say why TCU should get in over Ohio State, the "well what about Baylor?" issue would be raised and there was no answer for it as Baylor had the same record as TCU and beat them H2H. Baylor was an albatross around TCU's neck, and the Big 12's. They drug TCU down, and out of the CFP.

If the Big 12 had a CCG, the Baylor/TCU winner would have gotten in over Ohio State, but as it was, Ohio State was the best choice given what the committee had to work with.

Heck, the AP and Coaches polls moved Ohio State past TCU too, and they came out before the final CFP did. Baylor also jumped ahead of TCU in those polls. TCU didn't just fall in the CFP, they fell in the AP and Coaches too. That's because teams they were ahead of - Ohio State and Baylor - had impressive wins over better teams.

Nothing unusual, happens all the time in polls.

Actually it rarely happens in polls. Teams tend to stay in position unless something unusual happens. You beat a team 61-6, you never fall 3 spots.

It's not really rare. LSU just lost their #1 rank in the CFP despite winning big. Earlier this year, we saw poll positions in the top 5 change based on wins over top teams. IIRC, Clemson fell from #1 to #5 in the AP over a few weeks, despite winning every week.

Thing is though, it wasn't just the CFP. The AP and Coaches - basically everyone - moved Ohio State past TCU, they moved Baylor past them too so it wasn't some big CFP conspiracy against TCU or for Ohio State.

It was the whole human universe and it involved multiple teams. TCU wiped out a nobody, Baylor decisively beat the #9 team, Ohio State wiped out the #12 team. Nothing unusual about the moves at all.

TCU fans can simmer about this until the end of time, but to most of the world, what the CFP did was normal and reasonable under the circumstances.

(12-03-2019 11:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 10:54 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 10:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 10:32 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 09:26 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Why do people still cling to this narrative regarding Ohio St in the first playoff?! It wasn’t about big names—it was because Ohio St CRUSHED their CCG opponent while TCU and Baylor sat idle. Ohio St added a huge quality win that raises their profile above that of the Big 12 co-champs.

TCU crushed a weak Iowa St. team that day and Baylor beat a good Kansas St. team that day. They were not idle. And TCU fell from 3rd to 6th.

But that was the problem ... You could argue TCU should be in over Ohio State, but not over Baylor. But Baylor had a weak argument vs ... Ohio State. That was TCU's problem - every time someone could say why TCU should get in over Ohio State, the "well what about Baylor?" issue would be raised and there was no answer for it as Baylor had the same record as TCU and beat them H2H. Baylor was an albatross around TCU's neck, and the Big 12's. They drug TCU down, and out of the CFP.

If the Big 12 had a CCG, the Baylor/TCU winner would have gotten in over Ohio State, but as it was, Ohio State was the best choice given what the committee had to work with.

Heck, the AP and Coaches polls moved Ohio State past TCU too, and they came out before the final CFP did. Baylor also jumped ahead of TCU in those polls. TCU didn't just fall in the CFP, they fell in the AP and Coaches too. That's because teams they were ahead of - Ohio State and Baylor - had impressive wins over better teams.

Nothing unusual, happens all the time in polls.

Actually it rarely happens in polls. Teams tend to stay in position unless something unusual happens. You beat a team 61-6, you never fall 3 spots.

It's not really rare. LSU just lost their #1 rank in the CFP despite winning big. Earlier this year, we saw poll positions in the top 5 change based on wins over top teams.

Thing is though, it wasn't just the CFP. The AP and Coaches - basically the everyone - moved Ohio State past TCU, they moved Baylor past them too so it wasn't some big CFP conspiracy against TCU or for Ohio State.

It was the whole human universe and it involved multiple teams. TCU wiped out a nobody, Baylor decisively beat the #9 team, Ohio State wiped out the #12 team. Nothing unusual about the moves at all.

TCU fans can simmer about this until the end of time, but to most of the world, what the CFP did was normal and reasonable under the circumstances.

LSU fell 1 spot, not 3 and not at all in the AP or Coaches polls.

(12-03-2019 11:03 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 11:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 10:54 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 10:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 10:32 AM)bullet Wrote:  TCU crushed a weak Iowa St. team that day and Baylor beat a good Kansas St. team that day. They were not idle. And TCU fell from 3rd to 6th.

But that was the problem ... You could argue TCU should be in over Ohio State, but not over Baylor. But Baylor had a weak argument vs ... Ohio State. That was TCU's problem - every time someone could say why TCU should get in over Ohio State, the "well what about Baylor?" issue would be raised and there was no answer for it as Baylor had the same record as TCU and beat them H2H. Baylor was an albatross around TCU's neck, and the Big 12's. They drug TCU down, and out of the CFP.

If the Big 12 had a CCG, the Baylor/TCU winner would have gotten in over Ohio State, but as it was, Ohio State was the best choice given what the committee had to work with.

Heck, the AP and Coaches polls moved Ohio State past TCU too, and they came out before the final CFP did. Baylor also jumped ahead of TCU in those polls. TCU didn't just fall in the CFP, they fell in the AP and Coaches too. That's because teams they were ahead of - Ohio State and Baylor - had impressive wins over better teams.

Nothing unusual, happens all the time in polls.

Actually it rarely happens in polls. Teams tend to stay in position unless something unusual happens. You beat a team 61-6, you never fall 3 spots.

It's not really rare. LSU just lost their #1 rank in the CFP despite winning big. Earlier this year, we saw poll positions in the top 5 change based on wins over top teams.

Thing is though, it wasn't just the CFP. The AP and Coaches - basically the everyone - moved Ohio State past TCU, they moved Baylor past them too so it wasn't some big CFP conspiracy against TCU or for Ohio State.

It was the whole human universe and it involved multiple teams. TCU wiped out a nobody, Baylor decisively beat the #9 team, Ohio State wiped out the #12 team. Nothing unusual about the moves at all.

TCU fans can simmer about this until the end of time, but to most of the world, what the CFP did was normal and reasonable under the circumstances.

LSU fell 1 spot, not 3 and not at all in the AP or Coaches polls.

Clemson fell from #1 to #4 in the AP poll earlier this year despite continuing to win.

TCU fans can't blame the CFP, because the AP and Coaches dropped them too. Was the whole world - CFP committee, all the coaches, all the sportswriters - in one big anti-TCU conspiracy?

And you can't say it was because of Ohio State's brand, because they moved Baylor ahead of TCU as well. All of them did.

Thanks to dumb*** Larry Scott. we've lost almost any chance of accruing style points in the CCG by playing on a wet windy Friday in suburban NorCal instead of under the Vegas sun.

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(12-03-2019 10:34 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 10:32 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 09:47 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  Baylor is gonna get left out again.

what's bad is again, their OOC SOS will play a part....

2014- SMU, Northwestern St, Buffalo
2019- Stephen F Austin, UTSA, Rice

you schedule like that, you deserve what you get.

Oh and 2020-22, they play exactly 1 P5 team. Ole Miss next year. (and stop about BYU being a P5 team, they aren't).

Utah-BYU, Northern Illinois, Idaho St.

well if it were Utah/Baylor- someone has to go.

The thing is if it's Utah/Oklahoma- Oklahoma at least had UCLA and Houston on the schedule. Utah wouldn't get much quarter there from me at all.

(12-03-2019 11:03 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 11:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 10:54 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 10:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 10:32 AM)bullet Wrote:  TCU crushed a weak Iowa St. team that day and Baylor beat a good Kansas St. team that day. They were not idle. And TCU fell from 3rd to 6th.

But that was the problem ... You could argue TCU should be in over Ohio State, but not over Baylor. But Baylor had a weak argument vs ... Ohio State. That was TCU's problem - every time someone could say why TCU should get in over Ohio State, the "well what about Baylor?" issue would be raised and there was no answer for it as Baylor had the same record as TCU and beat them H2H. Baylor was an albatross around TCU's neck, and the Big 12's. They drug TCU down, and out of the CFP.

If the Big 12 had a CCG, the Baylor/TCU winner would have gotten in over Ohio State, but as it was, Ohio State was the best choice given what the committee had to work with.

Heck, the AP and Coaches polls moved Ohio State past TCU too, and they came out before the final CFP did. Baylor also jumped ahead of TCU in those polls. TCU didn't just fall in the CFP, they fell in the AP and Coaches too. That's because teams they were ahead of - Ohio State and Baylor - had impressive wins over better teams.

Nothing unusual, happens all the time in polls.

Actually it rarely happens in polls. Teams tend to stay in position unless something unusual happens. You beat a team 61-6, you never fall 3 spots.

It's not really rare. LSU just lost their #1 rank in the CFP despite winning big. Earlier this year, we saw poll positions in the top 5 change based on wins over top teams.

Thing is though, it wasn't just the CFP. The AP and Coaches - basically the everyone - moved Ohio State past TCU, they moved Baylor past them too so it wasn't some big CFP conspiracy against TCU or for Ohio State.

It was the whole human universe and it involved multiple teams. TCU wiped out a nobody, Baylor decisively beat the #9 team, Ohio State wiped out the #12 team. Nothing unusual about the moves at all.

TCU fans can simmer about this until the end of time, but to most of the world, what the CFP did was normal and reasonable under the circumstances.

LSU fell 1 spot, not 3 and not at all in the AP or Coaches polls.

Baylor got a big win though and made themselves close enough to where the h2h with TCU mattered...

Then Baylor was compared to Ohio St and with the garbage OOC schedule, Ohio St got it.

(12-03-2019 11:29 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 10:34 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 10:32 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 09:47 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  Baylor is gonna get left out again.

what's bad is again, their OOC SOS will play a part....

2014- SMU, Northwestern St, Buffalo
2019- Stephen F Austin, UTSA, Rice

you schedule like that, you deserve what you get.

Oh and 2020-22, they play exactly 1 P5 team. Ole Miss next year. (and stop about BYU being a P5 team, they aren't).

Utah-BYU, Northern Illinois, Idaho St.

well if it were Utah/Baylor- someone has to go.

The thing is if it's Utah/Oklahoma- Oklahoma at least had UCLA and Houston on the schedule. Utah wouldn't get much quarter there from me at all.

BYU is 64, UCLA 65, and Houston 73.

BYU is a better win than Houston and Utah's win over UCLA was better than OU's.

(12-03-2019 10:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  But that was the problem ... You could argue TCU should be in over Ohio State, but not over Baylor. But Baylor had a weak argument vs ... Ohio State. That was TCU's problem - every time someone could say why TCU should get in over Ohio State, the "well what about Baylor?" issue would be raised and there was no answer for it as Baylor had the same record as TCU and beat them H2H. Baylor was an albatross around TCU's neck, and the Big 12's. They drug TCU down, and out of the CFP.

If the Big 12 had a CCG, the Baylor/TCU winner would have gotten in over Ohio State, but as it was, Ohio State was the best choice given what the committee had to work with.

Heck, the AP and Coaches polls moved Ohio State past TCU too, and they came out before the final CFP did. Baylor also jumped ahead of TCU in those polls. TCU didn't just fall in the CFP, they fell in the AP and Coaches too. That's because teams they were ahead of - Ohio State and Baylor - had impressive wins over better teams.

Nothing unusual, happens all the time in polls.

I think OU and Baylor would both be left out with an LSU/Utah win had the Big 12 not changed on gone to a CCG in the final weekend. Now OU in the driver seat and will sweep a crappy Baylor to make this moot.

(12-03-2019 12:31 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 10:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  But that was the problem ... You could argue TCU should be in over Ohio State, but not over Baylor. But Baylor had a weak argument vs ... Ohio State. That was TCU's problem - every time someone could say why TCU should get in over Ohio State, the "well what about Baylor?" issue would be raised and there was no answer for it as Baylor had the same record as TCU and beat them H2H. Baylor was an albatross around TCU's neck, and the Big 12's. They drug TCU down, and out of the CFP.

If the Big 12 had a CCG, the Baylor/TCU winner would have gotten in over Ohio State, but as it was, Ohio State was the best choice given what the committee had to work with.

Heck, the AP and Coaches polls moved Ohio State past TCU too, and they came out before the final CFP did. Baylor also jumped ahead of TCU in those polls. TCU didn't just fall in the CFP, they fell in the AP and Coaches too. That's because teams they were ahead of - Ohio State and Baylor - had impressive wins over better teams.

Nothing unusual, happens all the time in polls.

I think OU and Baylor would both be left out with an LSU/Utah win had the Big 12 not changed on gone to a CCG in the final weekend. Now OU in the driver seat and will sweep a crappy Baylor to make this moot.

Probably very true.

(12-03-2019 11:06 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 11:03 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 11:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 10:54 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 10:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  But that was the problem ... You could argue TCU should be in over Ohio State, but not over Baylor. But Baylor had a weak argument vs ... Ohio State. That was TCU's problem - every time someone could say why TCU should get in over Ohio State, the "well what about Baylor?" issue would be raised and there was no answer for it as Baylor had the same record as TCU and beat them H2H. Baylor was an albatross around TCU's neck, and the Big 12's. They drug TCU down, and out of the CFP.

If the Big 12 had a CCG, the Baylor/TCU winner would have gotten in over Ohio State, but as it was, Ohio State was the best choice given what the committee had to work with.

Heck, the AP and Coaches polls moved Ohio State past TCU too, and they came out before the final CFP did. Baylor also jumped ahead of TCU in those polls. TCU didn't just fall in the CFP, they fell in the AP and Coaches too. That's because teams they were ahead of - Ohio State and Baylor - had impressive wins over better teams.

Nothing unusual, happens all the time in polls.

Actually it rarely happens in polls. Teams tend to stay in position unless something unusual happens. You beat a team 61-6, you never fall 3 spots.

It's not really rare. LSU just lost their #1 rank in the CFP despite winning big. Earlier this year, we saw poll positions in the top 5 change based on wins over top teams.

Thing is though, it wasn't just the CFP. The AP and Coaches - basically the everyone - moved Ohio State past TCU, they moved Baylor past them too so it wasn't some big CFP conspiracy against TCU or for Ohio State.

It was the whole human universe and it involved multiple teams. TCU wiped out a nobody, Baylor decisively beat the #9 team, Ohio State wiped out the #12 team. Nothing unusual about the moves at all.

TCU fans can simmer about this until the end of time, but to most of the world, what the CFP did was normal and reasonable under the circumstances.

LSU fell 1 spot, not 3 and not at all in the AP or Coaches polls.

Clemson fell from #1 to #4 in the AP poll earlier this year despite continuing to win.

TCU fans can't blame the CFP, because the AP and Coaches dropped them too. Was the whole world - CFP committee, all the coaches, all the sportswriters - in one big anti-TCU conspiracy?

And you can't say it was because of Ohio State's brand, because they moved Baylor ahead of TCU as well. All of them did.

Clemson lost votes when they beat UNC 21-20 after a failed 2 pt conversion. They dropped from 55 to 18 first place votes in the AP after that game. And that was 4 games deep, not 12.

(12-03-2019 01:59 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 11:06 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 11:03 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 11:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 10:54 AM)bullet Wrote:  Actually it rarely happens in polls. Teams tend to stay in position unless something unusual happens. You beat a team 61-6, you never fall 3 spots.

It's not really rare. LSU just lost their #1 rank in the CFP despite winning big. Earlier this year, we saw poll positions in the top 5 change based on wins over top teams.

Thing is though, it wasn't just the CFP. The AP and Coaches - basically the everyone - moved Ohio State past TCU, they moved Baylor past them too so it wasn't some big CFP conspiracy against TCU or for Ohio State.

It was the whole human universe and it involved multiple teams. TCU wiped out a nobody, Baylor decisively beat the #9 team, Ohio State wiped out the #12 team. Nothing unusual about the moves at all.

TCU fans can simmer about this until the end of time, but to most of the world, what the CFP did was normal and reasonable under the circumstances.

LSU fell 1 spot, not 3 and not at all in the AP or Coaches polls.

Clemson fell from #1 to #4 in the AP poll earlier this year despite continuing to win.

TCU fans can't blame the CFP, because the AP and Coaches dropped them too. Was the whole world - CFP committee, all the coaches, all the sportswriters - in one big anti-TCU conspiracy?

And you can't say it was because of Ohio State's brand, because they moved Baylor ahead of TCU as well. All of them did.

Clemson lost votes when they beat UNC 21-20 after a failed 2 pt conversion. They dropped from 55 to 18 first place votes in the AP after that game. And that was 4 games deep, not 12.

The problem for TCU was Baylors schedule got close enough after playing #12 I think Kansas St... Looking at the Anderson Hester computer, which I like because you can see the actual week ranks along with SOS.... the week before the SOS difference was 49-65- or 16 spots. The week after- the SOS difference was 54-62- or only 8 spots. That got close enough to make the h2h matter.... Putting Baylor over TCU.

Baylor then was no match obviously for Ohio St.

(12-03-2019 01:59 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 11:06 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 11:03 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 11:01 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(12-03-2019 10:54 AM)bullet Wrote:  Actually it rarely happens in polls. Teams tend to stay in position unless something unusual happens. You beat a team 61-6, you never fall 3 spots.

It's not really rare. LSU just lost their #1 rank in the CFP despite winning big. Earlier this year, we saw poll positions in the top 5 change based on wins over top teams.

Thing is though, it wasn't just the CFP. The AP and Coaches - basically the everyone - moved Ohio State past TCU, they moved Baylor past them too so it wasn't some big CFP conspiracy against TCU or for Ohio State.

It was the whole human universe and it involved multiple teams. TCU wiped out a nobody, Baylor decisively beat the #9 team, Ohio State wiped out the #12 team. Nothing unusual about the moves at all.

TCU fans can simmer about this until the end of time, but to most of the world, what the CFP did was normal and reasonable under the circumstances.

LSU fell 1 spot, not 3 and not at all in the AP or Coaches polls.

Clemson fell from #1 to #4 in the AP poll earlier this year despite continuing to win.

TCU fans can't blame the CFP, because the AP and Coaches dropped them too. Was the whole world - CFP committee, all the coaches, all the sportswriters - in one big anti-TCU conspiracy?

And you can't say it was because of Ohio State's brand, because they moved Baylor ahead of TCU as well. All of them did.

Clemson lost votes when they beat UNC 21-20 after a failed 2 pt conversion. They dropped from 55 to 18 first place votes in the AP after that game. And that was 4 games deep, not 12.

Everybody dropped TCU. The CFP, the AP, the Coaches.