(12-04-2019 08:24 AM)450bench Wrote:  Baugh has shown he's a very capable slasher and fantastic free throw shooter, which is obviously important. However, his passing/decision making when distributing the ball is atrocious. He's been a turnover machine, which is extremely frustrating to watch.
He'll certainly improve but damn...

This

Fouls too much now as well. However, I think he will be a special player in time when the game slows down for him.

(12-04-2019 08:34 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 08:24 AM)450bench Wrote:  Baugh has shown he's a very capable slasher and fantastic free throw shooter, which is obviously important. However, his passing/decision making when distributing the ball is atrocious. He's been a turnover machine, which is extremely frustrating to watch.
He'll certainly improve but damn...

This

Fouls too much now as well. However, I think he will be a special player in time when the game slows down for him.

At this point they are both a product of youth and frustration. The first few games no teams had any tape on him and he was able to get where he wanted just like high school. A few games in and teams have had tape to scout his tendencies. They are taking away what he wants to do and he is just in the process of figuring out this not high school and he will have to adjust his game. The good news is he undoubtedly has the skill set to do it, he just needs time to figure it out. Last night he was clearly very frustrated by not being able to get to his spots and started trying to force everything and then when that failed he got more frustrated and started committing silly fouls. He will figure it out but it is going to take some time.

(12-04-2019 09:38 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 08:34 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 08:24 AM)450bench Wrote:  Baugh has shown he's a very capable slasher and fantastic free throw shooter, which is obviously important. However, his passing/decision making when distributing the ball is atrocious. He's been a turnover machine, which is extremely frustrating to watch.
He'll certainly improve but damn...

This

Fouls too much now as well. However, I think he will be a special player in time when the game slows down for him.

At this point they are both a product of youth and frustration. The first few games no teams had any tape on him and he was able to get where he wanted just like high school. A few games in and teams have had tape to scout his tendencies. They are taking away what he wants to do and he is just in the process of figuring out this not high school and he will have to adjust his game. The good news is he undoubtedly has the skill set to do it, he just needs time to figure it out. Last night he was clearly very frustrated by not being able to get to his spots and started trying to force everything and then when that failed he got more frustrated and started committing silly fouls. He will figure it out but it is going to take some time.

Not sure if defense or tape review strategy has anything to do with his judgement when distributing the ball but ok. Obviously, he's young. To me that's his biggest hindrance. Just make better decisions with the ball in your hand, which will come with experience.

Agree ALo is the better player but for this years team gotta stick with Baugh as the starter. If we are going to make it to the Elite 8 at some point we will have to face teams with 6'4"+ backcourts with quickness and shooting. ALo will just be physically outmatched against those guys.

I know zip about basketball, but Alo looked like a big-time point guard to me.

(12-04-2019 09:48 AM)tkgrrett Wrote:  for this years team gotta stick with Baugh as the starter. If we are going to make it to the Elite 8 at some point we will have to face teams with 6'4"+ backcourts with quickness and shooting. ALo will just be physically outmatched against those guys.

Totally disagree...

(12-04-2019 09:57 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 09:48 AM)tkgrrett Wrote:  for this years team gotta stick with Baugh as the starter. If we are going to make it to the Elite 8 at some point we will have to face teams with 6'4"+ backcourts with quickness and shooting. ALo will just be physically outmatched against those guys.

Totally disagree...

Understood. I go back and forth myself.. I gotta admit Baugh has looked awful

(12-04-2019 10:01 AM)tkgrrett Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 09:57 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 09:48 AM)tkgrrett Wrote:  for this years team gotta stick with Baugh as the starter. If we are going to make it to the Elite 8 at some point we will have to face teams with 6'4"+ backcourts with quickness and shooting. ALo will just be physically outmatched against those guys.

Totally disagree...

Understood. I go back and forth myself.. I gotta admit Baugh has looked awful

I hear ya. IMO, Lomax is very physical for a 5-11 or 6-0 guy. He’s strong and I think uses that strength to overcome his height if that makes sense.

There's certainly nothing wrong with forcing our opponents to scout more than one point guard.

For now I would rather see him come off the bench and likely finish the game if it's close. Close games fit what seems to be his style of pace better IMO.

(12-04-2019 09:41 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 09:38 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 08:34 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 08:24 AM)450bench Wrote:  Baugh has shown he's a very capable slasher and fantastic free throw shooter, which is obviously important. However, his passing/decision making when distributing the ball is atrocious. He's been a turnover machine, which is extremely frustrating to watch.
He'll certainly improve but damn...

This

Fouls too much now as well. However, I think he will be a special player in time when the game slows down for him.

At this point they are both a product of youth and frustration. The first few games no teams had any tape on him and he was able to get where he wanted just like high school. A few games in and teams have had tape to scout his tendencies. They are taking away what he wants to do and he is just in the process of figuring out this not high school and he will have to adjust his game. The good news is he undoubtedly has the skill set to do it, he just needs time to figure it out. Last night he was clearly very frustrated by not being able to get to his spots and started trying to force everything and then when that failed he got more frustrated and started committing silly fouls. He will figure it out but it is going to take some time.

Not sure if defense or tape review strategy has anything to do with his judgement when distributing the ball but ok. Obviously, he's young. To me that's his biggest hindrance. Just make better decisions with the ball in your hand, which will come with experience.

Other teams have the tapes on him now to take away what he wants to do and are forcing him into uncomfortable situations and bad decision making, hence the uptick in turnovers. Yes, the defense forcing you into certain parts of the court, taking away certain parts of your game and so on absolutely impacts decision making and judgement when handling and passing the ball...

(12-04-2019 10:59 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 09:41 AM)450bench Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 09:38 AM)SeñorTiger Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 08:34 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  

(12-04-2019 08:24 AM)450bench Wrote:  Baugh has shown he's a very capable slasher and fantastic free throw shooter, which is obviously important. However, his passing/decision making when distributing the ball is atrocious. He's been a turnover machine, which is extremely frustrating to watch.
He'll certainly improve but damn...

This

Fouls too much now as well. However, I think he will be a special player in time when the game slows down for him.

At this point they are both a product of youth and frustration. The first few games no teams had any tape on him and he was able to get where he wanted just like high school. A few games in and teams have had tape to scout his tendencies. They are taking away what he wants to do and he is just in the process of figuring out this not high school and he will have to adjust his game. The good news is he undoubtedly has the skill set to do it, he just needs time to figure it out. Last night he was clearly very frustrated by not being able to get to his spots and started trying to force everything and then when that failed he got more frustrated and started committing silly fouls. He will figure it out but it is going to take some time.

Not sure if defense or tape review strategy has anything to do with his judgement when distributing the ball but ok. Obviously, he's young. To me that's his biggest hindrance. Just make better decisions with the ball in your hand, which will come with experience.

Other teams have the tapes on him now to take away what he wants to do and are forcing him into uncomfortable situations and bad decision making, hence the uptick in turnovers. Yes, the defense forcing you into certain parts of the court, taking away certain parts of your game and so on absolutely impacts decision making and judgement when handling and passing the ball...

Absolutely but the unforced errors are more of what I was referring to

I’m a Lomax fan. A big one. But I wouldn’t make a change. I like how Lomax plays coming off the bench. So does Penny by the way. All Baugh needs is playing time, which leads to confidence. Allow Penny to work with Baugh by looking at video tape and by learning from Penny. Penny knows a thing or two about being a great guard.

Discussions on Lomax being overmatched by 6’4” backcourts is way off the road. Back to former Memphis guards Alvin Wright, Andre Turner, Elliott Perry and most recently Antonio Burks, all under 6’, absolutely no fear or problems in distributing the ball and guarding their opponents. All were 100% in charge of those teams and ran the floor with success and toughness.

No doubt, Baugh is an extremely gifted player and future superstar, but this time last year he was playing high school ball, now competing against 21-22 year old men. Always a period of adjustment at each level when you step up, he is working thru that currently.

Not saying it’s time to make a change at starting PG, that’s up to Penny. To say Alo will struggle against taller competition is plainly incorrect. For proof, may want to take a look at Isaiah Thomas or Tyler Ulis, both 5’9” guards.

count me in.

Baugh did have 8 points in 17 minutes. 4 for 4 from the line. He had 4 rebounds, 3 assists, and 1 block.

Harris turns the ball over quite a bit himself.

Baugh will be fine.

(12-04-2019 05:31 PM)Tigator14 Wrote:  Discussions on Lomax being overmatched by 6’4” backcourts is way off the road. Back to former Memphis guards Alvin Wright, Andre Turner, Elliott Perry and most recently Antonio Burks, all under 6’, absolutely no fear or problems in distributing the ball and guarding their opponents. All were 100% in charge of those teams and ran the floor with success and toughness.

No doubt, Baugh is an extremely gifted player and future superstar, but this time last year he was playing high school ball, now competing against 21-22 year old men. Always a period of adjustment at each level when you step up, he is working thru that currently.

Not saying it’s time to make a change at starting PG, that’s up to Penny. To say Alo will struggle against taller competition is plainly incorrect. For proof, may want to take a look at Isaiah Thomas or Tyler Ulis, both 5’9” guards.

Chris Garner, DWash, the list goes on for us. Alo leaves his feet too much still, and tends to let the game dictate his action(s) rather than the opposite. That said, I would have problem with Alo starting on my team, and frankly, the improvement YOY has been outstanding.

(12-04-2019 05:31 PM)Tigator14 Wrote:  Discussions on Lomax being overmatched by 6’4” backcourts is way off the road. Back to former Memphis guards Alvin Wright, Andre Turner, Elliott Perry and most recently Antonio Burks, all under 6’, absolutely no fear or problems in distributing the ball and guarding their opponents. All were 100% in charge of those teams and ran the floor with success and toughness.

No doubt, Baugh is an extremely gifted player and future superstar, but this time last year he was playing high school ball, now competing against 21-22 year old men. Always a period of adjustment at each level when you step up, he is working thru that currently.

Not saying it’s time to make a change at starting PG, that’s up to Penny. To say Alo will struggle against taller competition is plainly incorrect. For proof, may want to take a look at Isaiah Thomas or Tyler Ulis, both 5’9” guards.

My point isnt that A-Lo will be completely overmatched, its that our ceiling is just higher if we can get our 6' 4" guy with the 6' 7" wingspan going. No doubt A-Lo could hold it down but I have my doubts on whether he can be a starter on a true title contender. Most of the players you mentioned played in an entirely different defensive era when you could be more physical and before elite guards routinely had reliable pull up 3s.

I wouldnt offer Tyler Ulis (a 5 star McD All-American) or IT (a virtuoso scorer from his very first day as a freshman, but terrible defender) as examples - they are clear exceptions with talent levels several cuts above current A-Lo